What is the Name of the Father and the Messiah?

[Hizikyah]

You need to remember that the Hebrew word 'Shem' name has the primary meaning of authotity. Appellation (what a person is called) is only a secondary meaning.

Jeremiah 23:26-27, Jeremiah 16:19-21, and Isayah 52:6 are about God's authority not about how YHWH is pronounced. By the way, YHWH should be YHVH.

The concept of YHWH is the only self-existent one.

definitly, as He says my Name is My glory, and "hayah", self existent one, to be, etc.

but they literally quit using His name;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Kings 22:5-7, "And Jehoshaphat said unto the king of Israel, Inquire, I pray thee, at the word of the LORD to day. Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall I go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for the Lord shall deliver it into the hand of the king. And Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD besides, that we might inquire of him?" KJV[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Kings 22:5-7, “And Yehoshaphat said to the sovereign of Yisra’yl, “Please, first inquire for the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif](#H3068-YHWH), "And the sovereign of Yisra’yl gathered the prophets, about four hundred men, and said to them, “Do I go against Ramoth Gil‛aḏ to battle, or do I refrain?” And they said, “Go up, for The Lord (#H136-Adonay) does give it into the hand of the sovereign. And Yehoshaphat said, “Is there not here a prophet of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif](#H3068-YHWH), that we might inquire of Him?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!" [/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! We shall bless you from the House of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."

OF course it was about acceting the Messiah but they literally would not speak His name also.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"[/FONT]

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[MarcR]

We read Jn 14:13-14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
KJV


Many people ask for what they want and tag the words 'in Jesus name' on the end of their prayer; and are surprised when it doesn't happen.

The promise is indeed reliable. When we understand that in my name means by My authority, we realize that the promise is: If you ask for what I tell you to ask for you can be sure of getting it.

 

[posthuman]

i'm without anything to add

i just want to interject that i am really enjoying reading your conversation

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus has a secret name that only those who are sealed know.

Is there a Scripture for that? I think you are thinking about these verses possibly? Most likely Revelation 19:11-12, but only He Himself knows that name, none of us ever will.

Revelation 19:15-16, “And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. (Psa 2:9) And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”

Revelation 2:17, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I shall give him a white stone, and on the stone a new Name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”

Revelation 19:11-12, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself.”

It is not a name that can be spoken by men, it's not something like a word that can be spelled out.

In every heart that is His, it is the same.

It is a name that can only be spoken by the heart.

Some have tried to put a human name on it, the Holy Spirit, the love of God, or the heart or mind of Christ.

I think that when we cry out in the Spirit, in our hearts, in times of great pain and suffering, we call His name,

Not with words, yes, sometimes with words, but in the times of pain so great, that we cannot speak a word. Some know what I mean.

That is the time when our spirits, our hearts, cry out, cry out to Jesus.

Sure, we call Him Jesus, others have different names, but, it's the same Spirit, the same heart that we call on our Savior to help us.

His name is on our hearts, in our hearts. We speak to Him with our hearts, he knows our heart.

In the end, when we pass to the next world, it won't be the words that we speak, it will be the heart that knows the name of the Savior, we will know Him by heart, and He will know us by our hearts,

We won't need words to call His name, our hearts will call His name.

H definitly does have a name, the written word tells us that. Now im not saying one is condemmed if they ont know it, or think it is a different name than I do, as 1 that is not my place 2 I dont believe it to be true because:

Now it is no excuse to ignore His real name, however the holy/set apart Spirit of YHWH can translate for us -

Romans 8:26
ESV - "Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words."

ISR - Rom 8:26 And in the same way the Spirit does help in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray, but the Spirit Himself pleads our case for us with groanings unutterable."

Our Heavenly Father has many titles, but only 1 Name.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal ."

Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of YHWH, and serve Him with one accord."

Hosheyah 2:16-17, "And it will be in that day, says YHWH: that you will call Me Ishi; (My Husband), and will no longer call Me Baali; (My Lord). For I will take away the names of Baalim (1168 - Ba'al) out of her mouth, and their names will no longer be called upon!"

 

[MattforJesus]

The name of the Father and Son is Jesus.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

The Jews knew the name Jehovah,but God the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father,and Jesus said I have been with you all this time,and you still do not know Me,if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and the words that I speak are not of My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.

Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will ever see.

The Bible says there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

There is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said all power has been given to Me in heaven,and on earth.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation.

David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

Paul said the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered,when He shall have put down all rule,and authority,and power,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,that God may be all in all.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God,but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in the flesh,and reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,be at His right hand,until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,stop exercising the throne of power,stop being at the right hand,that God may be all in all.

God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,which if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Jehovah is Jesus,revealing His new name to the Jews,and speaking to them by the man Christ Jesus,which Jehovah means physical deliverance,and Jesus means spiritual deliverance.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jesus came in the Father's name Jesus.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.

The name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,is Jesus.

Which concerning baptism Jesus told them to baptize in the name,singular,and Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,are not names,but titles.

Luke says baptize in His name,Jesus.

In the book of Acts,Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

There is no other name we are saved by but the name Jesus,or however it is translated by other people.

Everything we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The prophet Agur asked the question what is the Father's name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,for they would share the same name,which that name remained secret,and not revealed until the right time.

Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

The name Jehovah could not be known until the right time.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The name Jesus could not be known until the right time.

Jesus is the name of the Father and Son,and the Father revealed His new name to the Jews,and spoke to them by the man Christ Jesus,as promised in the Old Testament.

If you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father,the only visible manifestation of God we will ever see.

 

[Hizikyah]

We read Jn 14:13-14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
KJV


Many people ask for what they want and tag the words 'in Jesus name' on the end of their prayer; and are surprised when it doesn't happen.

The promise is indeed reliable. When we understand that in my name means by My authority, we realize that the promise is: If you ask for what I tell you to ask for you can be sure of getting it.

I agree, when I was a young child I used to try to use prayers like a personal "genie", when I was like 7 or 8 I prayed for a Lamborghini...of course now I know better. I think with the modern day prosperity gospel being very popular it is most likely very common.


also there is this:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter/Kepha 3:12, "For the eyes of YHWH are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of YHWH is against those who do evil."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 66:18, "If I have seen wickedness in my heart, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]would not hear."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 34:15-16, "The eyes of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]are on the righteous, And His ears unto their cry. The face of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is against evil-doers, To cut off their remembrance from the earth."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 4:1-3, “Where do fightings and strivings come from among you? Do they not come from your pleasures that battle in your members? You desire, and do not have. You murder, and are jealous, and are unable to obtain. You strive and fight, and you do not possess, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask evilly, in order to spend it on your pleasures.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 59:1-3, “Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

The name of the Father and Son is Jesus.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

The Jews knew the name Jehovah,but God the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father,and Jesus said I have been with you all this time,and you still do not know Me,if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and the words that I speak are not of My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.

Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will ever see.

The Bible says there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

There is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said all power has been given to Me in heaven,and on earth.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation.

David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

Paul said the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered,when He shall have put down all rule,and authority,and power,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,that God may be all in all.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God,but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in the flesh,and reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,be at His right hand,until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,stop exercising the throne of power,stop being at the right hand,that God may be all in all.

God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,which if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Jehovah is Jesus,revealing His new name to the Jews,and speaking to them by the man Christ Jesus,which Jehovah means physical deliverance,and Jesus means spiritual deliverance.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jesus came in the Father's name Jesus.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.

The name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,is Jesus.

Which concerning baptism Jesus told them to baptize in the name,singular,and Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,are not names,but titles.

Luke says baptize in His name,Jesus.

In the book of Acts,Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

There is no other name we are saved by but the name Jesus,or however it is translated by other people.

Everything we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The prophet Agur asked the question what is the Father's name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,for they would share the same name,which that name remained secret,and not revealed until the right time.

Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

The name Jehovah could not be known until the right time.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The name Jesus could not be known until the right time.

Jesus is the name of the Father and Son,and the Father revealed His new name to the Jews,and spoke to them by the man Christ Jesus,as promised in the Old Testament.

If you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father,the only visible manifestation of God we will ever see.

Im not saying yo uare wrong for using Jesus, but I want to point out a few thigns:

The name of the Father and Son is Jesus.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

The verses you quoted show different:

Isaiah 52:5-6, "52:5, “And now, what have I here,” declares יהוה, “that My people are taken away for naught? Those who rule over them make them wail,” declares יהוה, “and My Name is despiseda all day continually. “Therefore My people shall know My Name, in that day, for I am the One who is speaking. See, it is I.”

The Jews knew the name Jehovah,but God the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

His name YHWH was for all people, not just Jews/Hebrews;

Jeremiah 16:19-21, "O YHWH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is YHWH!"

Malakyah 1:11, "For from the rising of the sun, to the going down of the same, My Name will be great among the Gentiles. In every place incense will be offered to My Name, with a pure offering; for My Name will be great among the Gentiles, says YHWH of hosts."

Standard Lesson Commentary: Concise Bible Dictionary
Yahweh (Hebrew). Yah-weh. The personal name for God, often cited as YHWH; it appears more than 6500 times in the Old Testament, the first in Genesis 4:26. In most Bibles this is the Old Testament word behind the translation “LORD” (note the capital letters). Jewish people of ancient times substituted the word Lord (adonai) for Yahweh because they considered the name too sacred to say aloud


Notice how it states; "capital letters," in the vast majority of translations when you see "LORD" in all 4 letters capital, in the original text it is word #H3068 יְהוָה - YHWH or Yahweh in English. When you see “Lord” or “lord” in the original text it is word #H113 אָדוֹן - adon or lord in English.


Psalm 110:1 is the best example of this, although "LORD" is used in the place of YHWH over 6,000 times in most translations, it is evident in this verse. As "LORD" (#H3068) and "Lord" (H#113) are both used:


Psalm 110:1, (ESV) "The LORD (#H3068) saith unto my lord (H#113), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."



H113 - אָדֹן אָדוֹן - ’âdôn ’âdôn, aw-done', aw-done', From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine):—lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with “Adoni”




Psalm 110:1, (TS2009) “יהוה (#H3068) said to my Master (H#113), “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”


Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, New Yerusalem (YHWH Shammah), coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”


Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."



Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


Isaiah 60:20, “No longer does your sun go down, nor your moon withdraw itself, for יהוה shall be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning shall be ended.”


Revelation 21:23, “And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Yah lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp.”

 

[beta]

All these posts are very interesting and take a lot of digesting !
Seems scripture alone is not very clear....the name JESUS for inst is only a translation and quite obviously not dating back to Creation as a name for GOD. I can see though how God was known by different names....which contributes to disagreement among us.

 

[Hizikyah]

All these posts are very interesting and take a lot of digesting !
Seems scripture alone is not very clear....the name JESUS for inst is only a translation and quite obviously not dating back to Creation as a name for GOD. I can see though how God was known by different names....which contributes to disagreement among us.

A true and interesting point, so many things come to mind, until the restoration of all things may we seek His will and walk in it!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 86:11-13, “Teach me Your way, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; Let me walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your Name. I praise You, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]my Strength, with all my heart, And I esteem Your Name forever. For Your loving-commitment is great toward me, And You have delivered my being From the depths of She’ol.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of YHWH, and serve Him with one accord."[/FONT]

 

[MarcR]

All these posts are very interesting and take a lot of digesting !
Seems scripture alone is not very clear....the name JESUS for inst is only a translation and quite obviously not dating back to Creation as a name for GOD. I can see though how God was known by different names....which contributes to disagreement among us.

The disagreement, in my case, was less about the names of God than about the Grammar and Syntax of the Hebrew language, and how the Hebrew Roots movement ignores both in their false teachings.

 

[Hizikyah]

The disagreement, in my case, was less about the names of God than about the Grammar and Syntax of the Hebrew language, and how the Hebrew Roots movement ignores both in their false teachings.

I think it is unfair to throw anyone who uses Yahshua into a catagory and discredit them by said action.

 

[MarcR]

I think it is unfair to throw anyone who uses Yahshua into a catagory and discredit them by said action.

Language is used to communicate thoughts, information, and emotions between and among people.

Language has rules known as grammar and syntax that make communication possible.

Each Language has its own set of grammar and syntax rules.

Hebrew uses inflections (sound suffixes and sometimes prefixes attached to words) to indicate grammatical notations such as tense, voice, mood, and case. These sounds were used in exactly the same way long before vowel notation was added to the language.

When people set out to teach untruths, to the unwary, by violating the basic Grammar rules of a language; their motives become suspect.

That is not unfair. That is simply getting caught in the act!

 

[Hizikyah]

Language is used to communicate thoughts, information, and emotions between and among people.

Language has rules known as grammar and syntax that make communication possible.

Each Language has its own set of grammar and syntax rules.

Hebrew uses inflections (sound suffixes and sometimes prefixes attached to words) to indicate grammatical notations such as tense, voice, mood, and case. These sounds were used in exactly the same way long before vowel notation was added to the language.

When people set out to teach untruths, to the unwary, by violating the basic Grammar rules of a language; their motives become suspect.

That is not unfair. That is simply getting caught in the act!

This is true, but to put someone in a ctagory just because others have a similar or same belief is not fair. For example, we all have at least one belief that the Catholic church teaches, that Messiah was Sacrificed, so it would be unfair to call someone a Catholic for that, unless they indentify as a Catholic.

This in no way excuses error, but im taking about grouping people into groups is unfair assessment IMO. (again unless they identify with said group)

 

[Snoozy]

has been shown a thousand times that yahshua is a made up name. by me bogadile and phil
yeshua is the hebrew, here is the article again by a messianic jew who actually speaks hebrew unlike you posers here:

dr michael brown: https://askdrbrown.org/library/what-original-hebrew-name-jesus-and-it-true-name-jesus-really

heres a quote

Why then do some people refer to Jesus as Yahshua? There is absolutely no support for this pronunciation—none at all—and I say this as someone holding a Ph.D. in Semitic languages. My educated guess is that some zealous but linguistically ignorant people thought that Yahweh’s name must have been a more overt part of our Savior’s name, hence YAHshua rather than Yeshua—but again, there is no support of any kind for this theory.
The Hebrew Bible has yeshu‘a; when the Septuagint authors rendered this name in Greek, they rendered it as Іησους (I**ēsous, with no hint of yah at the beginning of the name); and the same can be said of the Peshitta translators when they rendered Yeshua’s name into Syriac (part of the Aramaic language family). All this is consistent and clear: The original form of the name Jesus is yeshu‘a, and there is no such name as yahshu‘a (or,yahushua or the like).

so stop this nonsense. accept the truth please.

 

[MarcR]

This is true, but to put someone in a ctagory just because others have a similar or same belief is not fair. For example, we all have at least one belief that the Catholic church teaches, that Messiah was Sacrificed, so it would be unfair to call someone a Catholic for that, unless they indentify as a Catholic.

This in no way excuses error, but im taking about grouping people into groups is unfair assessment IMO. (again unless they identify with said group)

There is only one movement that bases their false teachings on misrepresentation of the Hebrew Language; and that is the Hebrew Roots movement. Whether you got this from them directly or indirectly doesn't matter. It is still theirs.

 

[Snoozy]

There is only one movement that bases their false teachings on misrepresentation of the Hebrew Language; and that is the Hebrew Roots movement. Whether you got this from them directly or indirectly doesn't matter. It is still theirs.

yup, see MarcR is a real hebrew! all the real jews i know of are laughing at these hebrew roots posers. they dont know anything about hebrew. its just fakers thinking they are cool for using hebrew words thinking its a superior language.

makes me so mad that these guys are always accusing regular christians of paganism this and paganism that. then when i type the way i do they pull the card on me of how im mean and judgmental.

 

[Hizikyah]

There is only one movement that bases their false teachings on misrepresentation of the Hebrew Language; and that is the Hebrew Roots movement. Whether you got this from them directly or indirectly doesn't matter. It is still theirs.

well fropm that mindset anyone who believes in the MEssiah must be Roman Catholic....

if onwe can sterotype another they have dehumanized them, thus making them as easy tartget.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 7:24, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”[/FONT]​

 

[MarcR]

yup, see MarcR is a real hebrew! all the real jews i know of are laughing at these hebrew roots posers. they dont know anything about hebrew. its just fakers thinking they are cool for using hebrew words thinking its a superior language.

makes me so mad that these guys are always accusing regular christians of paganism this and paganism that. then when i type the way i do they pull the card on me of how im mean and judgmental.

Thank you, Snoozy.

I actually have some problems with paganism, but I try not to be judgemental about them.

I do call them to fellow believers' attention in the belief that the commands that we exhort and instruct one another should be obeyed. I don't consider myself responsible for what anyone does with the information.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 11:21, “Therefore thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]concerning the men of Anathoth who are seeking your life, saying, ‘Do not prophesy in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], lest you die by our hand.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 4:18-20, “And they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor to teach in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], but Kĕpha and Yoḥanan answering them, said, “Whether it is right in the sight of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to listen to you more than to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]you judge. For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH."[/FONT]

 

[garee]

definitly, as He says my Name is My glory, and "hayah", self existent one, to be, etc.

but they literally quit using His name;

I do not think anyone quit anything.It sounds more like someone is trying to develop a secret name as an oral tradition that rises above the name of the Bible, as to its authority. Names in respect to the word name throughout the scripture means authority . Adam means mankind .Eve means the first woman of mankind. Cain means "possession" . Abel means "breath" etc

There are many attributes of God as names used to represent his unseen glory. One of His names is Jealous. He jealousy protects all his attributes to include that of "hayah"(Jevohvah) the Almighty, self existent one God ,or God is our salvation.

Just like the word Jesus ,means God is our salvation.

God does not have a random name that sounds good to the ear, picked randomly by parents. He does not need a name to tell himself apart from false gods.

The word Jehovah has a double meaning. First it reflect, the attribute,God almighty ,as that which he previously was know by and now a new name Jehovah, the Almighty one has become our salvation

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name (attribute) of God Almighty, but by my name (attribute) JEHOVAH was I not known to them.