What is Christ going to steal when He comes as a thief?

[dcontroversal]

Yes. And so He can come as a thief, yet not overtake the saints as thief. That's the point. That's how He can be a thief in one sense and not in the full sense. So glad you brought that point out.

And that is exactly right...His coming is as a thief to the world and those religious who are in darkness and false belief...but to those who know the signs of the times and are clued in by the word of God it is not as a thief.......like Paul said, But brethren you are not in darkness that that day should over take you as a thief.......

 

[thebesttrees]

It is figurative....as in unexpected and when all things are taken into account it is unexpected because of the events that take place prior to his coming....Paul told the church at Thessalonica that the coming of Christ would not overtake them as a thief because they are of the day and can see the signs concerning the coming of Christ!

What are some of the signs that only some can see and others can miss? Please provide references from the Bible.

 

[thebesttrees]

And that is exactly right...His coming is as a thief to the world and those religious who are in darkness and false belief...but to those who know the signs of the times and are clued in by the word of God it is not as a thief.......like Paul said, But brethren you are not in darkness that that day should over take you as a thief.......

What are some of the signs that only some can see and others can miss? Please provide references from the Bible.

 

[Jason0047]

No. I did not explicitly say you were Satan, nor did I intend to suggest you were. I do not recall calling you Satan.

You strongly implied that I was Satan here.

Nevertheless, I apparently wrote something that gave you that impression. I should not have. I apologize. Jason, you are not Satan. Not at all. I appreciate very much your references to the bible. And you do take a lot of stuff and don't fire back.

It's okay. I forgive you. But I will not tolerate any future false slander or name calling. You are going to have to earn my trust again and promise never to set out to falsely talk against any believer in a hurtful way (Whether it is me or your next door neighbor).

 

[mpaper345]

The reason that Jesus is going to come as a thief in the night is to separate the ones that are true to Him from the ones that are hypocritical.

That is why Jesus said watch for you do not know when I come,for if you knew when the thief would come to break in to your house,you would not have allowed your house to be broken up.

If Jesus told the saints when He would be back,then the hypocrites could act hypocritical and then at the last moment repent of their sins and be saved,so Jesus will come as a thief in the night to separate the ones who are true to Him from the hypocrites,which Jesus said when He comes back if He catches someone being a hypocrite,they will not be with Him.

Jesus will come as a thief in the night to separate the true saints from the imposters,the hypocrites.

 

[thebesttrees]

The reason that Jesus is going to come as a thief in the night is to separate the ones that are true to Him from the ones that are hypocritical.

That is why Jesus said watch for you do not know when I come,for if you knew when the thief would come to break in to your house,you would not have allowed your house to be broken up.

If Jesus told the saints when He would be back,then the hypocrites could act hypocritical and then at the last moment repent of their sins and be saved,so Jesus will come as a thief in the night to separate the ones who are true to Him from the hypocrites,which Jesus said when He comes back if He catches someone being a hypocrite,they will not be with Him.

Jesus will come as a thief in the night to separate the true saints from the imposters,the hypocrites.

I agree with you. Yet there are so many other words that could have been used that imply "stealth", "quiet", etc. A thief is stealthy and quiet but his primary objective is to STEAL and ROB.

 

[Jason0047]

I agree with you. Yet there are so many other words that could have been used that imply "stealth", "quiet", etc. A thief is stealthy and quiet but his primary objective is to STEAL and ROB.

I noticed 1 Thessalonians 5:4 was before here. It says,

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

So the one being overtaken or surprised by Christ's unexpected coming like a thief is the person who did not believe Jesus in being ready at any moment by:

(a) Always be watchful for his return at any moment.
(b) By being ready (meaning they live righteously for Him).

Those who are being robbed are the unfaithful believers who were not looking for Him.

 

[Jason0047]

They are taken by surprise unexpectedly by the Rapture in the fact that they were not a part of it and they are left behind. This of course is a cold splash of water to many in the church today who are asleep and who hold to a sin and still be saved doctrine.

For they are going to wonder why they were left behind and if they hear about how only those believers who were faithful had been taken home, then they will repent of their sins and the wrong belief that they held for so long.

 

[dcontroversal]

What are some of the signs that only some can see and others can miss? Please provide references from the Bible.

I don't think it is necessarily any one particular sign, but rather a mindset concerning numerous signs and world wide events....When the great tribulation comes and the human population has been decimated by the events of Revelation including WW3, mass starvation, disease etc. the majority of the world lies in darkness and does not believe in Jesus, much less his return....The majority of Christiandom believes in the imminent return of Christ and will lose faith and apostate from the truth because they erroneously believe that Jesus can come at any minute and then the tribulation hits and they will think they have missed the resurrection/change (coming of Jesus and our gathering).....The signs of Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13 have erroneously been applied unto Israel, while a misunderstanding of the fact that Jesus was not teaching the Jews, but his disciples which made up his 1st true N.T. church....and the universal application is unto his church and the disciples that make up the church in any time frame that is alive when the end of the age comes..........without a doubt there are things that are applicable unto Israel at the end of the age...the key to the above three quoted books is the fact that he was teaching HIS DISCIPLES......

 

[dcontroversal]

They are taken by surprise unexpectedly by the Rapture in the fact that they were not a part of it and they are left behind. This of course is a cold splash of water to many in the church today who are asleep and who hold to a sin and still be saved doctrine.

For they are going to wonder why they were left behind and if they hear about how only those believers who were faithful had been taken home, then they will repent of their sins and the wrong belief that they held for so long.

This is a lie and deceptive....Paul said the dead in Christ will rise and WE which are alive and remain will be changed.....there will be no saved left and a split rapture is false and contrary to the truth.......you should study more before you open your mouth Jason!

 

[Jason0047]

This is a lie and deceptive....Paul said the dead in Christ will rise and WE which are alive and remain will be changed.....there will be no saved left and a split rapture is false and contrary to the truth.......you should study more before you open your mouth Jason!

There is going to be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Bible is very clear on this.

Pre-Trib Rapture.

versus the...

Gathering of Elect Before Christ's Second Coming.

Then there are the clues or breadcrumbs of the Pre-Trib Rapture, too.

Pre-Trib Rapture is paralleled in Genesis and Revelation.

Those who say the Lord is delaying His Coming.

Comparing the Trumpet of Blessing vs. the Trumpet of Judgment.

Knowing the Timing of Period Called "Wrath" and Realizing We are not Appointed Unto "Wrath."

However, you have to realize that the Pre-Trib is the only position where a person has the most to lose.

Those who say everything has been fulfilled already have not truly believed Revelation at face value. For anyone who is honest with themselves in reading it will see that none of the major things in Revelation have happened yet.

Mid Trib view is false because you have a population problem with the Anti-Christ killing the saints during this time.

Post Trib view is false because we are not appointed unto Wrath.

Saying there is no Rapture means you have not read the Rapture verses with an open mind.

 

[dcontroversal]

There is going to be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Bible is very clear on this.

Pre-Trib Rapture.

versus the...

Gathering of Elect Before Christ's Second Coming.

Then there are the clues or breadcrumbs of the Pre-Trib Rapture, too.

Pre-Trib Rapture is paralleled in Genesis and Revelation.

Those who say the Lord is delaying His Coming.

Comparing the Trumpet of Blessing vs. the Trumpet of Judgment.

Knowing the Timing of Period Called "Wrath" and Realizing We are not Appointed Unto "Wrath."

However, you have to realize that the Pre-Trib is the only position where a person has the most to lose.

Those who say everything has been fulfilled already have not truly believed Revelation at face value. For anyone who is honest with themselves in reading it will see that none of the major things in Revelation have happened yet.

Mid Trib view is false because you have a population problem with the Anti-Christ killing the saints during this time.

Post Trib view is false because we are not appointed unto Wrath.

Saying there is no Rapture means you have not read the Rapture verses with an open mind.

There is no pre-trib rapture......it is post trib pre-wrath.......and even Paul's writings covers this extensively to the Thessalonian assembly and your view denies so many verses in context that it makes me want to spew.....I used to believe what you believe and then after study, 26 years of study on this specific event the scriptures do not jive with a pre-trib lie.....

1 set of verses in context proves it a lie....

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3 states clearly that two things MUST take place before the coming of Jesus and our gathering together unto him...

1. The man of sin revealed the SON of Perdition
2. The complete apostatization of humanity........

Jesus said clearly in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 that the GATHERING would not take place till AFTER the great tribulation of those days and the 1 resurrection of the BLESSED SAVED does not take place till after the murder and be-heading of those who refuse to take the mark of the beast...........

The pre-trib rapture is a fabrication and it is false!

 

[Jason0047]

The End Times saint who is not killed by the Anti-Christ has to be ready and watching, as well (So as not to be ovetaken like a thief who surprises someone). For the surviving End Times saint who is faithful and looking for Christ's return will be taken up by the Lord so as to fight at Armageddon.

At the rapture, the LORD calls His church up to a wedding/marriage

• Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

But at the second coming to earth, He is returning from a wedding

• Luke 12:36

And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

 

[Jason0047]

There is no pre-trib rapture......it is post trib pre-wrath.......and even Paul's writings covers this extensively to the Thessalonian assembly and your view denies so many verses in context that it makes me want to spew.....I used to believe what you believe and then after study, 26 years of study on this specific event the scriptures do not jive with a pre-trib lie.....

1 set of verses in context proves it a lie....

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3 states clearly that two things MUST take place before the coming of Jesus and our gathering together unto him...

1. The man of sin revealed the SON of Perdition
2. The complete apostatization of humanity........

Jesus said clearly in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 that the GATHERING would not take place till AFTER the great tribulation of those days and the 1 resurrection of the BLESSED SAVED does not take place till after the murder and be-heading of those who refuse to take the mark of the beast...........

The pre-trib rapture is a fabrication and it is false!

I have already discussed 2 Thessalonians 2 with you before. Going over it again in what it says is not going to help you if you are not open or willing to see it.

 

[phil112]

Yes. And so He can come as a thief, yet not overtake the saints as thief. That's the point. That's how He can be a thief in one sense and not in the full sense. So glad you brought that point out.

All the regular fussing starts on every thread. I didn't see anyone take the OP to task for this thread.
You're too busy bickering.
This title is sacrilegious. If the op was serious, he is more naive than a newbie.
If he was being funny, sacrilege is not funny.
Christ owns everything we see, hear, touch, smell, and sense. It is impossible for an owner to steal his own stuff.

To state the obvious, as a thief comes quietly in the night, so will the end come. When we least expect it, when we say peace and comfort, Christ will return.

 

[VioletReigns]

One of the most shocking and unexpected things I ever experienced was having God unmistakably reveal Himself to me. It was upsetting, and disturbing. I was set against God, and resisted. I did not want to believe He really existed. I had been seeking spiritual truth for years, but when it came right down to it, I was not looking for God. God knows the lost are not seeking Him. However traumatizing, it was as if the question were put to me once and for all: would I believe? In my own power, of my own self, governed by my desires in the natural self and according to the flesh which is enmity to God, I could not. I needed to be spiritually circumcised.

I would like to hear your testimony sometime, Sister! Bless God!

 

[dcontroversal]

I have already discussed 2 Thessalonians 2 with you before. Going over it again in what it says is not going to help you if you are not open or willing to see it.

You should take your own advice.....you will find out that you are wrong on many things.....A grandsville sharp is found in 2nd Thessalonians 2 which you reject and the context is the (rapture)

 

[dcontroversal]

All the regular fussing starts on every thread. I didn't see anyone take the OP to task for this thread.
You're too busy bickering.
This title is sacrilegious. If the op was serious, he is more naive than a newbie.
If he was being funny, sacrilege is not funny.
Christ owns everything we see, hear, touch, smell, and sense. It is impossible for an owner to steal his own stuff.

To state the obvious, as a thief comes quietly in the night, so will the end come. When we least expect it, when we say peace and comfort, Christ will return.

Hey Phil....I disagree...

1. For when THEY shall say peace and safety<---they is not we nor us.......

and Paul told the church at Thessalonica that they were not in darkness that that day should overtake them as a thief....we can see the signs of the time and know that it is near.....

Other than that...peace out bro!

 

[Hepzibah]

What Christ comes to steal, or take away, are the filthy rags of the hypocrites, leaving them naked, like Adam and Eve found themselves when they became aware of God. His presence reveals man for what he is, either clothed in righteousness, or in the filthy works of the flesh, trying to serve God from their own ideas and therefore making themselves idols.

 

[Jason0047]

Hey Phil....I disagree...

1. For when THEY shall say peace and safety<---they is not we nor us.......

and Paul told the church at Thessalonica that they were not in darkness that that day should overtake them as a thief....we can see the signs of the time and know that it is near.....

Other than that...peace out bro!

Nobody knows the time of Christ's return. Saying it is around the time of when you think it says kind of dispells that line of thinking.