What do you need for salvation again?

[ladylynn]

I didn't really finish reading your post, because you seem to think this is about grace. I think we have more than enough posts on grace lately. Not touching that one again. No, again, the subject is salvation. I'm just not interested in your study of grace, because it's about as related to my question as glorification.

Oh dear.. Oh dear! Oh dear! Dear Sister Lynn I must correct you (in love) Grace IS very much about salvation and the key to your question and everyone's questions about God. The love of God is not for sale. We cannot earn it either. We cannot be good enough for it. God gives it freely to those who believe it IS a GIFT that Jesus alone can give through His death on a cross and His resurrection showing us His victory over sin and death and His triumphing over it (for us).

The Bible says if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father. Herein is love., not that we loved God but that He loved us!! And gave us His Son. Salvation is about God loving us so much He GAVE to us His Son to show us. John 3:16.

Jesus did all needed for us to be right with God. Grace is a word that describes that kind of Love. It cannot be earned, it can't be kept by our behavior. It just "IS" all by itself not needing anything from us to exist. It is the description of the love of God for us and later IN us to give to others. When we get a revelation of His love for us, we will begin to understand 'some' about the nature of God and how He relates to us before we got saved AND after.

That is why so many believers here are so passionate about grace because they got a revelation about the love of God and just can't help but talk about it - and write about it - and stand up for it at every opportunity. Quite frankly, the love of God is all we think about because we NEED IT SOOO MUCH EVERY DAY!!!!!!

The world needs to hear about the love of God IN Christ. That is the Gospel. Even believers need to hear about the love of God IN Christ. Actually too, everything we know and have and will be here is based on our belief in the love of God for us personally.

All the while we walk on this earth if we know He loves us., His love will get us through today. And I'm sure if believers never grow in that grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ there will be much regret we didn't trust that He did actually love us that much and we could have had a much richer fuller life had we believed Him.

And He would have if we allowed Him, He would have covered us like He would have Israel as a mother hen covers her chicks but they would not!

Faith in His unending love for us that saves and also keeps us. Grace describes that love. It's FREE to all those who want it. Jesus keeps telling people to COME and drink of the water of life.,it is free to you because it is a gift only God can give.

 

[Johnlove]

Oh dear.. Oh dear! Oh dear! Dear Sister Lynn I must correct you (in love) Grace IS very much about salvation and the key to your question and everyone's questions about God. The love of God is not for sale. We cannot earn it either. We cannot be good enough for it. God gives it freely to those who believe it IS a GIFT that Jesus alone can give through His death on a cross and His resurrection showing us His victory over sin and death and His triumphing over it (for us).

The Bible says if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father. Herein is love., not that we loved God but that He loved us!! And gave us His Son. Salvation is about God loving us so much He GAVE to us His Son to show us. John 3:16.

Jesus did all needed for us to be right with God. Grace is a word that describes that kind of Love. It cannot be earned, it can't be kept by our behavior. It just "IS" all by itself not needing anything from us to exist. It is the description of the love of God for us and later IN us to give to others. When we get a revelation of His love for us, we will begin to understand 'some' about the nature of God and how He relates to us before we got saved AND after.

That is why so many believers here are so passionate about grace because they got a revelation about the love of God and just can't help but talk about it - and write about it - and stand up for it at every opportunity. Quite frankly, the love of God is all we think about because we NEED IT SOOO MUCH EVERY DAY!!!!!!

The world needs to hear about the love of God IN Christ. That is the Gospel. Even believers need to hear about the love of God IN Christ. Actually too, everything we know and have and will be here is based on our belief in the love of God for us personally.

All the while we walk on this earth if we know He loves us., His love will get us through today. And I'm sure if believers never grow in that grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ there will be much regret we didn't trust that He did actually love us that much and we could have had a much richer fuller life had we believed Him.

And He would have if we allowed Him, He would have covered us like He would have Israel as a mother hen covers her chicks but they would not!

Faith in His unending love for us that saves and also keeps us. Grace describes that love. It's FREE to all those who want it. Jesus keeps telling people to COME and drink of the water of life.,it is free to you because it is a gift only God can give.

Yes and Jesus told us just who it is that God loves.
(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

 

[trofimus]

Can't I disagree since it is written "all men will be saved" so it really doesn't matter what one hears or believes since it is the gift of God.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Tim 2:3-5

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:29-32

Try to look at multiple different translations

 

[ggs7]

Paul is not talking about the only way to get saved in Christ. So your question has a simple answer - a mute does not have to speak.
As well as the criminal on the cross did not need to get baptized. At cetera et cetera. God is not stupid.

1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.

 

[Depleted]

Wow, Depleted!

Are we not allowed to say what comes into mind?

You're a harsh taskmaster!!

Capisci??

Fran

Sure, you're perfectly free to say what's on your mind. Start a post. I have been clear all along this is about salvation. I'm truly, utterly, completely, wholly sick and tired of the grace-only folks turning every single thread into their own personal pulpit to preach yet more of their false gospel.

I do have the right to deny JW's and Mormons from choosing my living room to spout their garbage, right? I do realize this site is not my house. But this thread was started by me, so, yes. I really mean it! Do NOT turn this into another sewer cleanout for grace-only post. It's not like this is the only place on this site that you can fill with that junk.

If it continues, I will ask for it to be locked.

 

[Depleted]

Not to say you haven't been entirely sincere when talking of the gift of salvation 1 Tim 2:4, so yeah I see what your getting at now, you already faith seeing 1 Cor 12:8-9 indicates faith is a gift of the Spirit of God, I think James 2:19 says something to that effect. Yet maybe I am just seeking clarification on when those would receive the gift of faith are saved, by believing they are saved or when they receive the gift of faith since people are saved by their faith, and not by works, for it is a gift of God.

Before Christ, we were dead in sin. Dead is dead. Not to be confused with fainted, a little woozy, in different stages of atrophy, or very weak. (And I'd go into the dead parrot routine with Monty Python, but I only know it because hubby likes them. I don't get their humor. ) Dead like Lazarus dead. Did Jesus give Lazerus new life after Lazarus did anything on a list of stuff people think we have to do before he was raised from the dead? Nope. He couldn't, because he was dead. In like kind, so were we. So God raised us from the dead, redeemed us, and gifted us with various gifts, like belief and faith, and then we did what Lazarus did -- got up and walked.

But that part comes after God saves.

Which is why I asked you about the gifts God gave before. You might have been on the same thought I am/was having, or you might have been going elsewhere.

This really was much of a thread with humor used, but I like humor, so use it even when the point behind it is serious. (Just letting you know that, since you probably don't know me well yet.)

 

[Depleted]

It's for them that teach you can lose your salvation or walk away from your salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ah, that's why I never heard it before. I don't hang with the loose-your-salvation crowd. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Depleted]

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

God has provided the measure of faith to every man. We all have the same measure.


Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

When we hear the word of God and we agree with what we hear, our faith is increased by God (1 Cor 3:6). We don't get more faith, but the measure of faith given to us by God is strengthened.

If, on the other hand, we hear the word of God and we suppress/restrain in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), our faith is not increased by God. We don't get less faith, but the measure of faith given to us by God remains weak.

Maybe, but we don't have it when we're dead.

 

[ggs7]

She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

John 11:27

Question is, do you believe her?

Say I did listen to anyone , other than Jesus and the Apostles

What did Mary the blessed mother of Jesus say?

Joh 2:5 His mother said to the servants, Whatever He (Jesus) says to you, do it.

And Martha was correct/saved when she said Jesus was Lord , Christ and the Son of GOD

The question I have for myself is am I calling Jesus LORD of my life and actions?

Matthew 15:8 Christ Jesus said "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.

Isaiah 29:13 And the Lord said, Because this people draw near Me with their mouth, and with their lips honor Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the command of men;

 

[Depleted]

Oi vey! This turned into the sewer cleanout for the grace-only people. Now I find out if the Mods will lock for me.

My apology for all the others who are sick and tired of grace-only crowd taking over. It was about salvation, not grace!

 

[PennEd]

Love you Lynn!!

 

[ladylynn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhRc9oP-l4


This is such a beautiful song that you have to listen to the end at the triumphant ending!! Needs to go on another thread I was reading. About the love of God our Father. Blessings

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Maybe, but we don't have it when we're dead.

If all do not have the measure of faith, then God would be a respecter of persons. And those who have repeatedly suppressed/restrained the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) when they had opportunity to come to faith by hearing (Rom 10:17), would have an excuse at time of judgment.

All have the measure of faith (Rom 12:3). God knew Adam would fall so He ensured that mankind would be able to hear Him when He came a-calling.

 

[Grace777x70]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhRc9oP-l4


This is such a beautiful song that you have to listen to the end at the triumphant ending!! Needs to go on another thread I was reading. About the love of God our Father. Blessings

WOW..that was beautiful!..thanks for sharing!

 

[FranC]

Sure, you're perfectly free to say what's on your mind. Start a post. I have been clear all along this is about salvation. I'm truly, utterly, completely, wholly sick and tired of the grace-only folks turning every single thread into their own personal pulpit to preach yet more of their false gospel.

I do have the right to deny JW's and Mormons from choosing my living room to spout their garbage, right? I do realize this site is not my house. But this thread was started by me, so, yes. I really mean it! Do NOT turn this into another sewer cleanout for grace-only post. It's not like this is the only place on this site that you can fill with that junk.

If it continues, I will ask for it to be locked.

I'm sorry I've upset you so Depleted.
You see, the problem is that if you don't give people the chance to say what they want to say, misunderstandings do arise.
For instance:
You think I'm of the hypergrace movement. That's pretty funny actually. I believe in God's grace but feel it could be taken too far.

I'm new here so I don't know about how all threads are turned into this. You're probably right if you say it. I apologize if you feel that's what I was trying to do. It was not.

As far as starting a post - I truly doubt that will ever happen. And since you have started one, I feel we could speak our mind until the moderator advises we are going too off topic.

I don't feel that grace is off topic, BTW. Grace IS what gets us saved. No? Ephesians, right?
You're asking what one needs for salvation. THIS is what one needs for salvation.
Plus, your title is kind of inviting the hypergracers, I'd say.

Maybe we could help those a bit off to understand the gospel better?
It's worth the effort.

So, yeah, I think you're a bit too possessive with "your" thread, but, to get back to topic:

ALL YOU NEED FOR SALVATION IS JESUS.
Anything you want to add to that is superfluous.
Nothing else is needed.

I won't bring up KEEPING that salvation because it'll irritate you.
Plus, I guess you would say it's a whole different thread.
And sewer clean out and junk?
Wow.


1 John 4:19-20 New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love because he first loved us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.

Peace
Fran

 

[mailmandan]

The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. With flames of fire God will take vengeance on those who do not obey the gospel of His Son. How do YOU obey the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ? I do what the bible says- I join Him in His death so that I can also join Him in His resurrection. (Water baptism) "Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ were baptized into His death? In order that just as He was raised by the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."

This sounds like typical church of Christ indoctrination. Water baptism is the PICTURE but NOT THE REALITY of being buried with Christ and rising to new life. As Greek scholar Daniel Wallace points out - Water baptism is not a cause of salvation, but a picture; and as such it serves both as a public acknowledgment (by those present) and a public confession (by the convert) that one has been Spirit baptized.

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" The gospel is not "water baptized or condemned." You are teaching a "different" gospel. Refusing to obey the gospel (Romans 10:16; 2 Thessalonians 1:8,9) is refusing to believe the gospel.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Oi vey! This turned into the sewer cleanout for the grace-only people. Now I find out if the Mods will lock for me.

My apology for all the others who are sick and tired of grace-only crowd taking over. It was about salvation, not grace!

I love the imagery of this. The incessant regurgitation does get old.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sounds like salvation is all based on grace through faith alone. It does answer the OP question about what is needed for salvation. It is faith in the grace of Christ and what He has already done for us - anything else is a perversion of the gospel.

Ephesians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Looks like we are to fix our hope completely at the grace that comes to us when we get a revelation of Christ and what He has already done for us.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

It looks like we need this "grace" in order to grow up in the Lord.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.


If saying we are saved by grace is a "sewer cleanout"..then I for one love the imagery of cleaning out the garbage that perverts the gospel of the grace of Christ alone for salvation.

 

[ladylynn]

Sure, you're perfectly free to say what's on your mind. Start a post. I have been clear all along this is about salvation. I'm truly, utterly, completely, wholly sick and tired of the grace-only folks turning every single thread into their own personal pulpit to preach yet more of their false gospel.

I do have the right to deny JW's and Mormons from choosing my living room to spout their garbage, right? I do realize this site is not my house. But this thread was started by me, so, yes. I really mean it! Do NOT turn this into another sewer cleanout for grace-only post. It's not like this is the only place on this site that you can fill with that junk.

If it continues, I will ask for it to be locked.

Wow Lynn, that is very nasty talk and very uncalled for in every way. You need to take your temper down a few notches and learn some manners. I won't be adding to your threads until you do.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Not sure whether to encourage nerdrage or not in this instance.

Like, we really can't reduce a walk with God into a simple formula since life isn't static. At some point it gets to be like, "Look! take your doctrine and..."

But then again, what does getting upset accomplish?