What do you need for salvation again?

[Grace777x70]

Then if someone didn't consider 'faith' a gift then they could obtain their own salvation doing what the Word says is required for salvation, that be the work of 'faith'. For grace you are saved through faith, which isn't a gift of God apparently if one is saved by their own beliefs which they call faith.

Like I said in my previous post..Jesus is the gift...the hearing of Him brings faith. We are saved by grace through faith, it is the gift of God too and He is called Jesus. The hearing of the gospel/Jesus supplies faith with it.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

Can't I disagree since it is written "all men will be saved" so it really doesn't matter what one hears or believes since it is the gift of God.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Tim 2:3-5

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:29-32

 

[PurerInHeart]

Why is it hard for you to accept I asked about salvation, not grace? They're not synonyms.

The topic is "What is NEEDED for salvation?" Grace by Christ's blood, and how we come in contact with that blood IS needed for salvation. I am completely on topic.

 

[notuptome]

Wow! This is a new concept for me. There is a second or third salvation? What happened? The first one didn't take? Would you please elaborate? I honestly never heard of second and thirds.

It's for them that teach you can lose your salvation or walk away from your salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JustWhoIAm]

He'll go seek you when you wander, it doesn't mean you return.

 

[notuptome]

All you need for salvation is Jesus.

Salvation is by the mercy of God upon us who are unable to save ourselves. It's Gods grace or if you prefer God pity upon us.

All we need Christ has provided. All that can be done God has done. God draws us to Jesus. God reveals to us or need to be saved. God saves us and seals unto the day of redemption.

All you need for salvation is Jesus.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JustWhoIAm]

ROFL. Jesus. ok.

Luke 18:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’”

[SUP]21 [/SUP]The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But when the man heard this he became very sad, for he was very rich.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]When Jesus saw this,he said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God! [SUP]25 [/SUP]In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Those who heard this said, “Then who in the world can be saved?”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He replied, “What is impossible for people is possible with God.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Peter said, “We’ve left our homes to follow you.”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Yes,” Jesus replied, “and I assure you that everyone who has given up house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the Kingdom of God, [SUP]30 [/SUP]will be repaid many times over in this life, and will have eternal life in the world to come.”

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

God has provided the measure of faith to every man. We all have the same measure.


Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

When we hear the word of God and we agree with what we hear, our faith is increased by God (1 Cor 3:6). We don't get more faith, but the measure of faith given to us by God is strengthened.

If, on the other hand, we hear the word of God and we suppress/restrain in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), our faith is not increased by God. We don't get less faith, but the measure of faith given to us by God remains weak.

 

[Johnlove]

Like I said in my previous post..Jesus is the gift...the hearing of Him brings faith. We are saved by grace through faith, it is the gift of God too and He is called Jesus. The hearing of the gospel/Jesus supplies faith with it.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

That is right, but you are it seems making an assumption that being saved mean one will enter the kingdom of God. That assumption can’t be confirmed by scripture. In fact scripture says that a sinner will never enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

Also Paul says: (Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

Notice he said those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned?

Now see what scripture says it means to be in Jesus.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”
Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven, and never sinned.

 

[Grace777x70]

That is right, but you are it seems making an assumption that being saved mean one will enter the kingdom of God. That assumption can’t be confirmed by scripture. In fact scripture says that a sinner will never enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

Also Paul says: (Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

Notice he said those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned?

Now see what scripture says it means to be in Jesus.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”
Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven, and never sinned.

People are either sinners or saints. We have a change of identity when we are in Christ.

It would help immensely if you put the scriptures you quoted in their context. if you take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.

Ok..let's just do the 1 Cor 6 one as an example. Everyone for some strange reason leaves out the next verses in that text.

It certainly helps to put scriptures in context. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 is a description of the unrighteous. Christians are called righteous as can be seen by the next verse 11. Two different identities being shown here in context.

If we take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.

Verse 12 is part of the context as well. Paul is saying the behaviors of the unrighteous are not for us believers to be doing as they do because it is unprofitable and is really not our character now in Christ - in our new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

Unbelievers who are called "unrighteous" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only the righteous will and those are the ones sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed in Christ. The believer is called "righteousness" because of Christ's finished work.

1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (NASB)

[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

 

[Johnlove]

People are either sinners or saints. We have a change of identity when we are in Christ.

It would help immensely if you put the scriptures you quoted in their context. if you take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.

Ok..let's just do the 1 Cor 6 one as an example. Everyone for some strange reason leaves out the next verses in that text.

It certainly helps to put scriptures in context. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 is a description of the unrighteous. Christians are called righteous as can be seen by the next verse 11. Two different identities being shown here in context.

If we take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.

Verse 12 is part of the context as well. Paul is saying the behaviors of the unrighteous are not for us believers to be doing as they do because it is unprofitable and is really not our character now in Christ - in our new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

Unbelievers who are called "unrighteous" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only the righteous will and those are the ones sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed in Christ. The believer is called "righteousness" because of Christ's finished work.

1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (NASB)

[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

Yes Peter warned people who read Paul’s letters and don’t have any understanding of what he was saying.

You believe Paul was not speaking to all people in: (1 Corinthians 6:9-19)

Well then what do you say about what Paul said in the following scriptures?

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

Notice he said those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned?

Now see what scripture says it means to be in Jesus.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”
Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven, and never sinned.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

 

[Zmouth]

God has provided the measure of faith to every man. We all have the same measure.

That's a good point, yet is a measure of faith, faith or hope. If faith are you saying every man has been given faith?

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes Peter warned people who read Paul’s letters and don’t have any understanding of what he was saying.

You believe Paul was not speaking to all people in: (1 Corinthians 6:9-19)

Well then what do you say about what Paul said in the following scriptures?

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

Notice he said those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned?

Now see what scripture says it means to be in Jesus.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”
Jesus always obeyed his Father in Heaven, and never sinned.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

All believers are "in Christ". Paul in his epistles says that believers are in some form or other in Christ 160x times. You don't go in and out of being in Christ. You are either in or out. You are either a sheep or a goat. If the sheep sins it doesn't turn into a goat and then when it doesn't sin - it turns back into a sheep again. And there are no "shoats".

1 Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

If we taught believer who they were in Christ - their real identity and to behold Christ then the Holy Spirit would transform them 2 Cor. 3:17-18 When we see Him we become like Him.

If we taught people that they have no condemnation because the are in Christ that will release the enabling grace of God to change them.

Romans 8:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

[SUP]4[/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Read down in Romans 8 further and you will see what walking according to the flesh means and also what is walking according to the spirit.

We walk by the spirit within us and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It is not the other way around. Do not walk after the flesh and then you will walk by the spirit. - this is backwards. Gal. 5:16

 

[Johnlove]

All believers are "in Christ". Paul in his epistles says that believers are in some form or other in Christ 160x times. You don't go in and out of being in Christ. You are either in or out. You are either a sheep or a goat. If the sheep sins it doesn't turn into a goat and then when it doesn't sin - it turns back into a sheep again. And there are no "shoats".

That is nothing but your opinion. Scripture says: (1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

Also scripture says one who sins is of the devil. One who is of the devil, can’t be in Jesus also.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

Also scripture says believe in Jesus. One has to be in Jesus to be believing in him.

1 Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

If we taught believer who they were in Christ - their real identity and to behold Christ then the Holy Spirit would transform them 2

Cor. 3:17-18 When we see Him we become like Him.

Jesus did not sin

If we taught people that they have no condemnation because the are in Christ that will release the enabling grace of God to change them.

Those who are in Christ Jesus obey God’s Commandments, and that is how they know they are in him.

If one sins then scripture tells them they have never seen nor know Jesus.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

People who still sin only believe of Jesus.
Romans 8:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1

[/SUP]

T

herefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

[SUP]4[/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Read down in Romans 8 further and you will see what walking according to the flesh means and also what is walking according to the spirit.

We walk by the spirit within us and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It is not the other way around. Do not walk after the flesh and then you will walk by the spirit. - this is backwards. Gal. 5:16

Yes and the we who walk in the Spirit of God walk as Jesus lived.
Paul said the following.
(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
Those who have the Holy Spirit behave as the Holy Spirit dictates, and the Holy Spirit will never have anyone disobey God’s Commandments.

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul did tell us 160x times about believers being in Christ but you can have your own opinion.

John told us exactly what the Lord's commandments are: We are to believe in all that Jesus has accomplished in His finished work and we now have the love of God poured into our new hearts by the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Preach and teach the grace of Christ as grace instructs us how to live godly in this life. Titus 2:11-12

How did Jesus walk on this earth? He walked in complete dependence on the Father inside of Him. That is how we are to live too. As we walk by the spirit within we will walk outwardly to reflect who we are inside - in our new creation - created in Christ in righteousness and holiness. The inner man born of God cannot sin - not even once.

Understanding of the new creation in Christ ( because we have been born again - past tense ) is paramount to understanding about how our new man in Christ is separated from our flesh - called the circumcision of Christ and of the heart of man. This new man has been created in righteousness and holiness and he cannot be corrupted with sin.


When you understand the new creation in Christ then these verses will come alive to us. Remember that the one born of God cannot sin - not even once. Why?..Because God is inside of us - we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. ( He is Jesus who was born of God - He keeps us )

 

[reneweddaybyday]

That's a good point, yet is a measure of faith, faith or hope.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

It is a measure of faith (Greek pistis).

Hope is Greek elpis

If faith are you saying every man has been given faith?

Yes. God has given the same measure of faith to every person.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

When we "hear" the word of God, we have two choices. We can

(1) agree with what we hear and God can work within our hearts to bring the increase as shown in 1 Cor 3:6; or

(2) hold (suppress/restrain) the truth in unrighteousness as shown in Rom 1:18.

 

[Johnlove]

Paul did tell us 160x times about believers being in Christ but you can have your own opinion.

John told us exactly what the Lord's commandments are: We are to believe in all that Jesus has accomplished in His finished work and we now have the love of God poured into our new hearts by the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Preach and teach the grace of Christ as grace instructs us how to live godly in this life. Titus 2:11-12

How did Jesus walk on this earth? He walked in complete dependence on the Father inside of Him. That is how we are to live too. As we walk by the spirit within we will walk outwardly to reflect who we are inside - in our new creation - created in Christ in righteousness and holiness. The inner man born of God cannot sin - not even once.

Understanding of the new creation in Christ ( because we have been born again - past tense ) is paramount to understanding about how our new man in Christ is separated from our flesh - called the circumcision of Christ and of the heart of man. This new man has been created in righteousness and holiness and he cannot be corrupted with sin.


When you understand the new creation in Christ then these verses will come alive to us. Remember that the one born of God cannot sin - not even once. Why?..Because God is inside of us - we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. ( He is Jesus who was born of God - He keeps us )

You agree then that only those who keep God’s Commandments will enter the Kingdom of God?

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

You agree that to be a Child of God one cannot sin? If one does sin he or she are of the devil?

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

 

[Grace777x70]

You agree then that only those who keep God’s Commandments will enter the Kingdom of God?

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

You agree that to be a Child of God one cannot sin? If one does sin he or she are of the devil?

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

I believe that all those that are in Christ will go to heaven because salvation for going to heaven is based on Jesus finished work and it is by grace through faith in Him alone......some a lot sooner then need be if they walk after the flesh ( like the guy in 1 Cor. 7 )


1 John 3:9 and 5:18 show that the new creation in Christ cannot sin as it is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Now a Christian can sin by walking after the flesh but the new man in Christ cannot sin.

Sin is confined to the flesh and doesn't affect the new spirit of the person in Christ. Sin is condemned to the flesh Romans 8:3. The circumcision of Christ and of the flesh is important to understand here.

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

As far as the Lord, Lord scripture.

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....

Jesus did not say " I knew you once - He said I never knew you at all." These are unbelievers not sealed with the Holy Spirit so they were not a part of Christ's body

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

 

[dutchmanshoes]

What do you mean by salvation again?

 

[Johnlove]

I believe that all those that are in Christ will go to heaven because salvation for going to heaven is based on Jesus finished work and it is by grace through faith in Him alone......some a lot sooner then need be if they walk after the flesh ( like the guy in 1 Cor. 7 )


1 John 3:9 and 5:18 show that the new creation in Christ cannot sin as it is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Now a Christian can sin by walking after the flesh but the new man in Christ cannot sin.

Sin is confined to the flesh and doesn't affect the new spirit of the person in Christ. Sin is condemned to the flesh Romans 8:3. The circumcision of Christ and of the flesh is important to understand here.

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

As far as the Lord, Lord scripture.

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....

Jesus did not say " I knew you once - He said I never knew you at all." These are unbelievers not sealed with the Holy Spirit so they were not a part of Christ's body

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

So what is a believer? Can one who does not believe that Jesus is God, able to walk in the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Notice the people Jesus was referring to cast out demons in Jesus name. Have you read scripture to where it explains what happens to people who are not of God, and use Jesus name to drive out demons.

You just don’t understand how much Jesus hates those who do not keep his Word. He hates them so much that he even chooses not to ever have known such people. You know God has the power to do that he said so.