Was the Law Your Tutor?
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Red Tent, show me according to the scriptures what you believe to be false or inappropriate with the following post.
The law is not of faith (Gal 3:12), yet the just shall live by faith (Rom 5:1) and walk by faith (2 Cor 5:7). The law is not something that we as believers keep by faith, for that would be works according to the law. If any man is not justified by the works or deeds of the law then there is no righteousness in keeping the law. So, to keep the law is not an act of faith and faith is what pleases God. Our obedience is according to faith and is rooted in the finished work of Christ by promise. To keep the works of the law is to live outside of faith and the promises of God. When we abide in Christ by faith, the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, sheds the love of God in our hearts fulfilling the law.
Some of you believe that keeping the law is fulfilling the law. You believe that you are required to do this through obedience to what is commanded by the law. This obedience is not the obedience of faith that we have been called to make known unto all nations (Rom 16:26). We are called to reveal the mystery of the gospel and of Christ and the church (Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19). There is no mystery of the law that we are to keep or make known among the nations of the world. Our communion with the Lord is through His body and His blood by faith and not through the law. We are not required to keep the law to receive mercy and grace from the Lord, mercy and grace is obtained when we approach the throne of God by faith as believer/priests.
The law is not of faith (Gal 3:12), yet the just shall live by faith (Rom 5:1) and walk by faith (2 Cor 5:7). The law is not something that we as believers keep by faith, for that would be works according to the law. If any man is not justified by the works or deeds of the law then there is no righteousness in keeping the law. So, to keep the law is not an act of faith and faith is what pleases God. Our obedience is according to faith and is rooted in the finished work of Christ by promise. To keep the works of the law is to live outside of faith and the promises of God. When we abide in Christ by faith, the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, sheds the love of God in our hearts fulfilling the law.
Some of you believe that keeping the law is fulfilling the law. You believe that you are required to do this through obedience to what is commanded by the law. This obedience is not the obedience of faith that we have been called to make known unto all nations (Rom 16:26). We are called to reveal the mystery of the gospel and of Christ and the church (Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19). There is no mystery of the law that we are to keep or make known among the nations of the world. Our communion with the Lord is through His body and His blood by faith and not through the law. We are not required to keep the law to receive mercy and grace from the Lord, mercy and grace is obtained when we approach the throne of God by faith as believer/priests.
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This is a beautiful testimony of the grace of God being worked into the heart of the believer through the Spirit and the faithfulness of God all through faith. Many on this thread do not understand about the heart and how much grace we need to overcome certain areas in our life. Those who boast in keeping the law, and there are many, have the same heart and have many problems they believe they can overcome by keeping the law. They are being fooled by the enemy. I can live a moral life as an unbeliever and have no spirituality. I can live and keep all the commandments and not have eternal life because I lack wisdom and understanding through the Spirit. Those that want to keep the law, keep the law and those who want to live by faith and be justified in God's said, let them have grace and live.
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Grandpa that was very well said and I agree 1,000%. I meant the Corinthians and Galatians and Philippians and Romans and Thessalonians and so on. Knew nothing of law and were not compelled to keep law, they were only compelled by the Holy Spirit to keep Gods moral judgement. Which a lot of it is in the law. But, God's morality is higher than law. For instance, murder is against the law, but Jesus said if we look at a man with malice in our hearts we have already committed murder even though we have not acted it out in the flesh. Just the thought condemns us. That's why we need the cross so badly and churches no longer preach it. They say go to a psychologist cause we can't help you unless you need a bottle of water.
I believe that you are completely hornswoggled!! God used the entire experience of the Hebrews being freed from slavery to illustrate for us how it works. You aren't listening. Remember it was the blood of the lamb on the doorposts that showed death to pass over that house? In the same way the blood of Christ causes death to pass over our house. Did they have to obey the law for that to happen? No. Neither do we. It allowed them to live and be free from the bondage, as we are freed by the blood of the bondage of sin. No law is mentioned or thought about. Now they are taught a new way to live, not by law (do this or I'll get you good) but by instructions. They were told to obey these and you will receive blessings from the Lord. All your teachings is against this part of what God teaches us through the illustration for us that He used the Hebrew for.
When Paul wrote these things to try to make it all clearer to us, he had no idea that the modern mind would twist what he says to be instructions to us to not listen to law. Paul was interested in making former idol worshippers accept the blood of Christ and people not familiar with the blood of Christ and Christ as high priest to accept Christ. Christ was new to them, Christ is not new to us. The Torah that they knew so well was all they knew.
When Paul wrote these things to try to make it all clearer to us, he had no idea that the modern mind would twist what he says to be instructions to us to not listen to law. Paul was interested in making former idol worshippers accept the blood of Christ and people not familiar with the blood of Christ and Christ as high priest to accept Christ. Christ was new to them, Christ is not new to us. The Torah that they knew so well was all they knew.
…43Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45"It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.…John6:44
It was the Holy Spirit, praise God
It was the Holy Spirit, praise God
K
Then brother come on up to the cross. By faith in the cross the Holy Spirit will help you, but if you continue in faith in the law you will continue to fail. It is not by might nor by power but by my Spirit saith the lord. The only way for the Spirit to act on your behalf is faith in the cross and not law.
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That's an oxymoron. You cannot live by faith and keep the law. You better go back and read what Paul had to say to the Galatians, that was pointed out earlier.
Why do you law/sabbath keepers have to keep telling us how much you love the law? Why the insecurity? Can it be because you are on shaky ground and having that pointed out to you makes you worry?
Why do you law/sabbath keepers have to keep telling us how much you love the law? Why the insecurity? Can it be because you are on shaky ground and having that pointed out to you makes you worry?
Paul was addressing those who were using the law to be justified and improve their standing before God. If your opinion is that you cannot live by faith AND keep the Law, why did Paul do both? Why did Jesus?
And where did I say I how much I love the Law? Be specific Phil, I don't take kindly to false accusations. And they're not becoming of you.
And where did I say I how much I love the Law? Be specific Phil, I don't take kindly to false accusations. And they're not becoming of you.
3Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man
against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Proverbs 1:8 (KJV)
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Proverbs 4:6 (KJV)
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
Proverbs 4:2 (KJV)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Proverbs 6:20 (KJV)
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Psalms 89:30 (KJV)
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
Psalms 27:10 (KJV)
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.
Psalms 119:53 (KJV)
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.
Proverbs 28:4 (KJV)
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Job 20:13 (KJV)
Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth:
4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man
against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Proverbs 1:8 (KJV)
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Proverbs 4:6 (KJV)
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
Proverbs 4:2 (KJV)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Proverbs 6:20 (KJV)
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Psalms 89:30 (KJV)
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
Psalms 27:10 (KJV)
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.
Psalms 119:53 (KJV)
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.
Proverbs 28:4 (KJV)
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Job 20:13 (KJV)
Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth:
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By saying we may not love the law, and slamming those who do over and over saying we may not believe in that part of scripture, you are creating a world open to demons to take over. They love all that talk. Anything against the word that God gives us.
Demons have now established covens in almost every town in America, this is helping. The law teaches us how to avoid sin, and demons live by the acceptance of sin in humans. Try repeating the ten commandments to a demon possessed individual, then you better stand back, just as repeating the ten commandments to one of these against loving law people would react to those words of scripture.
Demons have now established covens in almost every town in America, this is helping. The law teaches us how to avoid sin, and demons live by the acceptance of sin in humans. Try repeating the ten commandments to a demon possessed individual, then you better stand back, just as repeating the ten commandments to one of these against loving law people would react to those words of scripture.
Yes, it is. Or have you not learned that?
No matter what you do, or how "good" you think you are, you will die along with the person you may think is the scum of the earth.
He does tell you, but mankind is not listening. I don't care who you are, we as mankind share that common knowledge that we are going to die. Thus our goals should be to collectively find life, but we work for paychecks to fulfill our own individual lusts.
No matter what you do, or how "good" you think you are, you will die along with the person you may think is the scum of the earth.
He does tell you, but mankind is not listening. I don't care who you are, we as mankind share that common knowledge that we are going to die. Thus our goals should be to collectively find life, but we work for paychecks to fulfill our own individual lusts.
That is why we are told to first seek the kingdom. It is there that everlasting life is found. As it is now, we work to survive, pay bills, acquire what we want for ourselves or our children in an attempt if possible to gain the whole world by this process, only to go to the grave.
Where's the profit in that?
Where's the profit in that?