What is wormwood?

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longtrekker

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Wormwood is also used in the drink; Absinthe - (from grande wormwood, a plant). It has a high content by alcohol and portrayed by some as a dangerously addictive psychoactive drug. Van Gogh and Oscar Wilde were fond of it....
 
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Interesting.
Thank you, I will have to look into this.
Thank FATHER, not me. :)
I asked HIM long ago that it would be HIS WORDS I speak, not my own.
In JESUS NAME, of course. Amen!
 
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worm wood is a highly sought after product. In makimng furniture wood that has ben tunneled through by worms can bring high value amongst wood workers. Wormy Maple, and Honduras mahogany that has worm holes, even pine that is wormy will bring a high price.
 

JGIG

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2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Prophecy is scripture will interpret itself… if you let it.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Wormwood is the desire to do away with God’s Law (Old Testament) and follow one’s heart instead.

Prove it? OK.

Jer 9:13 And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law [SUP]H8451/Torah [/SUP]which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

Jer 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

Jer 17:9 "The heart is more deceitful than anything else and mortally sick. Who can fathom it?
Jer 17:10 I, Adonai, search the heart; I test inner motivations; in order to give to everyone what his actions and conduct deserve."

Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

“Because they have forsaken my Law which I set before them”

This is what God hears the people saying:
“Jesus abolished the Old Testament” “The Old Testament has been done away with.” “You don’t have to obey the law anymore.” “Jesus fulfilled it….Jesus fulfilled it.”

And Jesus said:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfil.


Fulfill
Translated from the Greek word “Pleroo”
Mean to “confirm something”

“That’s the old law.” “Jesus died so we don’t have to.” “We are in the New Covenant.” “We don’t follow those old testament laws.” “Didn’t you read that God doesn’t want us to keep those old laws.” “Are you trying to become a Jew?” “We don’t have to follow ALL of His commandments, just the ten important ones.” “If you follow the law you are cursed by the law.” “Jesus died so we don’t have to.” “I read in the Bible we are not suppose to eat pork….Oh that is Old Testament law and you don’t have to follow that anymore.” “Why is that?” “God changed His mind, that is why He sent us Jesus.” “Aren’t you glad God changed His mind?” “In the Old Testament God wanted us to follow His rules, now He just wants us to accept His Grace, Amen?” “There is no salvation by works.” “Are you trying to earn your salvation like the Pharisees?” “All you need to do is…..” “Just follow His Grace.” “Your not justified by that old law.” “I walked the aisle at my church so I have done all I need to do to be saved.” “I don’t have to keep any of those old testament laws because I know Jesus now.” “Because I know Jesus now.” “The Law was nailed to the cross.” “I know God. He knows me. He knows what is in my heart and that’s all that matters.” “Dear Lord, we pray for your guidance in our lives.” “Dear Lord, please bless us in your son Jesus.” “Father, we just ask that everything we do please you.” Dear God, please bless this food we are about to eat.” “We pray that you lead us and guide us.” THE CELLULAR CUSTOMER YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH IS UNAVAILABLE, PLEASE TRY YOUR CALL AGAIN LATER.”

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1Sa 15:29 Moreover, the Eternal One of Isra'el will not lie or change his mind, because he isn't a mere human being subject to changing his mind."

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

“It’s up to us to determine what is right or wrong in our hearts.” “Let your heart lead you.” “I listen to my heart.” “Jesus tells me what to do.” “I don’t need to read the old testament, I trust my heart.”


Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

“I know what is best for me and that is what God wants me to do.” “I trust my heart.” “I follow my heart and I have a heart for Jesus.” “We don’t need those old laws. Our hearts will tell us what is right.” “It’s the intentions of your heart that matters.” “Let Jesus come into your heart and you will be saved!” “All we need is a personal relationship with Jesus.” “Amen…Hallelujah” “Praise the Lord” “Please don’t forget to leave your donation, it’s tax-free.” “Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, praise the Lord.”


Gen 8:21 …for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth…

Asking Jesus in your heart for Salvation is NEVER mentioned in scripture.

IF A THIRD OF THE WATERS WERE INFECTED WITH WORMWOOD

THEN WHAT ARE THE WATERS ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 8:11and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


PRESENT WORLD POPULATION: 6.9 BILLION

CHRISTIAN POPULATION: 2.3 BILLION

APPROXIMATELY

33% OR A THIRD OF THE POPULATION

Revelations is curses enacted by God Himself and are things covered in the Torah.
God divorced the House of Israel but His great love for her has made Him go beyond the imagination of any man, including the prophets, who did not know the Great Mystery of the Bridegroom and His Bride of the New (renewed) Covenant, but was only revealed to Paul. The reason He sent His Son ... Mat 15:24 But he (Yeshua) answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (See also Jeremiah 31:31-35 and Hebrews 8:10-13)

Num 5:11-30 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

In the Old Testament under the Law (Torah) certain crimes required the penalty of stoning. In Revelations we see God doing the stoning.

Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

What are the broken laws of Torah that justify being stoned?

Breaking the Sabbath. And committing adultery.

Num 15:32-35 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

(Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(Mar 12:29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(1Co 7:19) Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

(1Co 14:37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

(Eph 2:15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

(Col 2:22) Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

(Col 4:10) Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him

(1Th 4:2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

(Tit 1:14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

(1Jn 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

(1Jn 3:22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

(1Jn 3:24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(2Jn 1:6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

(Rev 22:14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So much heresy, so little time . . .

You folks do realize that the teaching above implies that the one third of mankind destroyed will be the Christians on the planet, right?




You do realize that judgement comes for those who reject CHRIST, right? It's not about your works of the Law, it's all about the Work of Christ, you entering into that Work by faith, and who you are in Him.

Shakin' my head . . .

-JGIG
 

john832

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Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to do destroy it, for if He did destroy it, he'd be destroying Himself. The Law was made to be broken, YES, God intend for us to break the Law, so that we could see our sinfulness and our failed efforts in keeping it.
This may be perhaps, the most ignorant statement I have read on this site.
 
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[video=youtube_share;-d8vEKXtyyU]http://youtu.be/-d8vEKXtyyU[/video]

WomanLovesTX,

That Wicca spirit is a liar and deceiver. You started off with a scripture (in that video), which listed 1 Peter 1:20 as saying...

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."


That is a lie. The TRUTH is in 2 Peter 1:20...

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


The video, which starts off with a lie, goes on to say that scripture will interpret itself if you let it. The problem is, you did not let it. You then claim wormwood is a desire to do away with God's law. That is a lie.


Wormwood was a nuclear meltdown that occurred in 1986 at Chernobyl in Ukraine. Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood. The Chernobyl catastrophe was the fulfillment of the third trumpet of Revelation 8. The explosion in the reactor released a cloud of radiation north of the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. The Chernobyl meltdown released ten times the amount of radioactive substances as was released by the bombing of Hiroshima in World War II.


The prophecy says...
Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, an extraordinary amount of rain fell. The rain brought the radiation from the nuclear cloud onto the soil, the animals, the crops, and into the rivers which greatly increased the magnitude of the disaster. The prophecy said that many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


I do hope you come to follow Jesus Christ.

God bless!
 
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Spirit of envy-a
spirit of anger-a
spirit of pride-a

I gotta get that power off me-a


or maybe your just sinful, prideful, angry, and lustful yourself and it isn't a spirit making you do anything
 
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WomanLovesTX,

That Wicca spirit is a liar and deceiver. You started off with a scripture (in that video), which listed 1 Peter 1:20 as saying...

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."


That is a lie. The TRUTH is in 2 Peter 1:20...

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


The video, which starts off with a lie, goes on to say that scripture will interpret itself if you let it. The problem is, you did not let it. You then claim wormwood is a desire to do away with God's law. That is a lie.


Wormwood was a nuclear meltdown that occurred in 1986 at Chernobyl in Ukraine. Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood. The Chernobyl catastrophe was the fulfillment of the third trumpet of Revelation 8. The explosion in the reactor released a cloud of radiation north of the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. The Chernobyl meltdown released ten times the amount of radioactive substances as was released by the bombing of Hiroshima in World War II.


The prophecy says...
Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, an extraordinary amount of rain fell. The rain brought the radiation from the nuclear cloud onto the soil, the animals, the crops, and into the rivers which greatly increased the magnitude of the disaster. The prophecy said that many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


I do hope you come to follow Jesus Christ.

God bless!
I think she does follow Messiah.

Are you saying wormwood is judgement?
 

john832

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if you would read romans 8. Paul does not hold one day sabath up over any other day, and he says those who do should not judge who do not.. In fact Paul says we can hold every day up as his sabaath and be fine.. not just one day.

worshiping God on saturday and not sunday does not make you more holy than anyone else. or those who worship on sunday any holier or more evil than you. We are all just sinners saved by grace. thats why the law can not make us holy.
Yeah sure, only problem is this...

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Paul's custom was to keep the Sabbath.

By the way, he kept the Feast Days also...


1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
1Co 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Co 11:29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Act 20:6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

Act 20:16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

1Co 16:8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

Act 27:9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them,


Act 18:21 but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.

Most commentaries refer to this as the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread.

Conspicuously absent are Sunday, xmas and Ishtar.
 
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The Pauline Paradox - Lawfulness or Lawlessness?
Are you that sure that Paul teaches that God has abolished or changed His law? Do you attempt to discern what law (instruction) Paul is teaching on in context? Do you realize how many "laws" Paul mentions in his letters?
Here are some "laws" Paul specifically mentions: "Law of God" "Law of Sin" "Law of Sin and Death" "Law of Faith" "Law of my mind" "Law of Righteousness" "Law of Christ"
Have you ever wondered why Peter says Paul is difficult to understand and Paul's writings can lead to sinning (lawlessness) if read incorrectly (2 Peter 3:14-17)?
One reason is certainly because of the number of laws Paul mentions in his writings. We can count 7 in just the list in the above.
Sometimes he just uses the word "law" by itself and forces you to use the surrounding context, sometimes verses before or verses after, to enable you to determine which law is the focus. That can become a BIG problem if we pretend that Paul is simply just teaching against the Law of God instead of the Law of Sin and Death for example.
Are sure that God did not abolish and free us from the "Law of Sin and Death" (we deserve eternal death of we sin) in our faith by grace, or did the grace of God destroy the Law of God?
We should ask ourselves these questions, especially since loving God is defined by keeping His commandments (1 John 5:3). Do we love our doctrins and traditions more than the means to love God back?
What is even more concerning, is that Paul (the one who is difficult to understand and leads to lawlessness) is a central pillar of mainstream Christianity's understanding of the Law of God. There is a reason why Paul is the core of such doctrine, and Peter sounded the alarm in advance.
There was once an instance in which I was recommended by a well intentioned friend to read a book titled:
The End of the Law: Mosaic Covenant in Pauline Theology (Nac Studies in Bible & Theology) - Hardcover (Sept. 1, 2009) by Jason C. Meyer
That says it all, does it not?
Clearly, Paul has become the pillar of modern understanding of the law of God, or lack there of.
Sadly, Paul is "twisted" to support a law abolishing paradigm, focussing on certain sentences Paul said in the context of a letter that often reveals the truth of one desires it.
Ro 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish/continue (histemi) the
law.
Just something to consider...
[/QUOTE I don't think peter is saying that Paul's teaching of things hard to be understood leeds to lawlessness, but that wicked and unholy wrestle these scriptures as thy do other to their own destruction. Peter says they do the same thing with other scriptures. He is not saying pauls teaching leeds to lawlessness.
 
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Dorcas

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So many in this post are very off topic. You asked what wormwood is. It is a woody plant, having an intensely bitter taste and a strong aromatic odor.

In Scripture, wormwood is compared to the aftereffects of immorality (Pr 5:4) and the bitter experience that was to come and did come upon Judah and Jerusalem at the hands of the Babylonians. (Jer 9:15; 23:15; La 3:15, 19) It also represents injustice and unrighteousness (Am 5:7; 6:12) and is used with reference to apostates. (De 29:18) At Revelation 8:11, wormwood denotes a bitter and poisonous substance, also called absinthe.