What happens when Believers don't obey the Gospel

VioletReigns · Nov 15, 2014

Yes, I got baptized in water about a year after I was saved. It was a joyous event, not one out of fear or duty. About a year after that, I was standing in my house praying to Jesus and was baptized in the Holy Ghost when I was blinded with a light like the sun and enveloped in roaring, rushing wind. That MADE me fear but in a wonderful way! It was trembling amazement and awe of the Great I AM! \

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fredjames · Nov 15, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

You are 'nearsighted' due to the lack of 'supplement to your faith', according to the epistle of Apostle Peter, and have not even fully welcome the Gospel in knowledge and ignorantly are anti-CHRIST, and ignorantly a proud 'self-righteous' Christian, continuing and taking for granted the period of GOD's Grace to everyone, putting HIM to the test, and once again due to Spiritual blindness that dare opposes what has been already written for 'children' of the Kingdom to understand and also already been established before as the New Covenant 'Christian foundation laid on the Rock', Christianity who have practiced actually the 'talk the talk' and 'walk the walk' Covenant faith given to all of them, beginning from LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Apostles and their followers.

And GOD has testified about them, in HIS own words written in the HOLY BIBLE, in order for us in the future to imitate them and 'abide' in HIS SON's 'words and love' for one another, which also in agreement we have already accepted and living in all of them everyday, our believe and in acknowledgement 'faith with action', 'the works of GOD' under the 'Law of Liberty of the New Covenant'.

That is the actual Grace and Truth has been once again quoted 'as a reminder' and 'a stir up of memory' to you and others and me who are witnessing once again, quoted well and sound, by HIS humble unworthy least important servant for CHRIST, in order for the ignorant 'harden hearts' to repent.

We have actually heard GOD's voice, the written Word of the New Covenant and not HIS servant's.

As it is written in the epistle to the Hebrews and all in the same faith family that;

"If you hear GOD's voice today, do not harden your hearts."

And this is 'A Commandment' to all believers, was 'of' GOD and 'by' JESUS through HIS body and 'part/member'.

Without the HOLY BIBLE reference documentation produced by the HOLY SPIRIT and even taught by HIM, no one can learn and know about Christianity and even act and live like a Christian.

The HOLY SPIRIT is on our side and HE is grieving about you today's 'blind guides', who are clever to take part of the quotes and by understanding parts of Apostle Paul who address to the Romans and Galatians church and justify partial knowledge truth, witnessing to others.

Actually, 'the work of men that takes away from the work of GOD' that you and you supporters ignorantly and boldly brag about, according to Apostle Paul, about 'the work of men', is men lived according to their past life and works, to the Jews, the works of required Law of Moses and to the Gentiles, the works of the law naturally in their conscience and also teaching of their wise ancestors or so called spiritual holy men.

And that which 'takes away the work of GOD' is the work of GOD, according to the written and established HOLY SPIRIT's 'Law of liberty'(Romans 8;2), made New Covenant, for all who have been born again, who must have, by receiving GOD's gift of initial faith, supposedly 'bury' their past of 'work of men', Jews or Gentiles, and now as one redeemed family 'abide' to that written and established New Covenant 'work of GOD'.

And is written;

"This is the blood of the Covenant poured out for you, which My FATHER makes with you. Drink it and do this in remembrance of me."

mailmandan · Nov 15, 2014

In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Refusing to believe the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to obey the gospel.

The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes.. (Romans 1:16). We obey the gospel by choosing to believe/trust in Christ's finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation.

SeaBass · Nov 15, 2014

endtimes said:

Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:...."

Conversely, those that rejected being baptized rejected Peter's gospel message. Therefore one has not accepted the gospel until he is baptized.

notuptome · Nov 15, 2014

The OP sets up a logical impossibility. One cannot obey or receive or believe the gospel and not be a believer. What many here want to construct is a religious doctrine that makes legalism part of the gospel.

The gospel according to the bible has nothing to do with works. Believing in Jesus Christ, His death, burial and bodily resurrection are the gospel. Where do we find water baptism? Not there so what else do we find? We certainly find many exhortations to live holy separated lives for Christ. We find exhortation to study the word of God. We find exhortation to pray to our Father in heaven. All of which are things that have virtue but none of which make us saved.

Grace is the only thing needed for salvation. Grace given by God the moment we receive Christ as our Savior. Baptized by God with the Holy Spirit and sealed unto the day of redemption the very moment we trust Christ.

God willing the road of sanctification is long but we do not walk it alone. Christ walks with us in the person of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit comforts and guides into Gods truth.

You cannot obey God without knowing and possessing the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

endtimes · Nov 15, 2014

Jason0047 said:

We know there was never to be any divisions in the church. In fact, Paul wrote this to the Corinthians...

1 Corinthians 1:12-16 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Paul was concerned about division among them and was addressing that issue. He was glad he did not baptize lest any should become more divided and say they are of the denomination of Paul.

It seems that divisions crept in anyway, saying I am a Lutheran (of Martin Luther, a 16th century German monk), or I am a Calvinist (of John Calvin).

But by no means was Paul ever against preaching water baptism as part of the salvation message. In Acts chapter 19 we see this scene unfold...

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

(Note: Paul asks them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? When the answer was no, lets look at the very next words out of Paul's mouth)...

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

(Note: Paul was clearly speaking of Water Baptism. In fact, the word used is baptized[SUP][SUB]G907[/SUB][/SUP] which means to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge)...

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized[SUP]G907[/SUP] in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.

Now lets look at another example of Paul preaching water baptism...

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

(Note: the key to this verse is "believing" what is preached. Here we see "that night" they all were gathered together and in the preaching - water baptism was preached)...

Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Note:
1. they were all in the house and water baptism was preached
2. they all left the house to go outside and be water baptized
3. they all came back into the house rejoicing

Lets turn to Colossians chapter 2...

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[11] In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

The word used is baptism[SUP]G908[/SUP] which means to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge.

And, of course we have Romans chapter 6...

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Again, the word used is baptism[SUP]G908[/SUP] which means to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge.

Now, there are also examples with the other Apostles, such as with the Enoch in the desert...

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Acts 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Acts 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Acts 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

(Note: all we read is that Philip preached unto him Jesus. We dont know the content of what was preached, only that Jesus was preached - lets continue)...

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

In the "preaching Jesus" - water baptism was preached!

Now, you are free to try to get to heaven any way you wish, but I wouldn't recommend it.

There is only one way, that is to obey the gospel...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

If we are to obey the gospel, we would have to symbolize the death, burial, resurrection. And, that is what Peter said to do...

1. Death = repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

God bless!

endtimes · Nov 15, 2014

notuptome said:

The following are believers...

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

The following are believers...

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

SeaBass had a good point when he said in post #24...

Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:...."

Conversely, those that rejected being baptized rejected Peter's gospel message. Therefore one has not accepted the gospel until he is baptized.

God bless!

mailmandan · Nov 16, 2014

SeaBass said:

Accepting the gospel is signified, but not procured in baptism. Believers repent and believe the gospel prior to getting water baptized. They were baptized BECAUSE they received his word, not in order to receive his word.

Bride · Nov 16, 2014

SeaBass said:

Of course. If someone in my presence claimed to be a Christian, but refused to be baptized using mindless arguments against it such as I see on this thread, that person would be thrown far out of the house as anathema, until they repented of their rebelliousness. The Spirit of Christ never dwells within such rebellious people.

mailmandan · Nov 16, 2014

endtimes said:

No they are not.

John 6:40 - For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. They did not do the will of the Father. They did not believe in Him. They were not believers.

These many people in Matthew 7:22 clearly had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in THEIR accomplishments/works to save them and not in CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was really disobedience. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous!

"ye that work iniquity" does not equate to saved believer, but lost unbeliever.

Without saving belief in Christ, attempting to accomplish any further sayings of Jesus is futile. Our salvation is built upon Jesus Christ who is our rock and foundation (1 Corinthians 3:11). After we have been saved through faith, obedience to His words brings solid stability to our life that allows us to survive the storms of life. If the foundation of our works is sand, we will crumble when the storms come. Our foundation should be on the strong rock of Christ, and when the winds and storms come, we will stand firm. During the hot summer months, the sand around the Sea of Galilee was hard on the surface. But a wise builder knew that he needed to dig several feet below the surface to the bedrock in order to establish the foundation for his house.

5 were and 5 were not.

Jesus said to the 5 foolish virgins, "I know you not." John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Jesus did not know these 5 foolish virgins or these many people in Matthew 7:22 who trust in works salvation.

One has accepted the gospel the moment that he chooses to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; Acts 10:43-47) prior to water baptism. Baptism does not cause you to accept the message but signifies that you have accepted the message. Luke 7:29 - When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they justified God/acknowledged God's justice, (signified by) having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, (signified by) not having been baptized by John. Baptism did not magically make them become disciples of John but their decision to become disciples of John was signified in baptism. Becoming a disciple of John was a heart decision that they made prior to becoming water baptized.

Stephen63 · Nov 16, 2014

We are required to repent, yes?

Is repentance only in the mind, or in actions also?

Does good works follow them that believe? YES

Does God want His children to produce good works? YES

Ephesians 2:8-13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ,[b]excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off [c]have been brought near [d]by the blood of Christ.

Always use ALL of the context..... not picking & choosing. Those that pick & choose prove they're twisting the scriptures by their actions.

Works follow the believer because God created us to do that. No fruit means no evidence, & no evidence means it isn't true. Walking in Christ requires faith plus works, as James plainly stated.

Straightshot · Nov 16, 2014

The true believer has already obeyed the Gospel of Jesus Christ

What happens after is another matter

The believer is to grow spiritually and to behave in ways pleasing to the Lord

.... and why should they not do this?

Most do ... and some struggle

fredjames · Nov 17, 2014

mailmandan said:

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

You preach a false Gospel out of assumption and in opposition to what CHRIST has taught HIS disciples and followers and is written and well documented for our teaching and witnessing, in the New Covenant and you are in Christian 'lawlessness'.

Lambs and sheep, please witness what is written by 'sir mailmandan' above.

And please then again the Gospel of CHRIST, according to Matthew 7;24-27 and John 8; 31,32 and 36.

Does these which are 'spirit and life' words of our LORD JESUS CHRIST written in the Gospel, supports 'sir mailmandan's testimony?

sir mailmandan, what is the definition of you and your supporter's 'believe and faith in the Gospel'. Are you like by-standers who gaze at everything from afar and automatically everything shall be fulfilled in you all without any guideline practices of works to become perfect?

There is no quotation to your such claims and are a false Gospel in our witnessing, in order to distinguish between the 'spirit of error' and 'spirit of truth'.

All that you said against, is required of GOD and taught by LORD JESUS CHRIST and we have come to learn by the Help of HOLY SPIRIT. Failure to 'practice' and 'abide' according to the Good Shepherd's voice, results to future condemnation of 'lawlessness', written in Matthew 7; 21-23.

In the Gospel of John chapter 15 and from verse 3-16, lets say JESUS was only teaching the disciples, how to be fruitful and we believe this as the church, for it is written. But then again in verse 16, JESUS also say that their fruit should 'abide' too.

Isn't JESUS referring to the 'church' as their fruit and that should also 'abide' in the same manner?

mailmandan · Nov 17, 2014

fredjames said:

The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. To believe the Gospel is to trust in Christ's finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation. "Christian lawlessness" is an oxymoron and a false accusation. What is your definition of faith and the Gospel and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the Gospel?

endtimes · Nov 17, 2014

mailmandan said:

You do not believe the gospel. You do not believe the "burial" as part of the salvation plan. Here are your own words in post 28...

How can you be dead in Christ without a burial. And, with no death and burial, how can you be resurrected with Christ.

The Gospel Message is the Death, Burial, Resurrection. And Peter gave it through the HOLY GHOST...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The Gospel message was given by Peter...

1. Death = repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

If we believe the Gospel message, we MUST believe ALL of it.

SeaBass said it best in post 24...

God bless!

notuptome · Nov 17, 2014

endtimes said:

This is incorrect. They were always tares and not wheat. These are religious but lost folks who pretended to possess but denied the truth which is why Christ denies them.

Repeating an error does not make it right.

The only baptism that saves is Holy Spirit baptism. Demonstrate from the scriptures you cite that the baptism is water or come to the truth that Holy Spirit is the only baptism that saves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

maxwel · Nov 17, 2014

The question from the OP is VERY SPECIFIC:

"What happens if we don't obey the gospel?"

The gospel is a very narrow, and very specific thing...
the gospel isn't "the whole bible" or "the new testament" or even "the ten commandments".
The Gospel is narrowly defined, in scripture, as the message of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

1Co 15:1-4
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Since the Gospel is narrowly defined in scripture as the message of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ,
then it follows that "obeying the gospel" can't possibly be any kind of work or act (as we have no part in the death, burial, and resurrection), therefore the ONLY thing we can DO with the gospel is to ACCEPT IT, therefore "obeying the gospel" could only be defined as "accepting" the gospel.

So, "obeying the gospel" would be to accept the gospel... to accept the death, burial, and resurrection.

(Accepting the death, burial, and resurrection also necessitates that we UNDERSTAND those things, and thereby recognize our SIN, and our NEED FOR A SAVIOR.)

maxwel · Nov 17, 2014

CONTINUED.

If "obeying the gospel" can only mean to "accept the gospel"...
well, there can only be one conclusion.

If we don't accept the gospel, we are lost and without a savior.

endtimes · Nov 17, 2014

notuptome said:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[16] He that believeth and is baptized[SUP]G907[/SUP] shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The word here is baptized[SUP]G907 [/SUP]and according to Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries ...

G907
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet)

And, Thayer’s Greek Definitions...

G907
baptizō

1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge

You are welcome to "believe not" the Gospel, but if someday you come to believe, you must believe all of it...

1. Death = repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

God bless!

Word_Swordsman · Nov 17, 2014

SeaBass said:

Those that reject the gospel need not be water baptized since they have not first received the spiritual baptism Jesus and promised in Mark 10:39 and other places, and by the apostles. But many people of the first century had only John's baptism, having only been water baptized unto repentance unto remission of sins. That wasn't sufficient to save, and still isn't. What John preached and offered towards that could not be equal to what Jesus later did on the cross.It took the blood of Jesus to wash us, not river water.It is the spiritual first, then the natural. The spiritual is inner, the natural outer. We learned from the law the outward things can't save or add to salvation.

Acts 18:24-27 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Water baptism is an outward sign of the spirit baptism Jesus gives upon believing the gospel. Without that first, there is no testimony of one's death, burial and resurrection in Christ.

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