We are not under the law
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Deut25:19 So when the Lord your God gives you relief from all the enemies who surround you in the land he[SUP] [/SUP]is giving you as an inheritance,[SUP] [/SUP]you must wipe out the memory of the Amalekites from under heaven – do not forget!
I mean, the poster specifically referenced the 613 mitzvoth, which I assume he means the one promulgated by Rambam since that's where the 613 number originates. So I just assume he includes all of Rambam's list.
Heh, you were the one that brought up the 613 mitzvoth, not me. That number comes from a specific list mentioned in the Talmud and promulgated by Rambam.
Makkoth 23b:R. Simlai when preaching said: Six hundred and thirteen precepts were communicated to Moses,three hundred and sixty-five negative precepts, corresponding to the number of solar days [in the year], and two hundred and forty-eight positive precepts, corresponding to the number of the members
of man's body.
Maybe you "reveal the fact" that you don't know what you're talking about and are just repeating some things you heard from someone else? Thanks for playing.
Makkoth 23b:R. Simlai when preaching said: Six hundred and thirteen precepts were communicated to Moses,three hundred and sixty-five negative precepts, corresponding to the number of solar days [in the year], and two hundred and forty-eight positive precepts, corresponding to the number of the members
of man's body.
Maybe you "reveal the fact" that you don't know what you're talking about and are just repeating some things you heard from someone else? Thanks for playing.
V
The 613 commandments of the Old Testament can be found simply by reading what is written, too, which undoubtedly escaped your notice. I also have noticed, in discussing with others in the past, that those who call them the mitzvoth typically consider them more human tradition than the Law of Moses as dictated by God.
That means, by your use of the term, you're not here to discuss the validity of the Law and how Christ fulfilled it, nor are you here to discuss the fact that He summed up the Law with His "love God ... love others" interpretation, upon which He said the Law itself hangs.
So why are you here, Jimmie? You just another stuff-stirrer like so many others?
That means, by your use of the term, you're not here to discuss the validity of the Law and how Christ fulfilled it, nor are you here to discuss the fact that He summed up the Law with His "love God ... love others" interpretation, upon which He said the Law itself hangs.
So why are you here, Jimmie? You just another stuff-stirrer like so many others?
I presume this means you have personally gone through the Pentateuch and counted exactly 613 commands?
Wow, what a leap. Surely you can see the flaw here.
I really don't care what label you give them (law, torah, mitzvoth, commands, orders...); I was using a common label for the designation of these 613 specific ones. Call them what you want, I don't really care.
How does it feel to be this wrong about me and my motives?
So before you even ask what my position may or may not be, you're going to start assigning me to a preexisting category? You didn't even bother to ask me what I thought; you just assumed some things without much warrant.
How is this relevant? You aren't able to defend your previous claim about the 613 "mitzvoth/laws/commands/instructions/rules/directives/injunctions/....."; my motives for being here are irrelevant to this.
You were the "stuff-stirrer." I was commenting on something you said. If you can't defend it, just admit it or ignore it, but don't try to toss out red herrings in hopes that you can redirect the discussion. It's bad form.
K
Acts 15 does not do away with God's moral laws that are contained within the 10 commandments, but it also shows not all 613 Mosaic laws apply to us. Walking in love for God and for others which are the 2 main commandments given by the Lord does not uphold all 613 Mosaic laws because they do not all apply to us.
Walking in love fulfills God's moral laws of not wanting to do wrong in own life and toward others, this does not mean we still uphold all of it as the punishments were done away with, sacrifices were done away, and so on.
Walking in love fulfills God's moral laws of not wanting to do wrong in own life and toward others, this does not mean we still uphold all of it as the punishments were done away with, sacrifices were done away, and so on.
then why start a new covenant. god would have left everything in place. you seem to think forgiveness is your gift, to mankind.
Isaiah 49: The Servant of the LORD
he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
and
God's Steadfast Love and Compassion
18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
and passing over transgression
for the remnant of his inheritance?
He does not retain his anger forever,
because he delights in steadfast love.Micah 7
Isaiah 49: The Servant of the LORD
he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
and
God's Steadfast Love and Compassion
18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
and passing over transgression
for the remnant of his inheritance?
He does not retain his anger forever,
because he delights in steadfast love.Micah 7