What Do You Think Comes Next - In Biblical Prophecy?
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I like the sour cream n onion too. But pray tell, what does liking or not liking a certain chip flavor have to do with being a christian or not? lol I'm pretty sure you CAN like dill pickle AND still be a christian. 
Yeah, I won't be taking any chips in my hand or forehead, or anything else for that matter.
You cite a passage that is always misinterpreted by the Pre-Tribber. Let me show you how it is supposed to read.
Context!!! Context!!! Context!!! Jesus just finished talking to the disciples about His pending crucifixion and return to heaven. Look back four verses to Ch 13:
36 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward."
We see Jesus tells Peter that he can't follow Him (Christ) yet but that he can follow Him after (he, Peter dies). So Peter is to follow Christ to heaven!!! Peter will not be here on earth for Christ to "Rapture." Do we agree? So this is the context of verse 14:2.
2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
So we agree on the meaning of verse 2??? Jesus is returning to heaven and once a believer dies, he is taken to heaven to be in the place Christ has prepared (in heaven) for them. This process will remain in place until the Lord returns to earth. So for approx 2,000 years now any believer who dies, his soul goes to heaven to be with Christ and the Father. Jesus comforts His disciples with this knowledge because Jesus knows every single one of them (except Judas) will be joining Him in heaven before He returns. Are we in agreement so far???? No debate so far??? I know this sounds basic but this is important.
Next Jesus employs an oft used teaching technique of the day. He takes an accepted fact (in this case, if I go to prepare a place...) then teaches a new lesson (I will come again...). In the next verse, Jesus teaches what happens when He (Jesus) returns. Keep in mind now we are approx 2,000 years later and counting. The Lord still has not returned, right??
All disciples are long dead and in heaven. Jesus is fully aware that He is not coming back any time soon, certainly not before all of His disciples die.* Therefore, Jesus knows He is returning many years later, therefore Jesus is no longer speaking of His disciples but rather He is speaking of His Elect who will still be on earth when He returns. Are you still with me??? Now read verse 3 in this correct context...
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
Jesus states clearly that He will come again and receive (us). In this case the "you" are not the disciples anymore but the ELECT who are still on earth. Where is Christ coming to? Is He coming to heaven? No, He is already there. He comes to Earth or at least in the clouds above Earth, right? Where is it that we are received to?? To Christ, right??? And where is Christ at this time??? He's here on earth - He's not in heaven. So, we are received to Christ here on earth. Turn back to Mat 24:
30 ...the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This agrees 100% with Paul's teaching in 2 Thes 2:
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you..
Paul uses the same term "gather" to describe what Christ does with His Elect. This "gathering" appears in other places as well. Look at Mat 13, the lesson of the wheat and tares:
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "
Luke 3:17 NKJV
His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
His Elect are gathered. Christ makes no mention of returning to heaven with these ELECT after He gathers them in this, or any other, passage. If Christ comes to Earth once, to stay and to reign, is it not logical that when He gathers us that we stay here with Him?? We see that when Jesus returns He's with His 144K. These are His ELECT, His Chosen, His Faithful.
Rev 14:
1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.
4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.
Rev 17:14:
These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."
The "war" is here on earth. Mt. Zion is here on earth, it is not in heaven. Christ has to reign on earth for 1,000 years before there is a wedding, but this is a longer topic. The point is, there is no teaching that any living person is taken to heaven when Christ returns. The teaching is we are gathered (not raptured) by Christ's angels upon His return. Christ rules, and reigns 1,000 years here on earth. He does not return to heaven after he comes back here. I hope this helps?? God Bless!!!
* Jesus tells Peter that he Peter will die and how Peter will glorify Him in death. He goes on to elude that John would live to an old age at the end of the Book of John. Therefore, there cannot and was no imminent return of Christ possible for the disciples. Jesus could not have returned before Peter was dead, or before the Temple was destroyed or even before He gives His Revelation to John in AD 95. There were many other events foretold by Christ to happen in the first century after His ascension such as the coming of the "Helper"/Holy Spirit that were all prerequisites to His return.
, or anything else for that matter. You cite a passage that is always misinterpreted by the Pre-Tribber. Let me show you how it is supposed to read.
Context!!! Context!!! Context!!! Jesus just finished talking to the disciples about His pending crucifixion and return to heaven. Look back four verses to Ch 13:
36 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward."
We see Jesus tells Peter that he can't follow Him (Christ) yet but that he can follow Him after (he, Peter dies). So Peter is to follow Christ to heaven!!! Peter will not be here on earth for Christ to "Rapture." Do we agree? So this is the context of verse 14:2.
2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
So we agree on the meaning of verse 2??? Jesus is returning to heaven and once a believer dies, he is taken to heaven to be in the place Christ has prepared (in heaven) for them. This process will remain in place until the Lord returns to earth. So for approx 2,000 years now any believer who dies, his soul goes to heaven to be with Christ and the Father. Jesus comforts His disciples with this knowledge because Jesus knows every single one of them (except Judas) will be joining Him in heaven before He returns. Are we in agreement so far???? No debate so far??? I know this sounds basic but this is important.
Next Jesus employs an oft used teaching technique of the day. He takes an accepted fact (in this case, if I go to prepare a place...) then teaches a new lesson (I will come again...). In the next verse, Jesus teaches what happens when He (Jesus) returns. Keep in mind now we are approx 2,000 years later and counting. The Lord still has not returned, right??
All disciples are long dead and in heaven. Jesus is fully aware that He is not coming back any time soon, certainly not before all of His disciples die.* Therefore, Jesus knows He is returning many years later, therefore Jesus is no longer speaking of His disciples but rather He is speaking of His Elect who will still be on earth when He returns. Are you still with me??? Now read verse 3 in this correct context...
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
Jesus states clearly that He will come again and receive (us). In this case the "you" are not the disciples anymore but the ELECT who are still on earth. Where is Christ coming to? Is He coming to heaven? No, He is already there. He comes to Earth or at least in the clouds above Earth, right? Where is it that we are received to?? To Christ, right??? And where is Christ at this time??? He's here on earth - He's not in heaven. So, we are received to Christ here on earth. Turn back to Mat 24:
30 ...the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This agrees 100% with Paul's teaching in 2 Thes 2:
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you..
Paul uses the same term "gather" to describe what Christ does with His Elect. This "gathering" appears in other places as well. Look at Mat 13, the lesson of the wheat and tares:
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "
Luke 3:17 NKJV
His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
His Elect are gathered. Christ makes no mention of returning to heaven with these ELECT after He gathers them in this, or any other, passage. If Christ comes to Earth once, to stay and to reign, is it not logical that when He gathers us that we stay here with Him?? We see that when Jesus returns He's with His 144K. These are His ELECT, His Chosen, His Faithful.
Rev 14:
1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.
4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.
Rev 17:14:
These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."
The "war" is here on earth. Mt. Zion is here on earth, it is not in heaven. Christ has to reign on earth for 1,000 years before there is a wedding, but this is a longer topic. The point is, there is no teaching that any living person is taken to heaven when Christ returns. The teaching is we are gathered (not raptured) by Christ's angels upon His return. Christ rules, and reigns 1,000 years here on earth. He does not return to heaven after he comes back here. I hope this helps?? God Bless!!!
* Jesus tells Peter that he Peter will die and how Peter will glorify Him in death. He goes on to elude that John would live to an old age at the end of the Book of John. Therefore, there cannot and was no imminent return of Christ possible for the disciples. Jesus could not have returned before Peter was dead, or before the Temple was destroyed or even before He gives His Revelation to John in AD 95. There were many other events foretold by Christ to happen in the first century after His ascension such as the coming of the "Helper"/Holy Spirit that were all prerequisites to His return.
The "but you shall follow Me afterward" is a reference, to AFTER HE has finished the New Dwelling Place, that almost EVERY Bridegroom in Jewish history had to build in HIS FATHER'S HOUSE, before HE COULD GO GET HIS BRIDE. Only the FATHER knew when the Wedding would be, because THE FATHER ONLY had the right to say when His Son's New Dwelling Place for His Bride was FINISHED. The Bride was not permitted to physically set foot in the NEW DWELLING PLACE until the NIGHT of her wedding.
The 144,000 that you referred two are ALL JEWS, (IT SAYS SO), who are sealed in their MORTAL BODIES, to repopulate the Earth with MORTALS, after THIS HAPPENS TO ALL UNBELIEVERS:
Revelation 19:15-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGSAND LORD OF LORDS.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then I saw an angel standing on the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice, saying to all the birds flying high overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] so that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
NO SURVIVORS, the Bride of Christ, OT and NT true believers, were Called OUT of her old dwelling place, EARTH by the Archangel, which is in the JEWISH WEDDING TRADITIONS, in that the Bridegroom has to appoint someone other than the Himself to SHOUT and call out the Bride. The Tribulation Saints will have ALL been beheaded by the Antichrist, leaving THE ONLY MORTALS BEING THE UNBELIEVERS on EARTH, and the 144,000 sealed from harm in the mortal bodies. The Bride will get our resurrected glorified bodies at the calling out, which happens as FAST A LIGHTNING FLASHES ACROSS THE SKY. The Tribulation Saints will get their resurrected glorified bodies immediately after the Second Coming, WHICH IS WHEN THE REST WERE KILLED. BUT NOTICE, IN VERSE 19 ABOVE, THAT SECOND COMING HAPPENS SO SLOW THAT THE ARMIES OF THE WORLD HAVE TIME TO GATHER IN ISRAEL TO TRY TO STOP CHRIST FROM COMING BACK, AND THEY ALL KNOW WHY THEY ARE GATHERED. THAT IS A SHARP CONTRAST to when at the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, the unsaved HAD NO IDEA HE WAS COMING. See Mat. 24:39 below.
LOOK AGAIN,
Revelation 19:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.
{THEY KNOW HE IS COMING AND HAVE TIME TO GATHER THEIR ARMIES TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM!}
THAT IS NOT THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE WHICH HAPPENS AS FAST A LIGHTNING FLASHES ACROSS THE SKY seven year earlier:
Luke 17:24 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.
Matthew 24:39-44 (NIV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
NOTICE THAT SAME 50% left behind that call themselves CHRISTIANS, also shows up at the Parable of Ten Virgins:
Matthew 25:1-13 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
THAT "I don't know you" is a reference to the Born Again inner personal LOVE relationship between true Believers and our LORD, which means MASTER. It is the difference between head knowledge about JESUS and really KNOWING HIM in our Hearts as LORD and MASTER.
Oh, just so you KNOW, we are not even to the end of DAY TWO, according to GOD's timetable, "with the LORD one day is as a thousand years". So you are still standing among the Scoffers prophesied to come during the last days.
The Number of MESSIANIC PROPHECIES THAT JESUS FULFILLED ALREADY, are at least 365:
Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled - Abraham's Descendants International
Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled - Abraham's Descendants International
Yeah, I won't be taking any chips in my hand or forehead, or anything else for that matter.
I like chips too. My favorite brand is Lay's. There are a lot of new and interesting flavors coming out but I prefer plain Ruffles and the Classic Lay's the best. What is your favorite flavor?
, or anything else for that matter. I like chips too. My favorite brand is Lay's. There are a lot of new and interesting flavors coming out but I prefer plain Ruffles and the Classic Lay's the best. What is your favorite flavor?
Jesus was talking specifically to His disciples here. As I said, every disciple (except Judas) followed Christ to heaven after they died which is the case with every believer who died prior to Christ's return.
Exactly. There should be no debate on who the Bride is or when the Wedding takes place. It is at the end of all things and it will be the new heaven which comes to earth. The Bride are ALL THOSE WHO ENTER, Jews and Christians alike. The Wedding does NOT happen in the old heaven.
Rev 21:
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
We now see the New Heaven and it is now that the Lamb's wife is shown.
All Jews??? It says so??? No, it says 12,000 from each tribe.
The rest of the earth is NOT killed, just the rest of those who came against the Lamb at Armageddon. All those who opposed the Lamb at Armageddon are killed which are 1/3 of the world. Don't forget the Goats and Sheep. There has to be both believers and unbelievers left after Armageddon for Christ to rule like a rod of iron during the Millennium.
Mat 25:
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Rev 20:
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Zech 14:
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
We see in the above that only those who came against Jerusalem are killed. The rest continue to live and must come up to Jerusalem to worship the Lamb each year. Here is another passage that tells us the Lord kills "MANY" not "ALL."
Isa 66:
15 For behold, the Lord will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by His sword The Lord will judge all flesh; And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
There will be survivors...
It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.
19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles.
Notice that the new heavens and earth are yet future. They come AFTER the 1,000 year reign. "I will make" is future tense...
22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord.
24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."
Notice "ALL FLESH???" These are still in mortal bodies.
Sorry, I have to run. Will finish later. For now I leave you with the above to consider and reconsider some of your views. God Bless!!
Exactly. There should be no debate on who the Bride is or when the Wedding takes place. It is at the end of all things and it will be the new heaven which comes to earth. The Bride are ALL THOSE WHO ENTER, Jews and Christians alike. The Wedding does NOT happen in the old heaven.
Rev 21:
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
We now see the New Heaven and it is now that the Lamb's wife is shown.
All Jews??? It says so??? No, it says 12,000 from each tribe.
The rest of the earth is NOT killed, just the rest of those who came against the Lamb at Armageddon. All those who opposed the Lamb at Armageddon are killed which are 1/3 of the world. Don't forget the Goats and Sheep. There has to be both believers and unbelievers left after Armageddon for Christ to rule like a rod of iron during the Millennium.
Mat 25:
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Rev 20:
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Zech 14:
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
We see in the above that only those who came against Jerusalem are killed. The rest continue to live and must come up to Jerusalem to worship the Lamb each year. Here is another passage that tells us the Lord kills "MANY" not "ALL."
Isa 66:
15 For behold, the Lord will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by His sword The Lord will judge all flesh; And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
There will be survivors...
It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.
19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles.
Notice that the new heavens and earth are yet future. They come AFTER the 1,000 year reign. "I will make" is future tense...
22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord.
24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."
Notice "ALL FLESH???" These are still in mortal bodies.
Sorry, I have to run. Will finish later. For now I leave you with the above to consider and reconsider some of your views. God Bless!!
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You seem to have a lot of Prophecy's timeline mixed up. As you are confusing events that happen at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ with those that are related to Second Coming at the beginning of HIS 1000 year reign. The separation of the goats and the sheep is at the very end of HIS Thousand Year reign just before JUDGEMENT DAY. That is after the 144,000 from every TRIBE OF ISRAEL, have been populating HIS KINGDOM with their mortal offspring. Many, many of those even, who are born in the KINGDOM, (which I think will be similar to the Garden of Eden), will take Christ and all HE has provided for GRANTED, and rebel against HIM, even though HE is on the THRONE of David in Jerusalem. I will admit that the verse Zech. 14:16 that you pointed out does seems to indicate, there are a few mortal survivors other than the 144,000; which if that is accurately interpreted, will be EVIDENCE of HIS MERCY. THANK YOU for that info.
Now during Tribulation you have WWIII, that kills a THIRD of the world, followed by sickness and disease that kills half of those who REMAIN, all PRIOR Armageddon. As for THOSE of us that reign with HIM for a thousand years, not one of us will be in our MORTAL bodies, but rather all of us OT, NT, and Tribulation Saints, who are the BRIDE of CHRIST, will be in our Resurrected/Changed, glorified, immortal Bodies.
Wait a minute, you do know that Revelation is NOT written in Chronological order don't you? I forget what this style of writing is called, but it is written like a good NEWSPAPER editor writes. HE gives the highlights of the main events first to grab the reader's attention. THEN he will go back numerous times to fill in details about this, and details about that, etc.; where the focus is purely on filling in the details, and NOT ON KEEPING THE TIMELINE IN ORDER.
Actually the book of Revelation gives us some details about the Church Age, and a lot of details about the Great Tribulation, and some details about life in the THOUSAND YEAR KINGDOM, and details about Judgement Day, and a very short glimpse at the Eternal State that comes with the New Heaven and New Earth.
If you would like to do some more studies on the End Times, I can HIGHLY recommend the sermons of Dr. John MacArthur on the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel.
Grace to You REVELATION
Grace to You DANIEL
That being your position, then we know absolutely for sure you are wrong.
Matthew 25:10-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
So why were they told nearly 2000 years ago to WATCH for the return of the Bridegroom, if it was at the "at the end of all things ".
Matthew 25:10-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
So why were they told nearly 2000 years ago to WATCH for the return of the Bridegroom, if it was at the "at the end of all things ".
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We had a guest Missionary, just back from Lebanon, deliver the sermon today. He brought up a very interesting Prophecy today, all about prophecies against Assyria:
Isaiah 5:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] He {GOD} raises a signal flag for the distant nations and whistles for them from the ends of the earth. Look—how quickly and swiftly they come!
Isaiah 5:27-28 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] None of them grows weary or stumbles; no one slumbers or sleeps. No belt is loose and no sandal strap broken.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Their arrows are sharpened, and all their bows strung. Their horses’ hooves are like flint; their ⌊chariot⌋ wheels are like a whirlwind. {Able to do battle around the clock, 24/7. Sharpened arrows = perhaps missles. Chariot wheels like a whirlwind = Perhaps Tanks.}
Isaiah 7:18-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] On that day the LORD will whistle to the fly {Symbolism for an Army.}that is at the farthest streams of the Nile and to the bee {Perhaps the Rebels we will train and arm.} that is in the land of Assyria.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] All of them will come and settle in the steep ravines, {A great coalition of Nations.} in the clefts of the rocks, in all the thornbushes, and in all the water holes.
Isaiah 5:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] On that day they will roar over it {The sound of jets roaring over it. I hear that sound daily, as I live less than 3 miles from the U.S. Navy's Top Gun School.}, like the roaring of the sea. When one looks at the land, there will be darkness and distress; light will be obscured by clouds.
Isaiah 6:11-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I said, “Until when, Lord?” And He replied: Until cities lie in ruins without inhabitants, houses are without people, the land is ruined and desolate,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and the LORD drives the people far away, leaving great emptiness in the land. {The Missionary pointed out that there is a steady stream of refugees fleeing to Lebanon and Jordan.}
So perhaps the best answer to what Prophecy will be fulfilled next, is the LORD will whistle and call a Coalition of Nations to do battle in Syria.
Isaiah 5:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] He {GOD} raises a signal flag for the distant nations and whistles for them from the ends of the earth. Look—how quickly and swiftly they come!
Isaiah 5:27-28 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] None of them grows weary or stumbles; no one slumbers or sleeps. No belt is loose and no sandal strap broken.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Their arrows are sharpened, and all their bows strung. Their horses’ hooves are like flint; their ⌊chariot⌋ wheels are like a whirlwind. {Able to do battle around the clock, 24/7. Sharpened arrows = perhaps missles. Chariot wheels like a whirlwind = Perhaps Tanks.}
Isaiah 7:18-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] On that day the LORD will whistle to the fly {Symbolism for an Army.}that is at the farthest streams of the Nile and to the bee {Perhaps the Rebels we will train and arm.} that is in the land of Assyria.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] All of them will come and settle in the steep ravines, {A great coalition of Nations.} in the clefts of the rocks, in all the thornbushes, and in all the water holes.
Isaiah 5:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] On that day they will roar over it {The sound of jets roaring over it. I hear that sound daily, as I live less than 3 miles from the U.S. Navy's Top Gun School.}, like the roaring of the sea. When one looks at the land, there will be darkness and distress; light will be obscured by clouds.
Isaiah 6:11-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I said, “Until when, Lord?” And He replied: Until cities lie in ruins without inhabitants, houses are without people, the land is ruined and desolate,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and the LORD drives the people far away, leaving great emptiness in the land. {The Missionary pointed out that there is a steady stream of refugees fleeing to Lebanon and Jordan.}
So perhaps the best answer to what Prophecy will be fulfilled next, is the LORD will whistle and call a Coalition of Nations to do battle in Syria.
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The scriptures posted above are a good example of the use of Syria as a picture of the congregations of the church age towards the end of the church age. Remember how Abraham pointed out to God that this Eliazer of Damascus was the steward of his household and yet he was still childless. This is another example of how Damascus and Syria are a picture of the congregations of the houses of God. Remember Jesus told about the woe that was coming to those who would be with child and give suck. In other words, those congregations who are raising supposedly spiritual children on the milk of the gospel would have woe. Remember how the desolation was to come. That means Christ would be absent there, same with the above verses about darkness and desolation in Assyria. None of this is likely to happen to the political nation of Syria as the USA and others engage in some battle strategies. The scripture is not talking about physical wars and politics. Rather, it is about the darkness that engulfs the congregations of the church age as they begin falling away from the truth of the gospel.