Was the Law Your Tutor?

[JaumeJ]

Was the law your tutor? Were you brought to the Lord by the law; I mean, did the law point the way to the Lord for you?

If your reply is yes to the above, wonderful. Many people will fault others, such as I, for loving the law declaring the law "was" the tutor or caretaker or guardian, until they come to Jesus, and this is true. It is also true if we know the grace of Jesus we should be very familiar with the law for the law is full of prophecy and wisdom, also, it points to Jesus.

Any who say the law was their tutor, and they have never studied the law, should not cast stones at those who love the law for bringing them to Jesus, Yeshua, for He clarifies the law in brilliant light providign He is seen with the eyes of the heart and understood in the Holy Spirit.

I no longer have fear of the law, for its curse, death, was nailed to the cross with our Salvation, Yeshua. So, like Paul, I obey the law in spirit for the law is spiritual and holy. The difference is, wretch that I am, though I cannot possibly be justified by my own actions, I need no longer fear teh law, for it cannot harm me. I have One Mediator, Yeshua, whom shall I fear, or what?

Do not be afraid of the law, not anymore. If it was your tutor, refer to the teachings from time to time to assure you are not offending.........

 

[Hashe]

Perhaps it might have been IF you were a JEW. Otherwise the law is largely irrelevant for most people.

 

[JaumeJ]

The first assemblies of the nations were taught from the writings of the Torah. Keep in mind, torah means teachings, and they were also taught from the prophets and the writings. Do not say,

"IF you were a JEW," with such emphasis; it smacks of hatred. We are grafted into the original, do not forget that, for any who lord it over the original may also be taken, cut off, and thrown into the fire.

The Good Shepherd declared He had another flock, the gentiles, which He was going to bring together with the origninal flock, the Jews. If you wish to be in the united flock, you would be well served to love the believing Jews., non-believing also for that matter.

Perhaps it might have been IF you were a JEW. Otherwise the law is largely irrelevant for most people.

 

[breno785au]

Conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit brought me to Jesus, is that what your asking?

 

[JaumeJ]

As Paul teaches, the law is spirit, and it is holy.

When the Holy Spirit convicted me, it happened in this way. I realized all mankind's collective edneavor amounts to evil, and it occurred to me suddenly that I form part of mankind, and I am evil. I turned from mankind to God at that moment.

The Holy Spirit entered into me, and all turned to light, and I knew everything was going to be just fine, because in that moment, Yahweh told me it would be.

Now, being convicted that I too form part of mankind, and mankind is evil did not teach me all of the Torah. I have been required to study it in the light of the grace of Yeshua, Jesus. I hope this anwers your question.

I believe it does.

 

[Hashe]

"IF you were a JEW," with such emphasis; it smacks of hatred..

The only thing I hate, is people trying to bring the bondage of being under a law which brings nothing to a relationship with God.
Perhaps your hate is what comes to mind.

 

[p_rehbein]

QUOTE: As Paul teaches, the law is spirit, and it is holy. END QUOTE.......

Just to be clear, are you saying that the Holy Spirit and the Law are one in the same? We know that Jesus is the "Living Word"...........in the beginning was the Word...........etc.

QUOTE: When the Holy Spirit convicted me, it happened in this way. I realized all mankind's collective edneavor amounts to evil, and it occurred to me suddenly that I form part of mankind, and I am evil. I turned from mankind to God at that moment. END QUOTE.......

This statement seems to confirm that it was the Holy Spirit, and not the Law that led you to Christ. And it would contradict the statement from the OP that reads.............

QUOTE: Was the law your tutor? Were you brought to the Lord by the law; I mean, did the law point the way to the Lord for you?
END QUOTE

The only way I can make sense of the two statements is if one assumes that the Law and the Holy Spirit are one in the same..........I do not believe that though........just saying......

I know there are a bunch of people who teach that the Written Word, the Bible is the "Comforter" promised to instruct and teach us................and this aligns closely with what I am reading in your comments...........that being the Law being the "Comforter and Teacher..........Holy Spirit"

Anyway, just wanting clarification here. But, to be completely honest, I do not believe the Law or the Bible are the Holy Spirit.............to accept such an idea, one would have to argue against the Holy Trinity..................just saying..........

 

[nl]

We must not therefore think to set the law aside, but use it lawfully, for the restraint of sin.


Right use of the law should reduce the frequency of sin, crime and lawless deeds.


The purpose of the entire Word of God is love generated from a pure heart, good conscience, sincere faith. God is loving and righteousness. Love is the fulfillment of the law. The law is righteousness. The letter of the law requires only external compliance. The spirit of the law requires a heart of love. Love behaves righteously. The gospel imputes not only legal righteousness and also sanctifies towards actual and practical righteousness.

"He that loveth another hath fulfilled the law" (Romans 13:8). Jesus came not to destroy the law and the Prophets but came that they might be fulfilled (Matthew 5:17). Matthew 22:36-40 declares that the Law and the Prophets are what the Two Great Commandments hang upon. Galatians 5:14 affirms that all the law is fulfilled in one word: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. See also James 2:8: If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well.


But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully. (1 Timothy 1:8)

 

[JaumeJ]

I am quoting Paul, what was he saying?

QUOTE: As Paul teaches, the law is spirit, and it is holy. END QUOTE.......

Just to be clear, are you saying that the Holy Spirit and the Law are one in the same? We know that Jesus is the "Living Word"...........in the beginning was the Word...........etc.

QUOTE: When the Holy Spirit convicted me, it happened in this way. I realized all mankind's collective edneavor amounts to evil, and it occurred to me suddenly that I form part of mankind, and I am evil. I turned from mankind to God at that moment. END QUOTE.......

This statement seems to confirm that it was the Holy Spirit, and not the Law that led you to Christ. And it would contradict the statement from the OP that reads.............

QUOTE: Was the law your tutor? Were you brought to the Lord by the law; I mean, did the law point the way to the Lord for you?
END QUOTE

The only way I can make sense of the two statements is if one assumes that the Law and the Holy Spirit are one in the same..........I do not believe that though........just saying......

I know there are a bunch of people who teach that the Written Word, the Bible is the "Comforter" promised to instruct and teach us................and this aligns closely with what I am reading in your comments...........that being the Law being the "Comforter and Teacher..........Holy Spirit"

Anyway, just wanting clarification here. But, to be completely honest, I do not believe the Law or the Bible are the Holy Spirit.............to accept such an idea, one would have to argue against the Holy Trinity..................just saying..........

 

[p_rehbein]

Well, let us look and see what Paul said.............

[h=1]Galatians
3[/h]
1 .) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 .) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 .) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 .) Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 .) He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 .) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 .) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 .) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 .) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 .) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 .) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 .) And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 .) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 .) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 .) Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 .) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 .) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 .) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 .) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 .) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 .) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 .) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 .) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Maybe we just read this different? See, way I read this, Paul is speaking to the church of the Galatians.........and explaining how the Law was their "school master"..............UNTIL Jesus came.........look at it this way.........

Law.......First Covenant

Grace.....New Covenant

We today are not under the First Covenant.....Law.....so we have no need of a School Master.........in those days, the Law was needed to bring people to the awareness of their sinful lives, and those who continue under the works of the Law are under the curse of the Law, and they shall be judged by the Law..........not by Grace.

The Law...............IS NOT............the Holy Spirit................I hope and pray you do not believe this.

 

[BradC]

The law is holy and set apart from the flesh but the scriptures never make reference that the law is spirit. The law is spiritual because it does not accommodate the flesh and it reveals sin without having the power of the Spirit to transform the soul and spirit of the sinner. The law has no power to transform the life of anyone, only the law of the spirit of life can make us free from the law of sin and death. You desperately want the law to carry a certain kind of holiness and power that when kept can transform the individual who keeps it and that is not the purpose of the law. You can't make the law spiritual to justify yourself by keeping it, for that would be carnal and you would be using the law unlawfully.

The law is only good if you use it lawfully, for the law was not made for a righteous man but for ...

9 ... the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

[MidniteWelder]

Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Just because one may be redeemed from the "curse" of the law.
Does not mean Jesus abolished it.
We can see by his own example that one out of love still abides by it.
We are not saved through works of the law this is true.
But more the opposite frame of mind, away from the flesh thinking...
...It is out of love for God, we do not transgress him by disobedience...
disobedience to what...how did one know sin until we were told.
If one was taught by their earthly father to steal in order to survive one would reason it not to be wrong.
Then to be corrected and out of love for God later be told not to steal, one would then show love for God by no longer engaging in what displeases him.
The law(ten commandments) may not lead one to God.
But once after one is led to God, his laws principals, morals, and will...become important.
It is then love for him which brings obedience.
Our Faith alone may save us, but faith without works is dead, just like the servant who was given one talent then went and buried it only to be scolded by the Master...therefore faith without works is not producing fruit of the spirit.
It is not one or the other, but both go hand in hand and both are expected.
Lastly, Christ did not redeem us on Faith alone and sat back doing nothing without also confronting sin(transgression against God) and voicing his commands of what he expected of us.
Not once did Christ advocate or okay or make excuses for anyone's sin.
If so...somebody please provide such a verse.

 

[p_rehbein]

Again, one verse does not show the entire "teaching..........."

26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 .) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 .) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 .) Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 .) Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 .) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Once people understand which law is being established, things are far easier to understand...........

People have to strive to understand the LAW OF FAITH! (New Covenant) Which has been established with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have not even begun to say the Holy Spirit is the Law, however the Holy Spirit is the truth, and the laws governing good and moral behavior are indeed the truth. Allow me to (again) explain how the written laws may be understood best.

We certainly may not look at the law and pick and choose. We look to Yeshua, Jesus, and He shows us which are to be followed. He is the Lamb of Yahweh for beginners, so which laws do you suppose He has taken care of here?

He teaches us nothing by entering the body will corrupt a person, but that which proceeds from a wicked heart of a man does corrupt; does this teach you anything?

Again, He teaches that He desires mercy and not sacrificed, and not to judge others lest we be judged by that same judgment. He gave mercy where the law required punishment, and this is the most telling and revealing of which laws are to be followed. Y

es, for many transgressions a person is worthy of death, but Yeshua had company on the cross, the curse of the law, and that curse is punishment and death. The law is now completed, fulfilled, but the law will always be as long as the earth and sky are in existence.

Do not come back with having had the law as a tutor or guardian until Messiah, for had you had the law as such, you would know all the above, for the law points to Yeshua, Jesus.

I pray the Holy Spirit in all teaches these truths about our Salvation, Yeshua, amen.

 

[MidniteWelder]

It is boasting which is excluded by the law of Faith.
since we did not save ourselves but are saved by Faith in Christ
V.27
since we are not saved by works lest any shall boast.
I agree that the law when first given was a leading up to something before Christ came.
leading up to the fact that we cannot accomplish what is expected of us on our own merits.
and must rely upon and call upon God who makes what is impossible with man alone... possible with him.
Although we should not exclude that there is still obedience expected of us once we have been given that gift of Faith.

 

[homwardbound]

I have not even begun to say the Holy Spirit is the Law, however the Holy Spirit is the truth, and the laws governing good and moral behavior are indeed the truth. Allow me to (again) explain how the written laws may be understood best.

We certainly may not look at the law and pick and choose. We look to Yeshua, Jesus, and He shows us which are to be followed. He is the Lamb of Yahweh for beginners, so which laws do you suppose He has taken care of here?

He teaches us nothing by entering the body will corrupt a person, but that which proceeds from a wicked heart of a man does corrupt; does this teach you anything?

Again, He teaches that He desires mercy and not sacrificed, and not to judge others lest we be judged by that same judgment. He gave mercy where the law required punishment, and this is the most telling and revealing of which laws are to be followed. Y

es, for many transgressions a person is worthy of death, but Yeshua had company on the cross, the curse of the law, and that curse is punishment and death. The law is now completed, fulfilled, but the law will always be as long as the earth and sky are in existence.

Do not come back with having had the law as a tutor or guardian until Messiah, for had you had the law as such, you would know all the above, for the law points to Yeshua, Jesus.

I pray the Holy Spirit in all teaches these truths about our Salvation, Yeshua, amen.

Jack and all, I thank you for by your convicted belief you are one with God and it is done for all the law and prophets are of God's love to all, and Christ showed this to us all by Faith, giving no credit to the self ever, and by the cross made us perfect in Father's sight to get new life in Spirit and truth, and we ask for this new life and receive it and just be one in Father, Son and Holy Spirit of truth
Thank you much you all. Love is the Answer, for God is Love, attached is Mercy, Christ the Son, attached to this is our guide the Holy Spirit of truth that never speaks of himself or of us, only Christ and Father as one for us to be one with them.
When you see this one, there is no conflict in ones ways is there?

 

[homwardbound]

It is boasting which is excluded by the law of Faith.
since we did not save ourselves but are saved by Faith in Christ
V.27
since we are not saved by works lest any shall boast.
I agree that the law when first given was a leading up to something before Christ came.
leading up to the fact that we cannot accomplish what is expected of us on our own merits.
and must rely upon and call upon God who makes what is impossible with man alone... possible with him.
Although we should not exclude that there is still obedience expected of us once we have been given that gift of Faith.

What about if I am to boast of anything; it is Christ our redeemer, that is past and is always forever our redeemer where we are redeemed unto Father for the new life Christ came to give. one either has got it, or is on their way to seeing through that mirror, that only reflected back, when first born in Spirit and truth by Belief, and could not see through being entangled in the yoke of slavery and bondage, attached to this world and its things, that are only temporal, you think

 

[MidniteWelder]

Agreed Homwardbound
Then if we boast may we boast in the Lord, and the works he has done in us
2 Cor 10
13We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you.

That it is true further still that our Faith in him allowed us to be enlightened to what we once were,
so we could undergo death to the flesh to no longer remain as when we first came to Christ
but by the Holy Spirit be transformed by the renewing of the mind as God's "new creation" .

 

[notuptome]

The law is a tutor. The law teaches that all men are sinners and are not righteous. The law kills it does not and can not give life. The law makes sin personal. The law is essential to demonstrate that all men must be saved and that by grace as opposed to works.

Did the law bring me to Christ? Not really, the law showed me why I need Christ. It clearly taught that I cannot do for myself what only Christ did for me.

The law still teaches that I am not perfected in this flesh but that I must depend upon my Savior everyday for the strength to live a life that glorifies Him. Love the Law? Yes but love grace even more.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[p_rehbein]

I'm just going to post what Paul said.................

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 .) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 .) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 .) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 .) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 .) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.