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Yes God did love us so much that he died on the cross so we could be forgiven our sins. Then he gave us his Holy Spirit so we could become Children of God. That is truly loving us, and in turn God expect us to love him. To love God one has to keep his Commandments. If we do not keep God’s Commandments he does not even know us.
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”
(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”
(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
Whoever told you that is truly in error. Jesus told us what is needed to come to heaven with him , and God’s written Word tells us who will go to heaven.
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already; the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.”
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already; the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.”
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Yippie, the grace-onlys found yet another post to turn into their own little rant, and apparently CC doesn't care.
Suggestion for those tired of hearing the false gospel preach ignore them until they realize they aren't converting anyone new.
BTW, if you're wondering what a grace-only is. The more common phrase is "Word of Faith."
Suggestion for those tired of hearing the false gospel preach ignore them until they realize they aren't converting anyone new.
BTW, if you're wondering what a grace-only is. The more common phrase is "Word of Faith."
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'Word of Faith'
I thought they were a branch of Pentecostalism and most Pentecostals believe eternal salvation can be lossed by 'leaving God' or 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.. or bad sin.
Then there is the 'doctrines of grace' which is another term for the way Calvinists and Monergists teach how someone is saved without asking for salvation. Pre-destined for salvation.. whether the person chooses to be saved or not.
Then there are those like me who believe in OSAS.. but are not 'Word of Faith'.. are not Calvinists or Monergists.
Oh and I am pretty certain Budman is in NO WAY Word of Faith.
So better to define your terms? (Maybe you already have and I have come in too late)
'Word of Faith'
I thought they were a branch of Pentecostalism and most Pentecostals believe eternal salvation can be lossed by 'leaving God' or 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.. or bad sin.
Then there is the 'doctrines of grace' which is another term for the way Calvinists and Monergists teach how someone is saved without asking for salvation. Pre-destined for salvation.. whether the person chooses to be saved or not.
Then there are those like me who believe in OSAS.. but are not 'Word of Faith'.. are not Calvinists or Monergists.
Oh and I am pretty certain Budman is in NO WAY Word of Faith.
So better to define your terms? (Maybe you already have and I have come in too late)
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Lynn, I'm honestly confused. You asked for a list to be compiled for what people think they need for salvation. People have responded. I'm truly confused as to why you are angry with people saying salvation is by Grace, a free gift of God, through the sacrificial crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And the faith to believe that is ALSO from God.
I don't understand what the problem is. I know myself, and many here, love you, and empathize with ALL you have, and continue to go through. So I'm not sure what YOUR answer is to your question.
Peace, love, and Grace to you.
I don't understand what the problem is. I know myself, and many here, love you, and empathize with ALL you have, and continue to go through. So I'm not sure what YOUR answer is to your question.
Peace, love, and Grace to you.
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And it is as simple as that. And faith is non-meritorious.
All this talk of ," well true faith is a faith that works." or " faith with out works is dead(and an implied meaning of you were not saved or you lost salvation." is catching up.
The majority are attaching merit to their personal faith in Christ rather than putting the merit where it belongs.....On Christ. Which is TRUE faith.
All this talk of ," well true faith is a faith that works." or " faith with out works is dead(and an implied meaning of you were not saved or you lost salvation." is catching up.
The majority are attaching merit to their personal faith in Christ rather than putting the merit where it belongs.....On Christ. Which is TRUE faith.
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pistis (4102) is always a gift of God, never something that can be produced by one own beliefs that originate by a person by is given to the person by God who bestows it.
Faith has substance upon which the hope is founded.
elpis is confidence or expectation that one has in what they believe.
Hope without substance is belief. Belief is which is the measure of faith so therefore hope without substance is a measure of faith but is not faith.
Paul claims to have actually heard the voice of the LORD, being a Jew as he claimed then he obviously had read the written word before he wrote of hearing the voice speaking to him.
And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 26:14
Acts 26:16
But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Since he claims he heard, then hearing the voice of God speaking the is word of God that is the substance of faith that comes by hearing.
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John 6:40 - For My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their accomplishments/works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were never saved. (see John 17:3) Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was really disobedience. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous. The same with ALL who trust in works-righteousness.
Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous (unbelievers) will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
"He who rejects Christ and does not keep His words/refuses His words" is descriptive of unbelievers.
These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their accomplishments/works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were never saved. (see John 17:3) Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was really disobedience. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous. The same with ALL who trust in works-righteousness.
Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous (unbelievers) will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
"He who rejects Christ and does not keep His words/refuses His words" is descriptive of unbelievers.
Lots of good answers given here - lots of good Scriptures given
All of them (the Scriptures) are correct and 100% true!
Some focus on believing, some on confession, or repentance, or baptism, etc. - but to start making a list of requirements misses the point.
The central focus of salvation and the key player is Jesus Christ. But if that is all we say, then it must be that the entire world and all of the people in the world are saved because Jesus died and was resurrected.
But not everyone is saved, so who is saved? That is where the words and ideas being discussed in this thread come in.
All of them (the Scriptures) are correct and 100% true!
Some focus on believing, some on confession, or repentance, or baptism, etc. - but to start making a list of requirements misses the point.
The central focus of salvation and the key player is Jesus Christ. But if that is all we say, then it must be that the entire world and all of the people in the world are saved because Jesus died and was resurrected.
But not everyone is saved, so who is saved? That is where the words and ideas being discussed in this thread come in.
Lots of good answers given here - lots of good Scriptures given
All of them (the Scriptures) are correct and 100% true!
Some focus on believing, some on confession, or repentance, or baptism, etc. - but to start making a list of requirements misses the point.
The central focus of salvation and the key player is Jesus Christ. But if that is all we say, then it must be that the entire world and all of the people in the world are saved because Jesus died and was resurrected.
But not everyone is saved, so who is saved? That is where the words and ideas being discussed in this thread come in.
All of them (the Scriptures) are correct and 100% true!
Some focus on believing, some on confession, or repentance, or baptism, etc. - but to start making a list of requirements misses the point.
The central focus of salvation and the key player is Jesus Christ. But if that is all we say, then it must be that the entire world and all of the people in the world are saved because Jesus died and was resurrected.
But not everyone is saved, so who is saved? That is where the words and ideas being discussed in this thread come in.
I haven't been following along 100%, so I'm not sure you already did...
But what would YOU say is the correct answer?
Fran
True. And I believe God has given to every man the same measure of faith. What do we do with the measure we have been given? Since faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17), what do we do when we hear the Word of God? Do we agree and allow God to bring increase to our hearts? Or do we suppress the truth in unrighteousness?
How is it that the centurion had such great faith that Jesus marvelled at him even to the point of telling His disciples I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel (Luke 7:9)? The centurion was a non-Jew. Where did he get his faith? God gave it to him, of course. He was born with it.
If God gives faith to the believer and does not give faith to the unbeliever, the unbeliever would have an excuse for his/her rejection of the Word of God. When judgment comes, the unbeliever can accuse God of partiality --- of giving the believer something He did not give the unbeliever.
The believers shown in Hebrews 11, had great faith and great hope. Their faith was exhibited in their actions, even though their hope was never attained (they died before the coming of Messiah):
Hebrews 11:13-16 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
We are in the same boat as the OT believers. We desire a better country, that is an heavenly. That is our hope and the foundation of our hope is faith. We have faith in God that He will do as He has promised. That is the foundation upon which we stand firm, without wavering Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised) (Heb 10:23). Our faith rests in the God Who gave faith to us. He Who has promised is faithful to fulfill that which He has promised us.
Paul was a learned man. He was a pharisee. Sat at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3).
And, yes, Paul "heard" when Jesus spoke audibly to him. What Paul experienced in Acts 9 is not the experience of all of us. Most of us "hear" when another believer speaks as they are led. All believers are instructed to speak God's Word. That is not a duty relegated only to pastors in churches.
How is it that the centurion had such great faith that Jesus marvelled at him even to the point of telling His disciples I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel (Luke 7:9)? The centurion was a non-Jew. Where did he get his faith? God gave it to him, of course. He was born with it.
If God gives faith to the believer and does not give faith to the unbeliever, the unbeliever would have an excuse for his/her rejection of the Word of God. When judgment comes, the unbeliever can accuse God of partiality --- of giving the believer something He did not give the unbeliever.
The believers shown in Hebrews 11, had great faith and great hope. Their faith was exhibited in their actions, even though their hope was never attained (they died before the coming of Messiah):
Hebrews 11:13-16 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
We are in the same boat as the OT believers. We desire a better country, that is an heavenly. That is our hope and the foundation of our hope is faith. We have faith in God that He will do as He has promised. That is the foundation upon which we stand firm, without wavering Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised) (Heb 10:23). Our faith rests in the God Who gave faith to us. He Who has promised is faithful to fulfill that which He has promised us.
Paul was a learned man. He was a pharisee. Sat at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3).
And, yes, Paul "heard" when Jesus spoke audibly to him. What Paul experienced in Acts 9 is not the experience of all of us. Most of us "hear" when another believer speaks as they are led. All believers are instructed to speak God's Word. That is not a duty relegated only to pastors in churches.
