The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.
This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.
If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?
So if wayward believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, the same kind of tongues found in mediums & wizards of old and today, when according to our faith that the Holy Spirit was and still is in them, don't you think the Father will allow it to happen?
We have proof that this is so by how Paul reproved what these believers were doing when falling away from the faith.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Now you " may " say that these people are damned for not believing the love of the truth; but keep in mind that these are believers that are falling away from the faith; they had to have faith first before falling away. And so what is the damnation? Becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House at the pre trib rapture event when they are castaways.
Now you may still say "no way.." because Jesus can lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ) BUT 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that there will be some in the latter days that will depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, having their conscience seared with a hot iron in hypocrisy which is what they are doing when the say they know the Holy Spirit is in them forever but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them.
If still in doubt that this iniquity is about all of those movements of the spirit, Paul goes on to the third chapter talking about those unreasonable and wicked men that have not faith that no longer walked after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as all of these movements of the spirit are with believers falling backwards and stuff, that we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw but NOT to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them because they are still brothers.
2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
So that is what I believe this iniquity is; seeking to receive the holy Spirit "again" or even for the first time, thinking receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation, but after a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh like falling down backwards.... but it is not of Him.
Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 19:[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
That is why this iniquity brings disorderly conduct in worship.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So seeking to receive the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again by asking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them is not the way to ask for the gifts of the Spirit when they already have the Holy Spirit as it is asking Jesus Christ is where the Spirit get the gifts from for only Jesus can answer prayers.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
If believers were to seek the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again or even for the first time, long after they have been saved by Jesus Christ, then verse 13 has to be removed from scripture because not all can say that. And since not all can say that, then that is the iniquity Paul was speaking about in your OP because believers are falling away from the faith, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit later on in life long after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.
That was why in reproving that iniquity that was calling believers to fall away from the faith seeking to receive the spirits after a sign, even though they were thinking it was the Holy Spirit, it was not, because He is already in them as Paul reminded them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15. That is why God permitted the strong delusion to occur as the Restrainer was taken out of the way as believers "open" themselves up to receiving these seducing spirits.
The solution is to return to their first love, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign. AND shun vain & profane babbling with His help so as to pray normally to know what you have prayed for so as to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of the Father for us to do.
1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.
If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?
So if wayward believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, the same kind of tongues found in mediums & wizards of old and today, when according to our faith that the Holy Spirit was and still is in them, don't you think the Father will allow it to happen?
We have proof that this is so by how Paul reproved what these believers were doing when falling away from the faith.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Now you " may " say that these people are damned for not believing the love of the truth; but keep in mind that these are believers that are falling away from the faith; they had to have faith first before falling away. And so what is the damnation? Becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House at the pre trib rapture event when they are castaways.
Now you may still say "no way.." because Jesus can lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ) BUT 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that there will be some in the latter days that will depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, having their conscience seared with a hot iron in hypocrisy which is what they are doing when the say they know the Holy Spirit is in them forever but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them.
If still in doubt that this iniquity is about all of those movements of the spirit, Paul goes on to the third chapter talking about those unreasonable and wicked men that have not faith that no longer walked after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as all of these movements of the spirit are with believers falling backwards and stuff, that we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw but NOT to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them because they are still brothers.
2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
So that is what I believe this iniquity is; seeking to receive the holy Spirit "again" or even for the first time, thinking receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation, but after a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh like falling down backwards.... but it is not of Him.
Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 19:[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
That is why this iniquity brings disorderly conduct in worship.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So seeking to receive the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again by asking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them is not the way to ask for the gifts of the Spirit when they already have the Holy Spirit as it is asking Jesus Christ is where the Spirit get the gifts from for only Jesus can answer prayers.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
If believers were to seek the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again or even for the first time, long after they have been saved by Jesus Christ, then verse 13 has to be removed from scripture because not all can say that. And since not all can say that, then that is the iniquity Paul was speaking about in your OP because believers are falling away from the faith, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit later on in life long after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.
That was why in reproving that iniquity that was calling believers to fall away from the faith seeking to receive the spirits after a sign, even though they were thinking it was the Holy Spirit, it was not, because He is already in them as Paul reminded them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15. That is why God permitted the strong delusion to occur as the Restrainer was taken out of the way as believers "open" themselves up to receiving these seducing spirits.
The solution is to return to their first love, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign. AND shun vain & profane babbling with His help so as to pray normally to know what you have prayed for so as to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of the Father for us to do.
1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.