We are not under the law
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Well then, please enlighten us. The verse says...
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
And what are the necessary things?
Act 15:29 (1)That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and (2)from blood, and from (3)things strangled, and (4)from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
So explain to me what else is required? Verse 28 says that the HOLY SPIRIT inspired NO GREATER BURDEN than these four things.
Please explain.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
And what are the necessary things?
Act 15:29 (1)That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and (2)from blood, and from (3)things strangled, and (4)from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
So explain to me what else is required? Verse 28 says that the HOLY SPIRIT inspired NO GREATER BURDEN than these four things.
Please explain.
B
James 4 is one of the most unusual chapters in the entire NT and I would say that there are very few believers and teachers who understand the premise for this chapter. What do some of you say about (v.11,12)? What kind of adulterer and adulteresses in (v.4) is being addressed? Was the 7th commandment speaking about this kind of adultery or another kind? Are any of us a friend of the world or of the things that are in the world through the lust of the flesh, the eyes or the pride of life? Perhaps, if we would spend time with believers who are Spirit-filled and walk in the light of conviction, we might find out some things about ourselves that we really did not want to know. Perhaps that is what boasting of tomorrow might be referring to and if it is, then we know that it is evil and we will be found out and when we do find out and realize the good that we should be doing and do it not, well that would be sin on our part. Now what commandment would we be breaking when we are found out by our own sin, especially that sin of ignorance or of omission?
Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Doesn't seem difficult too me...
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
When you speak ill of or evil of a brother, you are violating the sixth Commandment.
Now as for verse 4...
Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Doesn't seem difficult too me...
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
When you speak ill of or evil of a brother, you are violating the sixth Commandment.
Now as for verse 4...
Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
all you have wrote is speculation. even when i gave date and time to facts.
acts 15 dont say law for all. and how would 70 ad say law for all.
again no context
because one would not ask law for all, when law saved no one. in these covenants. it however did say the believer, believe in jesus. christ.
two covenants one for jewish, and one for gentile. yet you skip over ,what i already said.
acts 15 dont say law for all. and how would 70 ad say law for all.
again no context
because one would not ask law for all, when law saved no one. in these covenants. it however did say the believer, believe in jesus. christ.
two covenants one for jewish, and one for gentile. yet you skip over ,what i already said.
god plan, would be to save the rest of the world, and this would include jewish people also.
6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49
looks like god has his plan in place.
good old 70 ad would ask how can a non christian jewish person follow the full law. (although you would know this )
they were given the christian jews a new covenant too. (about 32ad pentecoste.acts 2)
9 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Romans 3
so what your point
6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49
looks like god has his plan in place.
good old 70 ad would ask how can a non christian jewish person follow the full law. (although you would know this )
they were given the christian jews a new covenant too. (about 32ad pentecoste.acts 2)
9 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Romans 3
so what your point
Utah said: Even if this thread reached 100 pages I believe this would still stand out to me as the best post.
Yes, but key word being "if." And "if we don't?" What then?
John 14:10 .) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 .) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 .) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 .) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 .) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 .) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 .) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 .) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 .) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
11 .) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 .) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 .) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 .) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 .) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 .) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 .) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 .) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Looks like we need a new definition of "we".
It looks like quite a few are still under the law.
I'm part of the "we" that isn't under the law but under Grace. The part of the "we" that is perfected by the Lord Jesus and not my own works.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Who are those that labour and are heavy laden?? That's YOU who are working at the law attempting to "keep" it by your own strength and will.
The rest "we" are given by Christ has caused us to no longer labour at our own work at the 10 commandments. We rest in His Work by faith and this is what actually keeps His Commandments.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
It looks like quite a few are still under the law.
I'm part of the "we" that isn't under the law but under Grace. The part of the "we" that is perfected by the Lord Jesus and not my own works.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Who are those that labour and are heavy laden?? That's YOU who are working at the law attempting to "keep" it by your own strength and will.
The rest "we" are given by Christ has caused us to no longer labour at our own work at the 10 commandments. We rest in His Work by faith and this is what actually keeps His Commandments.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Utah said: Even if this thread reached 100 pages I believe this would still stand out to me as the best post.
Yes, but key word being "if." And "if we don't?" What then?
I often pray that God will open the hearts of people who do not know Jesus Christ, so that they may get to know Him, believe in Him and rejoice in their new found salvation in Him. There is no greater gift that can be requested than for God to grant someone salvation in Jesus Christ.
Funny thing is, more often than not I ask this for people I don't like rather than people that I do. In fact, yesterday a complete stranger yelled at me and sadly I responded by telling him to go "make love" to himself. Though he was a stranger it was easy to see by his wardrobe that he is not Christian, so when I arrived home I prayed for his salvation.
I believe this is the greatest act of love I can share with anyone. Also, asking this of God helps humble me, and I definitely need help with that.
Now if we don't love like we should? Matthew 25, sheep and goats comes to mind.
Just FYI:
1 John 4:19 .) We love him, because he first loved us.
20 .) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 .) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 4:19 .) We love him, because he first loved us.
20 .) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 .) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
And this FYI:
James 2:8 .) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 .) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 .) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:8 .) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 .) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 .) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
V
Nothing, other than believers should. There are a couple possible circumstances regarding why people don't appear to act on Jesus' two greatest commandments, but only one outcome, in my opinion, results for the believer.
The circumstances are that:
The circumstances are that:
- One is not motivated to love, due to being distracted by life's problems
- Not everyone who claims to belong to Christ actually belong to Christ, and not only delude others, but themselves as well
The outcome for the believer who does not love is still redemption and eternal life. The one who claims Christ but never loves is not a Christian at all.
Brother, consider these two passages of Scripture and tell me how they agree with your statement?
Luke 6:32) For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them…………35) But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
John 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 .) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
If a Christian disobeys His commandments here........are you saying that person will STILL be a child of the Highest and shall all men know him to be a disciple of Christ?
Brother, consider these two passages of Scripture and tell me how they agree with your statement?
Luke 6:32) For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them…………35) But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
John 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 .) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
If a Christian disobeys His commandments here........are you saying that person will STILL be a child of the Highest and shall all men know him to be a disciple of Christ?