What can we learn from the life/story of Job?

joaniemarie · Jan 17, 2018

Opinions aside., differences aside., You guys and gals are entitled to stand fast on your ideas of Job and the interpretations you have come to believe. I see no threat here to see Job differently. Job is like us. I believe he probably was not saved when he first began his journey to see God in truth. Just like me when I began looking into the truth about Jesus. I had a lot to learn.

As Job gets into the situations and tribulations in life., he learns to see God in truth and not in and by human reasoning. As the author of these posts said., Job didn't even know there was a devil. Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible and I've come to see Job is a book about the goodness and graciousness of God. I agree with Ellis here that Job was just as stubborn and short sighted in his life as we are and were.

I'm sorry to disagree with some of you but that's what Bible discussion is about. I've been blessed to learn about the love of God in Christ and now instead of the book of Job going counter to that., I can see the book of Job points to God's goodness and mercy and generosity and blessings to us.

joaniemarie · Jan 17, 2018

ruach said:

The Lord gives ., He doesn't take away. The world, the flesh and the devil take away. Job didn't know this. Job's idea of God had yet to be un-learned. You need to read the article I posted because it's in there. Job and his friends said a lot about God that was not true.

ruach · Jan 17, 2018

joaniemarie said:

You need to read the Bible and that says God gives and he takes away.

Job 1:21

[SUP]21 [/SUP]He said,
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
And naked I shall return there.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away.
Blessed be the name of the Lord.”

Are you really going to sit here and tell us your foolish article is more inspired than God's word above?

Do you not understand that the Devil cannot take anything away from you without God saying he can?

Satan is not after you car, home or money, he has plenty of people on his side that drive the very best cars, live in the very best houses and have enough money to do anything. Satan was after one thing from Job:

HIS FAITH!

Satan can only attempt to take FAITH from these kinds of people:

blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.

If Job was really the sinner, self righteous, prideful, lost unsaved mans you say he is and your article falsely accuses him to be, the story would have never made it into the Bible.

Why? those folks do not have faith.

How about you stop reading articles and get into THE word for yourself.

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

ruach said:

For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

Yeshua himself said.
Halleluyah

Lucy-Pevensie · Jan 17, 2018

ruach said:

The verse you quoted looks like this principle played out by Job-

- 1 Thessalonians 5:18 "give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus."

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I know it can be "scary" to look at the traditions of certain interpretations of the Bible and dare to see them in a different light. But I see it's a must be done sort of thing. For reasons already stated., God doesn't send bad things our way., They are part of living on this planet. Bad things come from 3 places. 1. The world 2. The flesh 3. The devil.

Below are some thoughts about Job being saved and if he was saved at the beginning of the book of Job.

“If you’re suffering, you must have done something bad. God must be punishing you.” That must be one of the oldest lies in history. Here’s another. “God is using these hard times to teach you humility.” These lies can be traced back to one of the oldest and most misunderstood stories in the Bible – the story of Job. As I’m sure you know, Job was a man who lost everything. The Book of Job is not mainly about his loss, but how he tried to process his loss with the help of three religious friends.

When I wrote my Job post a year and a half ago I had no idea that so many Christians would get upset by me telling them that God does not take away his good gifts. (To be honest, I wasn’t the first to say that. I stole that revelation from Romans 11:29: “God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.” So if it makes you angry, take it up with the other Paul.) If you missed that post, here’s the short version; God does not give and take away. The only thing He’ll take off you is your sin, shame, and sickness.
I also had no idea that Tom Tompkins was writing a little gem entitled Understanding the Book of Job. In his book, Tompkins places the blame for Job’s woes squarely at the feet of the Devil:

Much of what Job’s friends told him exactly what we hear to today… While Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar did not condemn God, they did accuse and condemn Job. They were wrong to do so as it was not God or Job’s fault that the terrible events had taken place. Let’s not forget that none of these men had a revelation of the Devil. If the name “Satan” had been mentioned to any of them, they probably would have responded with “Who?” (pp.86,95)

“How convenient to blame the Devil,” you may say. “Surely God could have stopped Satan. Surely God set Job up by boasting about him.” Actually neither is true. Read the Job account in a literal translation such as Young’s and you will see that Satan came gunning for him:

And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, “Hast thou set thy heart against My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God, and turning aside from evil?” (Job 1:8, YLT)

Satan had set his heart against Job. “So why didn’t God stop the Devil?” Good question. We might also ask, “Why doesn’t God stop earthquakes or famines or wars?” The answer is, not everything that happens is God’s responsibility. He left the planet in Adam’s control and Adam handed it to the Devil. Satan went for Job because he could. When God said, “All that he has is in thy power” (Job 1:12, see also 2:6), He wasn’t handing Job over to Satan – God doesn’t do deals with the Devil! – He was simply stating a fact. The whole unredeemed “world is under the control of the evil one” (1 Joh 5:19).

You have it better than Job

Job wasn’t saved. He wasn’t filled with the Holy Spirit. He had some understanding of God but he was a fearful and superstitious man filled with self pity and not a little self-righteousness (see Job 32:1).

Don’t ever compare yourself to Job! Jesus didn’t die on the cross to give you Job’s life but His life. It is Christ who lives in you, not Job. As Tompkins explains in his book, God does not inflict death and sickness on us to teach us stuff. God is more than capable of disciplining (i.e., training) us through His Word (2 Tim 3:16).

One of Job’s friends, Eliphaz, reasoned that Job was being afflicted on account of his sins. This same line is often heard today. When things go wrong we pray, “Lord search me and see if there be any wicked way in me.” When there are problems within the church, we hunt for “sin in the camp.” Do you realize how absurd this is? If God really judged us according to our sins, who could stand? If God was in the business of punishing sin in the camp, there wouldn’t be any camp!

Only a man ignorant of Jesus and His work on the cross would say that God punishes us for our sin. Eliphaz was such a man. God said of him, “You have not spoken concerning Me rightly” (Job 42:8). Anyone who says your hardships are God’s punishments is, like Eliphaz, not speaking of God rightly.

Later, Eliphaz suggested that Job would receive the blessings of God if he was worthy of them. Indeed, Job began to think exactly this way. “Look at all I’ve done.” This is equally absurd. God is not beholden to any of us. God blesses us in accordance with the riches of His grace, not the merits of our performance.

Why is Job’s story in the Bible? It is not there so we can look to him as a role model (we have Jesus!) but so that we might learn from his example. Those who don’t learn by example tend to learn by experience and experience is a harsh teacher. For those of you who would rather not learn the hard way, here’s the lesson: It is always Satan’s intention to harm us; it is always God’s intention to bless us. When you confuse the latter with the former, your reality will be defined by a lie making it virtually impossible to receive all that God has for you.

If you relate to God on the basis of obligation and performance, then you will falsely interpret life’s hardships and spiritual attacks as works of God. Instead of submitting in faith to the unconditional love of the Father and resisting the devil, your unbelief will lead you to submit to the devil and resist the One who loves you. It’s a recipe for disaster that is played out a thousand times every day by those who relate to God as Job did – with superstition and fear.

God does not desire your sacrifices

For as long as Job lived in fearful religion, trusting in the sacrifices of his own hands, he was setting himself up for disaster. “Those who cling to idols forfeit the grace that could be theirs.” But when he finally shut up and repented of his stupid theology, he opened the door to the blessings of God. The lesson we take from Job is worth repeating: the Devil is bad but our Father is good and He loves us and desires to bless us. This book will help you see that

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ruach said:

personally,
I don't agree with the article at all.
Yet iyov mentions nakedness. Compared to believers in the Holy One of Yisrael (Christians) who have a Redeemer of strength whom covers those who believe.

Iyov was a generation, noach was a generation, daniyyel was a generation. And even so Yeshua visited a generation.
The very generation that has given each generation onward the Good news till this day.
Believers have an assuring of an abundant life.
I imagine even Enoch did more than offer prayers for his friends.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 17, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Why don't you enlighten us by quoting exactly what was NOT true? The book of Job is grouped among the "Wisdom" books, so to make an accusation like that you should show some evidence. And since most of the posters disagree with what you have been posting, it could be time for you to recognize that your sources are misrepresenting Job and Scripture, and get back to real Bible truth.

Ariel82 · Jan 17, 2018

star said:

I believe that troubles happen to folks trying to do God's will MORE because the enemy wants to discourage us,

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

I will.

Below is a citation from bildad.
Remember satan is a liar, the prince of power of air.
And who was it that stated that iyov's children were dead.
As I have stated before,. I imagine Enoch would offer more than prayer alone for his friends. For their is no greater love......
Yet not one of these aquaintances of iyov offered to find and bury the bodies of the children of iyov did they?
approach scripture with the Holy Spirit whom guides.....

Bildad;
"If your children sinned against Him, He sent them away in the hands of their transgression."

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I have a sincere question for you.
Who in the account of iyov had the Most peculiar response to the supposed death of their children?

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Speak Life.
Bless those who curse you.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 17, 2018

7777pinacled said:

Chapter and verse please, and we will see what the KJB has, since the above is not making sense.

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Does 8:4 of the OJB suffice?
4 If thy banim have sinned against Him, and He have cast them away for their peysha (transgression);

PennEd · Jan 17, 2018

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Yes!! Of all the great takeaways from Job, THIS passage is perhaps the most important.

Job KNEW his redeemer LIVES!! And that he was saved and would see Him in his resurrected form ON THE EARTH!

Nehemiah6 · Jan 17, 2018

7777pinacled said:

In the KJB we have:
If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression... (so an exact match with the OJB)

Is that a true statement or not? We were told that Job and his friends said many untrue things about God. But this is in fact a very true statement and corresponds to Romans 2:8,9;6:23:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile... For the wages of sin is death...

So Bildad did speak the truth when he said IF thy children have sinned, God will indeed cast them away. Death includes the second death, which is eternal Hell. But let's keep in mind the "IF". Only God knows whether Job's children died for their sins.

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

In the KJB we have:
If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression... (so an exact match with the OJB)

Is that a true statement or not? We were told that Job and his friends said many untrue things about God. But this is in fact a very true statement and corresponds to Romans 2:8,9;6:23:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile... For the wages of sin is death...

So Bildad did speak the truth when he said IF thy children have sinned, God will indeed cast them away. Death includes the second death, which is eternal Hell. But let's keep in mind the "IF". Only God knows whether Job's children died for their sins.

It was both untrue and an assertion.

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Lucy-Pevensie said:

You are very blessed.
Thankyou so much for posting this.
You just confirmed something that the Holy Spirit spoke to me.
And was something that I shared with a dear friend.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 17, 2018

7777pinacled said:

Really? So now you wish to turn Scripture on its head? How was it untrue?

7777pinacled · Jan 17, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Be vigilant..
When did iyov ever tell bildad the children were dead?

JB2018 · Jan 17, 2018

We can learn from Job that no matter what we experience in life, we must trust God. We must trust him even when we cannot "trace" or "understand" what he is doing in our life. The bible says that those who trust in God are blessed. I encourage everyone to trust God completely in him with everything. : )

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