What is hyper grace........

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.

I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.

She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat. She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus - even present sins and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.

Did this make her want to go out and sin all she wanted now? Of course not. A thousand times NO! It makes us fall deeper in love with our Lord as we see what He has done for us in His finished work on the cross.

Here is a direct QUOTE:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?

"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."

UNQUOTE:

She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.

Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.

Source: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904

 

[Willie-T]

Since I've been taken to school about making implications isn't actually direct accusations, I'm gonna try my new skills.

I hear so many today in these threads telling lies to support their beliefs on this radical grace started back in 1997, It amazes me that they will do anything to win their argument. "The end justifies the means" definitely comes to mind.

Since there's no such thing as a legalist on this site, I guess those that make up this strawman are liars. Storytellers. Myth makers

New American Standard Bible
1 Timothy 4:7
But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;

2 Timothy 4
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths

New American Standard Bible
2 Peter 1:16
For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

I've also heard the term "heretic hunter" come up quite often, which IMO that such "name callers" ought to get their "story" straight, for the term is totally inaccurate.

It should actually be..... watch this..... "Mythbuster"

How many times have you read where someone here typed that we have to ask God for forgiveness each and every time we do something wrong? Many say God cannot and will not forgive us unless we make a special petition for forgiveness to cover each new mistake in our living.

Am I stating the truth? Or do you think this is a lie? Are these not just about the exact words you have read right here dozens of times?

 

[Stephen63]

I agree...

I have come to the conclusion - if people are not going to exhibit good behavior in discussions - then I'm not interacting with them. This stops the continuous bickering back and forth which results in the potential for all of us to miss it and sometimes we all are going to see things differently in some areas.

Well, good for you! I can't wait to see you start doing this! Really, I'm waiting.....

 

[Stephen63]

How many times have you read where someone here typed that we have to ask God for forgiveness each and every time we do something wrong? Many say God cannot and will not forgive us unless we make a special petition for forgiveness to cover each new mistake in our living.

Am I stating the truth? Or do you think this is a lie? Are these not just about the exact words you have read right here dozens of times?

I don't know why you're asking me this question..... what are you talking about?

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is the definition of legalism that I like:

Biblical legalism in the sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation (as in going to be with the Lord for eternity because of His great love and grace towards us in His finished work on the cross and resurrection ) rests upon our "performance" rather than upon the "promises" of Jesus and what He has already done - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace and are living the lie of legalism and it's deceitfulness.

 

[Willie-T]

I don't know why you're asking me this question..... what are you talking about?

Because you flatly stated that there were no Legalists on this forum.

 

[Stephen63]

Because you flatly stated that there were no Legalists on this forum.

Ooohhh.....you're saying christians shouldn't ask for forgiveness when they sin? What's that got to do with legalism?

It's not my fault you believe a myth.

 

[LaurenTM]

hyper grace is like when someone finally gets what God's grace is all about

ok? yeah and then they go all happy and stuff, like, you know?

like yay! kind of thing

yeah

that's hyper grace

I get hyper when I drink Java which is why I stick to Columbiain

no drugs though...although I think I need something for this head thingy stuffy thing I seem to have caught the other day

meh

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ooohhh.....you're saying christians shouldn't ask for forgiveness when they sin? What's that got to do with legalism?

It's not my fault you believe a myth.

the myth is believing people do not think we should confess our sins.. Thats the myth.

But you keep saying it.. like it is true or something.

 

[Willie-T]

Ooohhh.....you're saying christians shouldn't ask for forgiveness when they sin? What's that got to do with legalism?

It's not my fault you believe a myth.

The "death thinking" in this is convincing yourself that you having to make an official act of "asking" is a requirement for forgiveness... that YOU are somehow effecting your own forgiveness because you ask. (God help the poor fool who doesn't understand he has sinned. He is obviously doomed by this way of thinking.)

Personally, I find myself THANKING God, almost daily, that He has, does, and will forgive the messes I make all the time of trying to do His will.

 

[posthuman]

The "death thinking" in this is convincing yourself that you having to make an official act of "asking" is a requirement for forgiveness... that YOU are somehow effecting your own forgiveness because you ask. (God help the poor fool who doesn't understand he has sinned. He is obviously doomed by this way of thinking.)

Personally, I find myself THANKING God, almost daily, that He has, does, and will forgive the messes I make all the time of trying to do His will.

this is kind of the same thinking i have about the origin of my faith in Him - that me "making a decision" to "ask" Him to save me is somehow effecting my salvation . . ? like, "i'm doing it, because it's He's a salvation machine and i have exact change & push the right button??" But He Himself is the Beginning and the End, the Author and Finisher.

and it leads me too, to thanking Him, always - just like you say, built on trust in Him and belief in who He is and what He's done, is doing, and will not leave undone.

 

[Willie-T]

this is kind of the same thinking i have about the origin of my faith in Him - that me "making a decision" to "ask" Him to save me is somehow effecting my salvation . . ? like, "i'm doing it, because it's He's a salvation machine and i push the right button??" But He Himself is the Beginning and the End, the Author and Finisher.

and it leads me too, to thanking Him, always - just like you say, built on trust in Him and belief in who He is and what He's done, is doing, and will not leave undone.

I could maybe grab some Calvinistic-sounding verses and agree with you if it weren't for all the places where Jesus actually TELLS us to make a decision for ourselves. I guess the word "repent", or the concept of doing it (making a different conscious decision about your thinking) must be in the Bible a hundred times.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this is kind of the same thinking i have about the origin of my faith in Him - that me "making a decision" to "ask" Him to save me is somehow effecting my salvation . . ? like, "i'm doing it, because it's He's a salvation machine and i have exact change & push the right button??" But He Himself is the Beginning and the End, the Author and Finisher.

and it leads me too, to thanking Him, always - just like you say, built on trust in Him and belief in who He is and what He's done, is doing, and will not leave undone.

well you asking him is affecting your salvation. Otherwise, You have to reject him and his gift, which will condemn you.

He comes to you, Explains it to you (through the HS) then instead of forcing it on you. Asks, would you like this gift. Or not.

and even if we say no, he still gives us a chance we die to repent.

That is what is so awesome about our God. His grace is never ending.

 

[posthuman]

I could maybe grab some Calvinistic-sounding verses and agree with you if it weren't for all the places where Jesus actually TELLS us to make a decision for ourselves. I guess the word "repent", or the concept of doing it (making a different conscious decision about your thinking) must be in the Bible a hundred times.

the Lord's prayer also asks for forgiveness, while in other places we're assured that He is our advocate, and that we can trust that He has already forgiven us.

also with regard to knowing that it is Him that works in us, Him who lives in us, not anymore us, while at the same time there is all kinds of admonishment to 'work out' salvation ourselves.

it's like there is 'meta-truth,' that He chose us, rather than us who chose Him, that He regenerates us, rather than us remaking ourselves, that He has already atoned for us, not that we have to make atonement -- but there is also a kind of 'experiential' truth in the way that these heavenly things are played out in our natural lives. we run after Him, we repent -- He draws us, He changes us.

like the way we thank God for a paycheck, even though we physically clocked in and clocked out and worked a full week with our own bodies, because we know who it is that ultimately provides. we know this in our spirit, but with our bodies we act it out, and if we really embrace this, we don't look at it as though we're earning wages, but God is giving it to us.

does that make sense?
i'm not a 'robot' all week at my job, but it's still God who is giving me all the opportunity, stamina, strength, skill and wisdom to do the job. in that moment, it is me being obedient to my boss and holding my hand to the plow, but in retrospect, it is God using all these things, even my own body, to provide.

it's Him who commands us, "love the Lord" and also Him who gives us that heart that indeed loves. Him who says "know the Lord" and Him who reveals Himself to us.

so is this just perspective we're talking about?

 

[posthuman]

That is what is so awesome about our God. His grace is never ending.

amen brother, amen!

 

[Stephen63]

the myth is believing people do not think we should confess our sins.. Thats the myth.

But you keep saying it.. like it is true or something.

Maybe you OUGHT to read my posts before critiquing them, LOL.

THEEEEEN you might find out I wasn't talking about confession..... yeeaah.

But who cares? All you want is to rant & fight, you don't care about the subject.

 

[Depleted]

Who first came up with the term "Hyper grace"...and why? If you don't know, most of us here can tell you. (Hint: His initials are M.B.)

I got some author named Ann Rule when she published a book in 2008. (About a sociopath, no less. lol) Why? What do you have?

 

[Willie-T]

Maybe you OUGHT to read my posts before critiquing them, LOL.

THEEEEEN you might find out I wasn't talking about confession..... yeeaah.

But who cares? All you want is to rant & fight, you don't care about the subject.

Uh, what IS saying you are sorry for something BUT confessing it?

 

[Depleted]

Who first came up with the term "Hyper grace"...and why? If you don't know, most of us here can tell you. (Hint: His initials are M.B.)

BTW, way to deflect!

 

[Depleted]

I follow another man who told the Pharisees that their insistence on "rule-keeping", (being a 'Legalist') was killing the people His Father sent Him to save from them and their "Religion." No, I ain't much on man-imposed rules.

Who is that? Because I see you imposing your own set of rules often on this site and getting upset by those who don't follow them either.