WHAT ARE WE MISSING???

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Here on CC as well as in the body outside of CC I have seen many people try to use scripture to disprove scripture,
I.E. 1 John says this about keeping the commandments,
well, Paul says in Romans about the law being done away with,

Now there are those who just flat out twist scripture to fit there choice of belief. I have had some tell me flat out that they choose to believe what there denomination teaches. I asked "even though the Bible says different?
And they say yes.

We will not get away with that.

Now there are those who are truly seeking to follow YAH in all His ways, but see scripture saying one thing on a subject and then saying something else on the same subject. At least that is how it's looking to them.

The Holy Scriptures are the infallable written Word of YAH. There is no error in it as far as what it all means. I understand that there are some words in the greek and hebrew that don't properly transfer to the english.

My point in all this, if we are getting two different signals, then it is us who is missing something.
This is why scripture says to study to show yourself approved unto YAH.

Also alot of the times, the confusion is cleared up when studying the verses all around the verse that may be confusing.
But as the body, we should NEVER try to use scripture against scripture, remember you're messing with YAH's word. And His word is perfect, Holy and Righteous, we are not.

James 1:5-8

[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; [SUP]8 [/SUP]he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Psalm 119:130
The entrance of Your Word give light, it gives understanding to the simple

 

[justamazed]

....... Love. That's what's missing! Prophesies WILL fail. Knowledge WILL cease. But if I have not love....

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

....... Love. That's what's missing! Prophesies WILL fail. Knowledge WILL cease. But if I have not love....

Although this is all wonderful and true. But this has nothing to do with the thread.

 

[Nancyer]

But as the body, we should NEVER try to use scripture against scripture, remember you're messing with YAH's word. And His word is perfect, Holy and Righteous, we are not.

James 1:5-8

[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; [SUP]8 [/SUP]he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Psalm 119:130
The entrance of Your Word give light, it gives understanding to the simple

I agree completely, the Bible is the Word of God, period. But are there not things in the Bible that we pretty much ignore today? (Christians and non-Christians alike) Like wearing certain fabrics with other fabrics, a brother marrying his sister-in-law in the event of her husband's passing; I know I'm just pulling examples out of the air but to what extent are these to be followed still today? What do we look to when translating scripture from 2 digit dates to 2013? I'm not arguing or trying to nit-pick, because I do believe the Bible to be God's Word, but some clarification would be nice. Thank you and God Bless.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

I agree completely, the Bible is the Word of God, period. But are there not things in the Bible that we pretty much ignore today? (Christians and non-Christians alike) Like wearing certain fabrics with other fabrics, a brother marrying his sister-in-law in the event of her husband's passing; I know I'm just pulling examples out of the air but to what extent are these to be followed still today? What do we look to when translating scripture from 2 digit dates to 2013? I'm not arguing or trying to nit-pick, because I do believe the Bible to be God's Word, but some clarification would be nice. Thank you and God Bless.

As for fabrics, it's not easy to find in America 100%, cotton or whatever. It is easy in other countries.
The sister-in-law thing is you study it out pertains to keeping the name in their tribe going. And still today it could be done. But a culture such as this one thinks it's weird. They would rather just have an affair with each other, than to honor.
To make a correction, this thread is not about what is to be followed. This is getting into those who use scripture against scripture to justify their walk that is contrary to what scripture actually says. Not understanding why one verse says this and another says that. What are we missing. The 2 verses I gave indicates that answer.
Hope this clarified things a little better. YAH bless

 

[justamazed]

Although this is all wonderful and true. But this has nothing to do with the thread.

You asked the question of "What are we missing" as pertaining to how one may view the bible. One man may see it as just a book, another holy and inspired. Of two that may see it holy, one may out of it understand that he can eat pork, the other understands it the opposite. One man seed Jesus as God, another as the son of God , another God the Son, yet still one may see Him is just a prophet or a man; ALL OUT OF THE SAME BOOK.

You asked the question.

I look through the book seeing all men saved, because I know that by what I see, all men die. You may see it otherwise but whether we are right or wrong we both go to the grave. So in this ultimate respect, the true purpose of scripture is not subject to neither my nor your interpretation. It is God who brings about salvation for Himself and not man.

For all we may know, we only know in part. If you knew 99% of the truth. Then that leaves 1% that's a lie. And a little leaven leavens the whole batch! So out must vanish away.

There is no evil for God to save all after death.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I agree completely, the Bible is the Word of God, period. But are there not things in the Bible that we pretty much ignore today? (Christians and non-Christians alike) Like wearing certain fabrics with other fabrics, a brother marrying his sister-in-law in the event of her husband's passing; I know I'm just pulling examples out of the air but to what extent are these to be followed still today? What do we look to when translating scripture from 2 digit dates to 2013? I'm not arguing or trying to nit-pick, because I do believe the Bible to be God's Word, but some clarification would be nice. Thank you and God Bless.

Everything in the Old Testament (OT) is a shadow of the reality, Christ, who supercedes all shadows. Abiding in him is life; returning to OT shadows doesn't bring life.

 

[loveme1]

Hebrews 4

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Something to consider.

 

[loveme1]

Just pondering out loud.

John 5

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there isone that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Blain]

Here on CC as well as in the body outside of CC I have seen many people try to use scripture to disprove scripture,
I.E. 1 John says this about keeping the commandments,
well, Paul says in Romans about the law being done away with,

Now there are those who just flat out twist scripture to fit there choice of belief. I have had some tell me flat out that they choose to believe what there denomination teaches. I asked "even though the Bible says different?
And they say yes.

We will not get away with that.

Now there are those who are truly seeking to follow YAH in all His ways, but see scripture saying one thing on a subject and then saying something else on the same subject. At least that is how it's looking to them.

The Holy Scriptures are the infallable written Word of YAH. There is no error in it as far as what it all means. I understand that there are some words in the greek and hebrew that don't properly transfer to the english.

My point in all this, if we are getting two different signals, then it is us who is missing something.
This is why scripture says to study to show yourself approved unto YAH.

Also alot of the times, the confusion is cleared up when studying the verses all around the verse that may be confusing.
But as the body, we should NEVER try to use scripture against scripture, remember you're messing with YAH's word. And His word is perfect, Holy and Righteous, we are not.

James 1:5-8

[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; [SUP]8 [/SUP]he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Psalm 119:130
The entrance of Your Word give light, it gives understanding to the simple

If there is no love when using scripture, then it is a weapon. Were you speaking of me when you said ppl see something in scripture when it clearly says something else? Because i admit i sometimes see scripture differently than others. I do not have a lot of wisdom, insight or understanding. But the love of god is something I do have, not on my own merit but because god showed me the way. I feel your pain my friend, there is a constant spiritual war here in cc. not us christians against christian's persay but a war between god and the devil. We are the chess pieces

 

[loveme1]

If there is no love when using scripture, then it is a weapon. Were you speaking of me when you said ppl see something in scripture when it clearly says something else? Because i admit i sometimes see scripture differently than others. I do not have a lot of wisdom, insight or understanding. But the love of god is something I do have, not on my own merit but because god showed me the way. I feel your pain my friend, there is a constant spiritual war here in cc. not us christians against christian's persay but a war between god and the devil. We are the chess pieces

Continue seeking Him with your heart my friend.

 

[loveme1]

Luke 11

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Revelations 22

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[loveme1]

Looking forward to you sharing what we are missing ANIOHEVTORAH

 

[zone]

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[loveme1]

Galatians 5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

looks a little different with the before and after.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

If there is no love when using scripture, then it is a weapon. Were you speaking of me when you said ppl see something in scripture when it clearly says something else? Because i admit i sometimes see scripture differently than others. I do not have a lot of wisdom, insight or understanding. But the love of god is something I do have, not on my own merit but because god showed me the way. I feel your pain my friend, there is a constant spiritual war here in cc. not us christians against christian's persay but a war between god and the devil. We are the chess pieces

No, I wasn't refering to you. I think you are sincere in your seeking of His truth.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Looking forward to you sharing what we are missing ANIOHEVTORAH

In a nutshell? It's us, believers, leaving YAH's word alone to do the talking. Seeking out what we don't understand. And accepting what we don't know yet. YAH didn't need our help when He directed His chosen what to write. How is it that so many think they can declare something about scripture, especially when it doesn't confirm what they claim?
If more believers let YAH's word do the teaching, instead of trying to put denominational garbage in it, more believers would be in sync and less in contraversy.

 

[Ariel82]

"use scripture to disprove scripture"?

no not a good idea, but often we use Scripture to explain and unveil the purpose of OT scriptures and commandments.

Jesus shows us how the shadows reflect the Truth. How the Tabernacle and its rules were to be a shadow of the REALITY in Heaven.

What are we missing?

I'd rather not gossip about other people and what they do.

Either tell them straight up with a loving rebuke or focus on your own walk. that's what I've always been told.

There is no point in talking about what "those" people are doing wrong.

To me this seems too much like gossip.

if you have issues with me, don't dance around. Just say it, pm.

Same thing applies to anyone else. just pm them about it or call them out when they try to as you say "use scripture against scripture"

It may be you are just misunderstanding them, or it may be that they don't care.

Either way. the solution isn't to make a thread about it.

Its to pray for understanding and clear communications.

I see Satan having fun dividing people and creating a "us" against "them" mentality.

 

[Bookreader]

The OP's point is clearly true.


For example, in another place on this forum we have the Zionist and the anti-Zionist going toe-to-toe, Christian-to-Christian using verses as weapons and interspercing (sp?) the verses of scripture with their own hateful opinions toward each other, and to other non-Christian groups.

There are people who want to use scripture to be unpleasant and be divisive.

The reason is the teaching of man and, I'm sorry to say, the Bible.
The letters of Paul make it clear we are to resist those who misinterpret the gospel and scripture.
So those who are taught this doctrine or that are often taught that any who disagree are wrong and possibly not real Christians.

My own church (though I'm largely distant from it now) has many non-orthodox doctrines and yet many within it insist they refer to the beliefs of the church (their church) as The Truth.
It's like with the establishment of formal non-persecuted Christianity back in the 4th century we have now settled into a "this is my doctrine; it is the Truth; all others do not have the Truth; and these are the verses that I have as weapons to defend these positions and these are the verses I have to attack those who don't agree"

In the early church people discussed things and opinions did change.
A perfect example is the change of heart of James about the gentiles (in the book of the Acts of the Apostles).
A less than perfect example is the teachings of Clement of Alexandria which incorporated much greek philosophy.

So I think the problem is people think they are using the "Armour of God" when they do this type of thing.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Galatians 5



looks a little different with the before and after.

Agreed, so we are missing something then. The word is perfect. But we are not, so we in our finite minds, aren't grasping something either due to lack of knowledge or refusal to accept what's before their eyes.
Hence James 1:5-8 and Psalm 119:130