What is Antichrist? How could America be mystery babylon? Bible or Quran?

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gocardinals25

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Well let us be understanding of who exactly that deceiver of the world truly is,
Satan.
Growing mad on idols? playstation 3, celphones,computers,alcohol, etc.,
To be antichrist what is the meaning of antichrist? to be the opposite of Christ or not like Christ
Jesus Christ walked with his disciples a perfect image of what man should be: healing, loving every man as he loved himself, knowing truth,joy,family,these things do not cost money,because as we all know that money is truly the root of all evil and Jesus was perfect.
The word in flesh,the word is perfect without blemish, the word was the truth, and salvation is knowing truth & faith by grace.
Men are born into sin corrupted at birth,all things that lead to evil materialism,weapons,alcohol,drugs,wealth,corruption,pornography, there are things that we see every day, these are antichrist. Satan has had plenty of time to mislead us, he has had centuries to blind us, to create idols,to gather wealth, to bring God shame in seeing his people so mislead, so blind in faith, turning man against man, creating conceit,division,pride,war, all of these things are developed through the deceiver, money is the root of all evil, not evil, but the root which
grows and grows, all satan has to do is plant the seed and set it in front of you and await destruction.
Could satan have very well influenced or created these things that lead to sin drugs,alcohol,the internet(when used for all the wrong reasons),
all events in the history of the world have been influenced by this deceiver, do not be deceived, and please do not mislead yourself to destruction.
This is how America could very well be mystery babylon of revelations


Also, let us take a little look at the differences between the Holy Bible and the quran for religious confusion purposes:


[TABLE="class: carm-table-with-border"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Bible[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Qur'an[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19;2 Cor. 13:14).[/TD]
[TD]Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus is God in flesh (Col. 2:9).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus is not God (5:17, 75).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was crucified (1 Pet. 2:24).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus rose from the dead (John 2:19-20).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus did not rise from the dead.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 1:1).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not the Son of God (9:30).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Holy Spirit, 3rd person in the Godhead. He will bear witness of Jesus (John 14:26; 15:26).[/TD]
[TD]The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9).[/TD]
[TD]Salvation by sincerity and works (3:135; 7:8-9; 21:47; 49:14; 66:8-9).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]The Devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12-15).[/TD]
[TD]The Devil, Satan, is not a fallen angel, but a fallen Jinn (2:34; 7:12; 15:27; 55:15).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man is fallen, a sinner (Rom. 3:23).[/TD]
[TD]Man is basically good.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Disciples were Christians (Acts 11:26).[/TD]
[TD]Disciples declare themselves Muslims (5:111).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2).[/TD]
[TD]Worship on Friday (62:9).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]Makes no prophecies.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

If you take Jesus Christ out of the equation you are mislead, you may say not much is changed but I would say that by changing a little, you have changed salvation, man is born into sin, but in truth you may become righteous and overcome, God bless!
 
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Richie_2uk

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Well then, you answered your own question Brother. Or were you asking the CC forum? If so, you just went straight in to the answer given by you. Normally if someone ask a question, they explain it by saying something, what's this? or that? and then offer the forum to give there own views or comments. God bless, Brother.
 
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doulos

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What is antichrist?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

If we use the definition Scripture itself provides in the only 4 verses that uses the term antichrist or antichrists it is apparent there are many antichrists and all of them deny Christ. As we can see not a single verse that uses the term antichrist suggest that antichrist is some end time boogeyman that will supposedly rule the world!

How could America be Mystery Babylon?
Simply put, it can not be Mystery Babylon.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
For Babylon to contain the blood of all that were slain upon the earth requires that she contain the blood of Abel who was murdered by his brother Cain as well as the blood of all throughout all time periods and locations on into our future when the last person to be slain upon this earth before Christ’s return is slain. Babylon can not be constrained by time or location. If she was she could not contain the blood of all slain upon the earth.

Bible or quran?
The bible is the 1600 year record of God to mankind revealed through all of the prophets and legions of witnesses in His Holy Word. The quran is the stand alone 23 year record of a 6th century, illiterate, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islam’s own writings) false prophet mohammad that promotes the OPPOSITE, of the Word of God.
 
Bowman

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gocardinals25 said:
Well let us be understanding of who exactly that deceiver of the world truly is,
Satan.
Growing mad on idols? playstation 3, celphones,computers,alcohol, etc.,
To be antichrist what is the meaning of antichrist? to be the opposite of Christ or not like Christ
Jesus Christ walked with his disciples a perfect image of what man should be: healing, loving every man as he loved himself, knowing truth,joy,family,these things do not cost money,because as we all know that money is truly the root of all evil and Jesus was perfect.
The word in flesh,the word is perfect without blemish, the word was the truth, and salvation is knowing truth & faith by grace.
Men are born into sin corrupted at birth,all things that lead to evil materialism,weapons,alcohol,drugs,wealth,corruption,pornography, there are things that we see every day, these are antichrist. Satan has had plenty of time to mislead us, he has had centuries to blind us, to create idols,to gather wealth, to bring God shame in seeing his people so mislead, so blind in faith, turning man against man, creating conceit,division,pride,war, all of these things are developed through the deceiver, money is the root of all evil, not evil, but the root which
grows and grows, all satan has to do is plant the seed and set it in front of you and await destruction.
Could satan have very well influenced or created these things that lead to sin drugs,alcohol,the internet(when used for all the wrong reasons),
all events in the history of the world have been influenced by this deceiver, do not be deceived, and please do not mislead yourself to destruction.
This is how America could very well be mystery babylon of revelations


Also, let us take a little look at the differences between the Holy Bible and the quran for religious confusion purposes:


[TABLE="class: carm-table-with-border"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #eaf2ff"]Bible
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eaf2ff"]Qur'an
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19;2 Cor. 13:14).
[/TD]
[TD]Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus is God in flesh (Col. 2:9).
[/TD]
[TD]Jesus is not God (5:17, 75).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was crucified (1 Pet. 2:24).
[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus rose from the dead (John 2:19-20).
[/TD]
[TD]Jesus did not rise from the dead.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 1:1).
[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not the Son of God (9:30).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Holy Spirit, 3rd person in the Godhead. He will bear witness of Jesus (John 14:26; 15:26).
[/TD]
[TD]The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9).
[/TD]
[TD]Salvation by sincerity and works (3:135; 7:8-9; 21:47; 49:14; 66:8-9).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]The Devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12-15).
[/TD]
[TD]The Devil, Satan, is not a fallen angel, but a fallen Jinn (2:34; 7:12; 15:27; 55:15).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man is fallen, a sinner (Rom. 3:23).
[/TD]
[TD]Man is basically good.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Disciples were Christians (Acts 11:26).
[/TD]
[TD]Disciples declare themselves Muslims (5:111).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2).
[/TD]
[TD]Worship on Friday (62:9).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc.).
[/TD]
[TD]No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc.).
[/TD]
[TD]Makes no prophecies.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

If you take Jesus Christ out of the equation you are mislead, you may say not much is changed but I would say that by changing a little, you have changed salvation, man is born into sin, but in truth you may become righteous and overcome, God bless!
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Your chart is almost entirely incorrect regarding the meanings in the Koran column.

The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible...thus, it cannot be too far off the Biblical mark.

If you replace the Koran header with 'islam'....then you would be more accurate...as islam is a failed attempt at interpreting the Koran.
 
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nathan3

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We have to study and consider much much more scripture to get the answer. The whole world takes part in the system healed by Satan ( Rev 13: 1 ) The one that is worshiped is the Dragon ( Rev. 13: 4 ) The Dragon is Satan ( Rev 12:9 ). The mystery babble or Confusion is that all the world does not know the difference an falls to the Deception. ( Rev 13: 11 ; II Thess 2 ).

It is Not America .It is Satan, leading the whole world ( Rev 13: 13 ) etc. The whole world takes part because NO ONE, heeded Christs warnings about this . So much so you have people guessing at it much like yourself . Why ? because no one will get into Gods WORD ! : ( The Entire World will be deceived , save the Elect. Because the Elect care enough about Their Heavenly Father, to take His word for things and study all His words.
 
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nathan3

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Antichrist, is against Christ. But this is not what anti means in Greek it was taken from. And its very necessary when studying these truths ; to know the Greek and Hebrew by looking them up. A good copy of the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible , can help a great deal.

Greek - Anti -

ἀντί

anti

an-tee'

A primary particle;
{opposite} that {is} instead or because of


The who teaching of Christ, about the antichrist, is that he comes instead of Christ. Paul taught this in II Thess 2. And its taught by Christ in Mark 13 & Revelation .
 
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gocardinals25

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[h=3]2 Corinthians 11:3[/h]But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
 
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nathan3

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gocardinals25 said:
[h=3]2 Corinthians 11:3[/h]But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
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you should check out that word in the Greek, its beguiled in the kjv. and the greek gives a fuller meaning. Satan is mentioned repeatedly throughout the scriptures for a reason.
 
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SpiritofFire

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gocardinals25 said:
Well let us be understanding of who exactly that deceiver of the world truly is,
Satan.
Growing mad on idols? playstation 3, celphones,computers,alcohol, etc.,
To be antichrist what is the meaning of antichrist? to be the opposite of Christ or not like Christ
Jesus Christ walked with his disciples a perfect image of what man should be: healing, loving every man as he loved himself, knowing truth,joy,family,these things do not cost money,because as we all know that money is truly the root of all evil and Jesus was perfect.
The word in flesh,the word is perfect without blemish, the word was the truth, and salvation is knowing truth & faith by grace.
Men are born into sin corrupted at birth,all things that lead to evil materialism,weapons,alcohol,drugs,wealth,corruption,pornography, there are things that we see every day, these are antichrist. Satan has had plenty of time to mislead us, he has had centuries to blind us, to create idols,to gather wealth, to bring God shame in seeing his people so mislead, so blind in faith, turning man against man, creating conceit,division,pride,war, all of these things are developed through the deceiver, money is the root of all evil, not evil, but the root which
grows and grows, all satan has to do is plant the seed and set it in front of you and await destruction.
Could satan have very well influenced or created these things that lead to sin drugs,alcohol,the internet(when used for all the wrong reasons),
all events in the history of the world have been influenced by this deceiver, do not be deceived, and please do not mislead yourself to destruction.
This is how America could very well be mystery babylon of revelations


Also, let us take a little look at the differences between the Holy Bible and the quran for religious confusion purposes:


[TABLE="class: carm-table-with-border"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Bible[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Qur'an[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19;2 Cor. 13:14).[/TD]
[TD]Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus is God in flesh (Col. 2:9).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus is not God (5:17, 75).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was crucified (1 Pet. 2:24).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus rose from the dead (John 2:19-20).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus did not rise from the dead.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 1:1).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not the Son of God (9:30).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Holy Spirit, 3rd person in the Godhead. He will bear witness of Jesus (John 14:26; 15:26).[/TD]
[TD]The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9).[/TD]
[TD]Salvation by sincerity and works (3:135; 7:8-9; 21:47; 49:14; 66:8-9).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]The Devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12-15).[/TD]
[TD]The Devil, Satan, is not a fallen angel, but a fallen Jinn (2:34; 7:12; 15:27; 55:15).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man is fallen, a sinner (Rom. 3:23).[/TD]
[TD]Man is basically good.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Disciples were Christians (Acts 11:26).[/TD]
[TD]Disciples declare themselves Muslims (5:111).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2).[/TD]
[TD]Worship on Friday (62:9).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]Makes no prophecies.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

If you take Jesus Christ out of the equation you are mislead, you may say not much is changed but I would say that by changing a little, you have changed salvation, man is born into sin, but in truth you may become righteous and overcome, God bless!
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PS3's and televisions are not the idols we are worshipping. These things are made to be enjoyed. But we let the system of money (buying and selling) rule over us. Some people would send others to hell just for not being Christian. But thousands die everyday for lack of something we make.

Those who are dying are also made after the similitude of God.
 
mystdancer50

mystdancer50

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Mystery Babylon is New Age Spiritualism, not America, though it does reside here.
 
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gocardinals25

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Anything that would take your time and eyes off of God would be considered an idol how much life have people wasted on a game system, but see the whole point is so that you would not know
 
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SpiritofFire

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gocardinals25 said:
Anything that would take your time and eyes off of God would be considered an idol how much life have people wasted on a game system, but see the whole point is so that you would not know
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Again a game system!? Again if our eyes are on God, then why do so many children die of preventable starvation?
 
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gocardinals25

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SpiritofFire said:
Again a game system!? Again if our eyes are on God, then why do so many children die of preventable starvation?
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Have you ever thought that if Satan has not deceived the entire world with wealth,greed,pride,division, etc., that these children would not be starving
 
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gocardinals25

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Our father in heaven knows that not one of us can save the world but we can at least know the truth
 
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GreenNnice

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"Antichrists' are ALL around us. Don't read too much into the word. it;s not some weird demonic thing, it's simply those who not ONLY deny christ, but ALSO are fervently and bitterly moving on those who could choose Him and on those who have half-chosen Him. Read the parable of the sower for more info on this, some seed falls on good ground, some goes into the air and is toast and some falls among thorns and starts to grow and gets choked off , which, incidentally, is those who start to grow in Christ's knowedge and then get cut off. and, stony ground too, who are those who grow in the faith but without 'roots,' or, a firm foundation laid, they go and build there foundation somewhere else which is a no-no and Christ says something of this nature in 1 Corinthians 3 :)
 
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gocardinals25

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Revelation 18:16 saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls;
 
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gocardinals25

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[h=3]Revelation 18:4[/h][h=3]4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[/h]
 
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Saved_Forever

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Bowman said:
Your chart is almost entirely incorrect regarding the meanings in the Koran column.

The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible...thus, it cannot be too far off the Biblical mark.

If you replace the Koran header with 'islam'....then you would be more accurate...as islam is a failed attempt at interpreting the Koran.
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Huh?

The Quran IS the holy book of Islam!!! The Quran is far from being the same as the Bible. No way. They are opposites of one another! There are no failed attempts at interpreting the Quran. It is written as a direct opposite of the Bible. Just as the chart indicates, especially about Jesus!
 
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gocardinals25

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Whichever way you look at it the Holy Bible is the word of God do not be deceived Jesus Christ is your savior
 
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