What is Antichrist? How could America be mystery babylon? Bible or Quran?

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Jul 26, 2013
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Have you ever thought that if Satan has not deceived the entire world with wealth,greed,pride,division, etc., that these children would not be starving
I only see men doing this. All we have to do to feed them is to stop basing if one should eat if that one can afford it. No one yet has told me one thing we need money for. It is only a tool of oppression.
 
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IJh. 2:18 "Little Children, it is the last hour and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour." 1Jh.4:3 "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." Who?, is the Antichrist, the real one who will come at the end of the age and pretend to be the Christ, I believe he will be the "man ofsin who will make (reaffirm) a peace treaty with the Jews and the Muslims. I think He will be a Muslim clergy, a Muslim Messiah, who will have power with the Muslims ,so they follow him and the Jews will accept his peace, because secular Israel does not care who gives them peace , they just want peace. Daniel calls him the king of the South. Revelation calls him the beast 17:8 who comes "out of the bottomless pit and will go to perdition" He will be killed, but rise from the dead, and thus be the 7th and the 8th king, 17:11 ,. He will have ten horns, Kings, who will reign with him for one hour. They will destroy the mystery ,Babylon, that wicked "great city." But Jesus will destroy him, when Jesus come back to rule. This is a mystery, for sure, I can not wait to see how it is all played out,BUT, I think, the Church of Christ will be gone by the time the Antichrist rules. I hope so! Love to all, Hoffco
 

Drett

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Well let us be understanding of who exactly that deceiver of the world truly is,
Satan.
Growing mad on idols? playstation 3, celphones,computers,alcohol, etc.,
To be antichrist what is the meaning of antichrist? to be the opposite of Christ or not like Christ
Jesus Christ walked with his disciples a perfect image of what man should be: healing, loving every man as he loved himself, knowing truth,joy,family,these things do not cost money,because as we all know that money is truly the root of all evil and Jesus was perfect.
The word in flesh,the word is perfect without blemish, the word was the truth, and salvation is knowing truth & faith by grace.
Men are born into sin corrupted at birth,all things that lead to evil materialism,weapons,alcohol,drugs,wealth,corruption,pornography, there are things that we see every day, these are antichrist. Satan has had plenty of time to mislead us, he has had centuries to blind us, to create idols,to gather wealth, to bring God shame in seeing his people so mislead, so blind in faith, turning man against man, creating conceit,division,pride,war, all of these things are developed through the deceiver, money is the root of all evil, not evil, but the root which
grows and grows, all satan has to do is plant the seed and set it in front of you and await destruction.
Could satan have very well influenced or created these things that lead to sin drugs,alcohol,the internet(when used for all the wrong reasons),
all events in the history of the world have been influenced by this deceiver, do not be deceived, and please do not mislead yourself to destruction.
This is how America could very well be mystery babylon of revelations


Also, let us take a little look at the differences between the Holy Bible and the quran for religious confusion purposes:


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[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Bible[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EAF2FF"]Qur'an[/TD]
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[TD]Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19;2 Cor. 13:14).[/TD]
[TD]Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).[/TD]
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[TD]Jesus is God in flesh (Col. 2:9).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus is not God (5:17, 75).[/TD]
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[TD]Jesus was crucified (1 Pet. 2:24).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).[/TD]
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[TD]Jesus rose from the dead (John 2:19-20).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus did not rise from the dead.[/TD]
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[TD]Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 1:1).[/TD]
[TD]Jesus was not the Son of God (9:30).[/TD]
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[TD]Holy Spirit, 3rd person in the Godhead. He will bear witness of Jesus (John 14:26; 15:26).[/TD]
[TD]The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).[/TD]
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[TD]Salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9).[/TD]
[TD]Salvation by sincerity and works (3:135; 7:8-9; 21:47; 49:14; 66:8-9).[/TD]
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[TD]The Devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12-15).[/TD]
[TD]The Devil, Satan, is not a fallen angel, but a fallen Jinn (2:34; 7:12; 15:27; 55:15).[/TD]
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[TD]Man is fallen, a sinner (Rom. 3:23).[/TD]
[TD]Man is basically good.[/TD]
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[TD]Disciples were Christians (Acts 11:26).[/TD]
[TD]Disciples declare themselves Muslims (5:111).[/TD]
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[TD]Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2).[/TD]
[TD]Worship on Friday (62:9).[/TD]
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[TD]Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle.[/TD]
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[TD]Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc.).[/TD]
[TD]Makes no prophecies.[/TD]
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If you take Jesus Christ out of the equation you are mislead, you may say not much is changed but I would say that by changing a little, you have changed salvation, man is born into sin, but in truth you may become righteous and overcome, God bless!
The bottom two are incorrect.
 
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Antichrist is the pope
Babylon is the catholic church
Are you interested about the mark of the beast? The Bible says those that have the mark will be tortured with fire and brimstone. If you want to know what the mark is, then visit this URL john1429.org and watch the video entitled "the mark of the beast". God bless you!
 
Nov 19, 2012
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Huh?

The Quran IS the holy book of Islam!!! The Quran is far from being the same as the Bible. No way. They are opposites of one another! There are no failed attempts at interpreting the Quran. It is written as a direct opposite of the Bible. Just as the chart indicates, especially about Jesus!
The authors of the Koran have only praise for their source material, the Holy Bible.

The paraphrased and set to rhyme manner in which the Koran was written is what has most people confused.

Jesus was crucified until death in the Koran, raised on the third day, will judge mankind, IS God, IS the Son, etc, etc....same as declared in the Holy Bible.

Much of this original truth has been lost to centuries of islamic ignorance to their Arabic tongue.

I have studied Koranic Arabic for the past 15 years, and truth be told, the islamic perception on MOST everything in their Koran is completely and utterly incorrect.

The Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify islamic interpretation of the Koran.

This is just the way that it is...
 
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gocardinals25

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The authors of the Koran have only praise for their source material, the Holy Bible.

The paraphrased and set to rhyme manner in which the Koran was written is what has most people confused.

Jesus was crucified until death in the Koran, raised on the third day, will judge mankind, IS God, IS the Son, etc, etc....same as declared in the Holy Bible.

Much of this original truth has been lost to centuries of islamic ignorance to their Arabic tongue.

I have studied Koranic Arabic for the past 15 years, and truth be told, the islamic perception on MOST everything in their Koran is completely and utterly incorrect.

The Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify islamic interpretation of the Koran.

This is just the way that it is...
I dont believe this whatsoever, please post scripture supporting these claims
 
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doulos

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Revelation 18:16 saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls;
Let’s not forget that Babylon contains the blood of ALL slain upon the earth. For Babylon to contain the blood of all slain upon the earth she can not be constrained by time or location.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth

Babylon has existed from the time Cain murdered Abel and will continue to exist until the last person to be slain before Christ’s return is slain. This effectively eliminates any one city or religion. Babylon can not be constrained by time or location!
 
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doulos

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IJh. 2:18 "Little Children, it is the last hour and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour." 1Jh.4:3 "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." Who?, is the Antichrist, the real one who will come at the end of the age and pretend to be the Christ, I believe he will be the "man ofsin who will make (reaffirm) a peace treaty with the Jews and the Muslims. I think He will be a Muslim clergy, a Muslim Messiah, who will have power with the Muslims ,so they follow him and the Jews will accept his peace, because secular Israel does not care who gives them peace , they just want peace. Daniel calls him the king of the South. Revelation calls him the beast 17:8 who comes "out of the bottomless pit and will go to perdition" He will be killed, but rise from the dead, and thus be the 7th and the 8th king, 17:11 ,. He will have ten horns, Kings, who will reign with him for one hour. They will destroy the mystery ,Babylon, that wicked "great city." But Jesus will destroy him, when Jesus come back to rule. This is a mystery, for sure, I can not wait to see how it is all played out,BUT, I think, the Church of Christ will be gone by the time the Antichrist rules. I hope so! Love to all, Hoffco
Let’s leave the Scripturally bankrupt guess work theology out of it. Please show me which of the only 4 verses (quoted for your convenience) that use the term antichrist or antichrists says that antichrist is an endtime world leader?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Satan’s ploy has worked well. Sadly the word antichrist, which should be an every day term to describe anyone who denies Christ (muslims, atheists etc… and the list goes on and on) has been hijacked. How much more soul searching might those antichrists do if the term was applied and used as intended! As a result many Christians duped by this false teaching are so focused on a ficticous boogeyman that will supposedly rule the world in the end they have neglected to focus on the billions of antichrists that surround us in today’s world.

Concerning the man of sin, once again Scripture makes no mention of him being an end time world ruler, sadly once again that belief is a product of doctrine not Scripture. If you want to gain an understanding of the man of sin you must first understand what/where the temple of God is. The temple of God is not some man made building the Jews may or may not build (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). To understand what/where the temple of God is may I suggest studying 1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16, and Eph2;19-22. If you want to find an understand the man of sin then you must look for him where he sitteth.

Scripture tells us beasts are kingdoms, and history proves God’s Word true with Daniel’s lion being Babylon, the bear being Medo-Persia and the leopard being Greece.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Can you show us where the unchanging God/Word has changed the definition of a beast from a kingdom to the antichrist? If not then wouldn’t we better served to use the definition the unchanging God/Word provides for a beast for the composite leopard, bear and lion beast and the 2 horned beast of Rev13?
 
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doulos

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The bottom two are incorrect.
Why are they incorrect? The 6[SUP]th[/SUP] century, illiterate, lying, theiving, murdering (per islam’s own writings) false prophet mohammad’s flying donkey ride wasn’t a miracle, it is just another of mohammad’s lies. As for as prophecy goes it isn’t true prophecy unless it was given by a real prophet. The 6[SUP]th[/SUP] century, illiterate, lying, thieving, child doing (per islams own writing’s) is not a prophet from God but instead a tool of satan’s that has been leading those (people like you) who have been duped into following mohammad’s antichrist teaching that God has no Son into becoming antichrists and has been leading them to perdition for 1400 years! Isn’t it time you set aside the 23 year record of the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] century, illiterate, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing false prophet you flollow and started following the 1600 year record of the prophets and Christ that lead to the one true God?
 
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Antichrist is the pope
Babylon is the catholic church
Are you interested about the mark of the beast? The Bible says those that have the mark will be tortured with fire and brimstone. If you want to know what the mark is, then visit this URL john1429.org and watch the video entitled "the mark of the beast". God bless you!
The pope isn’t antichrist!

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Doesn’t the Pope teach and believe that Christ is the Son of God that was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day? How does one who believes and teaches that meet the Scriptural definition of an antichrist? Which of the 4 verses (the only verses that use the term antichrist) is the pope guilty of transgressing?

Babylon is not the Catholic church!
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Did the Catholic church exist when Cain murdered Abel? No it did not. So how can the catholic church contain the blood of those slain before Catholicism existed? For Babylon to contain the blood of ALL that were slain upon the earth she had to exist from the time Cain murdered Abel on into our future when the last person to be slain on this earth is slain. For Rev18:24 to be true and it is then we must recognize that Babylon is not constrained by time or location, which effectively eliminates any literal city or single religion.

Isn’t it time people set aside the Scripturally bankrupt Catholic bashing doctrines of men?
 
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The authors of the Koran have only praise for their source material, the Holy Bible.

The paraphrased and set to rhyme manner in which the Koran was written is what has most people confused.

Jesus was crucified until death in the Koran, raised on the third day, will judge mankind, IS God, IS the Son, etc, etc....same as declared in the Holy Bible.

Much of this original truth has been lost to centuries of islamic ignorance to their Arabic tongue.

I have studied Koranic Arabic for the past 15 years, and truth be told, the islamic perception on MOST everything in their Koran is completely and utterly incorrect.

The Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify islamic interpretation of the Koran.

This is just the way that it is...
Can you show us quotes from the quran backing your ridiculous claims? I don't know what quran you read or studied but it must certainly be a different quran then the ones I have read. islam is a false religion that has been leading the poor misled muslims to perdition with it's antichrist belief that God has no Son.
 
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I dont believe this whatsoever, please post scripture supporting these claims


Let's start at the top of your chart...

The concept of the Biblical Trinity.

One such Koranic ayah (which, ironically Muslims are trained to use all the time for their position) actually plainly states that the Trinity is not “three”, but instead, it is “one”, and then proceeds to list out Father, Son, and Spirit…


يأهل الكتب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله
إلا الحق إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله
وكلمته ألقيها إلى مريم وروح منه فءامنوا بالله
ورسله ولا تقولوا ثلثة انتهوا خيرا لكم إنما الله
إله وحد سبحنه أن يكون له ولد له ما في
السموت وما في الأرض وكفى بالله وكيلا

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, certainly do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah” except The Truth (is) only the Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe on account of “allah”, and His messengers, and they do not say: "Three." Refrain (it is) agreeable certainly your only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly His what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and He sufficed on account of “allah”, a witness.



Observe that this ayah is directed at ‘The Book’s family’ (ahla alkitabi) – which refers to the followers of the Holy Bible; i.e. Christians.

For the Muslim, it then gives instruction as to what the correct interpretation of the Holy Bible needs to be regarding (among numerous things), the concept of the Trinity.


In this classic Islamic one-hit-wonder we are told not to refer to the one “allah” as “Three”, as even his messengers do not say “Three” - because he is not the result of counted things (thalathatun)….and yet, in the very ayah itself it lists-out directly, Father, Son, & Spirit.

This is a classic Koranic example in which the authors display their understanding of the Biblical concept of the Holy Trinity, and give the example of what it is not by the usage of the word “Three”…and what it is, by the example of “one”.


No denial of the Trinity in the original Arabic...only in the mind of islam...and then, later, into everyone who muslims come into contact with...

Agreed?
 
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Let's start at the top of your chart...

The concept of the Biblical Trinity.

One such Koranic ayah (which, ironically Muslims are trained to use all the time for their position) actually plainly states that the Trinity is not “three”, but instead, it is “one”, and then proceeds to list out Father, Son, and Spirit…


يأهل الكتب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله
إلا الحق إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله
وكلمته ألقيها إلى مريم وروح منه فءامنوا بالله
ورسله ولا تقولوا ثلثة انتهوا خيرا لكم إنما الله
إله وحد سبحنه أن يكون له ولد له ما في
السموت وما في الأرض وكفى بالله وكيلا

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, certainly do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah” except The Truth (is) only the Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe on account of “allah”, and His messengers, and they do not say: "Three." Refrain (it is) agreeable certainly your only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly His what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and He sufficed on account of “allah”, a witness.



Observe that this ayah is directed at ‘The Book’s family’ (ahla alkitabi) – which refers to the followers of the Holy Bible; i.e. Christians.

For the Muslim, it then gives instruction as to what the correct interpretation of the Holy Bible needs to be regarding (among numerous things), the concept of the Trinity.


In this classic Islamic one-hit-wonder we are told not to refer to the one “allah” as “Three”, as even his messengers do not say “Three” - because he is not the result of counted things (thalathatun)….and yet, in the very ayah itself it lists-out directly, Father, Son, & Spirit.

This is a classic Koranic example in which the authors display their understanding of the Biblical concept of the Holy Trinity, and give the example of what it is not by the usage of the word “Three”…and what it is, by the example of “one”.


No denial of the Trinity in the original Arabic...only in the mind of islam...and then, later, into everyone who muslims come into contact with...

Agreed?
Bowman I just had a question for you, could you please explain your profile picture stating that The Son is God,The Father is God, But the Father is not the Son
 
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gocardinals25

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And I do not agree, if you would agree that God and the prophets made a mistake the first time then you might fall for that but God makes no mistakes it is all written in the Holy Bible
 
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Bowman I just had a question for you, could you please explain your profile picture stating that The Son is God,The Father is God, But the Father is not the Son

Sure...this is the orthodox Trinity shield which represents the 12 deity combos of the Triune God as revealed in the Holy Bible.

As scripture declares, the Son is not the Father and visa-versa...however, each is the ONE God.
 
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gocardinals25

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Sure...this is the orthodox Trinity shield which represents the 12 deity combos of the Triune God as revealed in the Holy Bible.

As scripture declares, the Son is not the Father and visa-versa...however, each is the ONE God.
[h=3]John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.[/h][h=3]John 1:14
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.[/h]
 
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gocardinals25

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So are you saying that when Jesus said that noone comes to the father except through him that he had made a mistake? That you could just worship God alone? You are so very wrong!
 
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So are you saying that when Jesus said that noone comes to the father except through him that he had made a mistake? That you could just worship God alone? You are so very wrong!
Its a package deal.

He who has the Son also has the Father.

The Son is the one God, just as the Father and the Spirit are likewise the one God.

True Christians are Trinitarian.
 
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gocardinals25

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The quran does not support this so are you saying that it does? You are very confusing