What is hyper grace........

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I can get a kick out of Legalist's attempts to place a derogatory label on people who trust God's grace when Legalists first invented the name.

Just like we laugh about Hillary trying to put us down by calling us a "basket of deplorables". Thanks to her, we now proudly throw the same term back at her.

Legalistic haters also first tried to defame Followers of Christ there in Antioch by calling them what was meant to be a derogatory name... "CHRISTIANS." Now, even YOU call yourself by that name that was originally meant to mock us.

Willie? You sure seem smug on playing this trick all the time. You talk about "attempts to place a derogatory label" on "Legalists," a word you deem derogatory. So basically you are Hillary filling up her basket of deplorables and thinking no one will notice this. Also very Hillaryish and she's still trying to figure out what went wrong.

 

[Grace777x70]

I see where Jeremy White has been quoted in this thread. Here is his article below as an example of using this term to expose some of the common objections as well as how what is said has been in some cases completely mis-represented.

I have in the past asked for those that have spread some of these mis-representations which turned out to be slander and false accusations to actually prove this. They could not prove it and have remained silent.

There are also some areas that not all people will agree on concerning some points in scripture.

Unfortunately there will remain those that will continue to mis-represent what is said and "twist" what is said to try to make it "appear" to be something different by taking words out of the context they were said in.

This is very deceitful behavior and is a calling-card of the self-proclaimed heretic hunters that attack those that believe differently than others in some areas.

Here is the article if any one is interested. I believe it accurately represents what some grace people believe in the abundant grace of God and the gift of righteousness through Christ's finished work on the cross alone. Rom. 5:17

It is always good to hear it from the "horse's mouth" in context before we hear a matter out. We have a great salvation in our loving Lord and we have a good, good Father.

Here is an example of taking the lemons thrown to make lemonade out of it and to accurately say what is really being said.

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

This is just a general statement about the use of the term in the OP and how it can be mis-represented and twisted to say something else than what is really said to begin with on a subject.

One person's name ( Jeremy White ) was mentioned in the thread so I gave the actual reference to the whole article for those interested.

If anyone feels that the post is is speaking to them and describing them for some reason - well...that is up to them and their Lord to deal with.

 

[Willie-T]

Willie? You sure seem smug on playing this trick all the time. You talk about "attempts to place a derogatory label" on "Legalists," a word you deem derogatory. So basically you are Hillary filling up her basket of deplorables and thinking no one will notice this. Also very Hillaryish and she's still trying to figure out what went wrong.

Who first came up with the term "Hyper grace"...and why? If you don't know, most of us here can tell you. (Hint: His initials are M.B.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

English, as with Greek, doesn't always take a prefix added to a word, like "hyper" and it adds up to something better. For example, hyperactive is not a good thing, it means "too much" activity. When applied to children, it usually implies ADHD. Hypermanic, as another example, would mean psychotic, and dangerously so!

So just because hypergrace adherents tell you it means over abundant grace, it more likely refers to over the top fanatics, who make doctrines out of one verse, and wrongly twist the meanings of words.

As Blueladybug so ably posted, in fact, the grace of God is the real truth. A grace which has called us and saved us and transformed us. The grace of God is something we are all dependent on. God gives each person as much grace as they need. Hence, why would anyone require more grace than God has given us? But that is the thing with cults, by redefining some words, and making up other iffy words like hypergrace, they are able to deceive more people with their lies!

what we have here is someones opinion. And division being caused, Because she admits she does not know what it means, But she thinks it "most likely" means something.

That is why this debate has been barred by the mods. Because it got nasty on both sides of the table.

 

[Stephen63]

To be clear, passive-aggressive name calling is not breaking TOS. It's when you actually say a certain person is that, it becomes a problem.

Also, since he is against legalists, wouldn't you have to assume he's NOT a rule follower?

The first statement I'm gonna have to look into..... but you definitely got me on the 2nd, LOL!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Many people seem to feel that Grace is like RELIGION.... It is acceptable to them....... as long as it is contained, controlled, restricted, and kept in a box that they have decided is where it is to be hidden from the rest of the world.

Amen, What we have to day are religious with definitions given by the religious, which means nothing like what it used to mean, or has a twisted meaning not originally intended.

Baptism is a great example.. It is a religious term which has lost it true meaning, so now today, people here the word. WATER is automatically seen, When in the ancient greek, water was not the first thing people thought when hearing the word. ..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where sin ABOUNDS....GRACE did much more ABOUND..............!

lol true.

Grace can not get any more than it already is, Grace, by its very defenition, is hyper..

 

[Willie-T]

To be clear, passive-aggressive name calling is not breaking TOS. It's when you actually say a certain person is that, it becomes a problem.

Also, since he is against legalists, wouldn't you have to assume he's NOT a rule follower?

The first statement I'm gonna have to look into..... but you definitely got me on the 2nd, LOL!

I follow another man who told the Pharisees that their insistence on "rule-keeping", (being a 'Legalist') was killing the people His Father sent Him to save from them and their "Religion." No, I ain't much on man-imposed rules.

 

[88]

It can be a misused, frustrated, and rejected...---also when focused on at the exclusion of the whole Word of God can become "false"...

 

[Stephen63]

This is just a general statement about the use of the term in the OP and how it can be mis-represented and twisted to say something else than what is really said to begin with on a subject.

One person's name ( Jeremy White ) was mentioned in the thread so I gave the actual reference to the whole article for those interested.

If anyone feels that the post is is speaking to them and describing them for some reason - well...that is up to them and their Lord to deal with.

OK, answer me..... since YOU made the statement, WHO WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Apparrently something or someone motivated you to post such a statement. Who were you talking about?

If you can't answer, were you just sending out statements to start an argument?

One way or another, you ought to be honest to your readers & tell the truth. You owe them that.

LET'S HAVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER, PLEASE.

 

[Willie-T]

It has been asked here probably a hundred times, and not a one of you can give an answer.... NOT ONE!....... Name ONE person on this forum who says you can just live life any way you want, and deliberately sin at every turn.

Every single one of us typing here sins. We all see it in the posts we read. Please tell me which rule you keep that nullifies the actions of those sins? Really! What specific and particular act do you do that wipes out yesterday's sins?

And, yet many of you keep insisting, over and over again, that God's grace in forgiving us will not work IF we do not make it capable of working by performing some sort of act ourselves. You actually sound like you think YOUR act gives God the power to forgive. This is almost unbelievably shocking to me......... that anyone would assume to have that kind of power.

 

[Grandpa]

OK, answer me..... since YOU made the statement, WHO WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Apparrently something or someone motivated you to post such a statement. Who were you talking about?

If you can't answer, were you just sending out statements to start an argument?

One way or another, you ought to be honest to your readers & tell the truth. You owe them that.

LET'S HAVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER, PLEASE.

Did Grace hit a nerve? (or was it 'hyper-grace')

 

[Grace777x70]

I am taking the advice of the apostle Paul when dealing with certain individuals. Certain ones have the capacity to defile us if we don't guard our hearts and minds and thus we need to not interact with them until we see repentance in their behavior.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

 

[gb9]

It has been asked here probably a hundred times, and not a one of you can give an answer.... NOT ONE!....... Name ONE person on this forum who says you can just live life any way you want, and deliberately sin at every turn.

Every single one of us typing here sins. We all see it in the posts we read. Please tell me which rule you keep that nullifies the actions of those sins? Really! What specific and particular act do you do that wipes out yesterday's sins?

And, yet many of you keep insisting, over and over again, that God's grace in forgiving us will not work IF we do not make it capable of working by performing some sort of act ourselves. You actually sound like you think YOUR act gives God the power to forgive. This is almost unbelievably shocking to me......... that anyone would assume to have that kind of power.

to add to this if I could- I have asked multiple times this question- are we saved by God's grace toward us, or our ability to not sin? - with also no answer. seems like some just toss out " religious talk " them dance and duck when asked to-the-point questions.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am taking the advice of the apostle Paul when dealing with certain individuals.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

probably a good thing.. Thats what the mods wanted to stop..

 

[88]

Main focus should be our obedient actions give God options to bless us (Abraham)---- if we are focused on forgiveness all the time we are probably not pleasing God--- this is different than grace forgiveness (rewards and blessings)..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

to add to this if I could- I have asked multiple times this question- are we saved by God's grace toward us, or our ability to not sin? - with also no answer. seems like some just toss out " religious talk " them dance and duck when asked to-the-point questions.

Its what they do, They demand and answer. But they do not have to give answers themselves. and they think no one notices it.

 

[Grandpa]

Main focus should be our obedient actions give God options to bless us (Abraham)---- if we are focused on forgiveness all the time we are probably not pleasing God--- this is different than grace forgiveness (rewards and blessings)..

Main focus should be on Christ and His Righteousness.

But you folks call that 'hyper grace', right?

 

[Grace777x70]

probably a good thing.. Thats what the mods wanted to stop..

I agree...

I have come to the conclusion - if people are not going to exhibit good behavior in discussions - then I'm not interacting with them. This stops the continuous bickering back and forth which results in the potential for all of us to miss it and sometimes we all are going to see things differently in some areas.

Sometimes it is best just to give out the information of what is believed and leave it in the Lord's hands. We don't need to try to force others to see things exactly like we do.

Paul said - We all know in part and those that think they know something - don't know it as they ought to.

I find the revelation of truth in the Lord's work can be seen in Peter and the walking on the water. Peter said to Jesus "If it is You - bid me to come". I say to the Lord - "...is this of You? Then You show me the truth."

He will be faithful to reveal the beauty of His work and to show me His love and grace towards us all. We can trust Him. Sometimes He needs to work around some religious strongholds that can be in our minds that nullify the grace of God from operating in our lives like it should and can.

 

[Stephen63]

Since I've been taken to school about making implications isn't actually direct accusations, I'm gonna try my new skills.

I hear so many today in these threads telling lies to support their beliefs on this radical grace started back in 1997, It amazes me that they will do anything to win their argument. "The end justifies the means" definitely comes to mind.

Since there's no such thing as a legalist on this site, I guess those that make up this strawman are liars. Storytellers. Myth makers

New American Standard Bible
1 Timothy 4:7
But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;

2 Timothy 4
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths

New American Standard Bible
2 Peter 1:16
For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

I've also heard the term "heretic hunter" come up quite often, which IMO that such "name callers" ought to get their "story" straight, for the term is totally inaccurate.

It should actually be..... watch this..... "Mythbuster"