What is wormwood?

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WomanLovesTX

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Supposed Anti – Law Verses

1.) Jer.31:31 [“God foretold that He would make a New Covenant to replace the Old Covenant”]
2.) Matt.5:20 [“Jesus kept the whole Law so we don’t have to”]
3.) Matt.11:13 [“The Law and Prophets were only valid until John the Baptist”]
4.) Matt.12:1-8 [“Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath so we don’t have to keep it”]
5.) Matt.12:9-14 [“Jesus did away with the Torah by healing on the Sabbath”]
6.) Matt.22:34-40 [“Love God and your neighbor are the only commandments valid for believers”]

7.) Mark 2:27 [“The Sabbath was made for man so we don’t have to keep it”]
8.) Mark 7:15-23 [“It isn’t what enters a man that defiles him so we don’t have to keep kosher”]

9.) Luke 5:37-38 [“The Torah is the old wineskin and the teachings of Jesus is the new wineskins”]
10.) John 1:17 [“The Law was for the time of Moses but now we are in Grace and truth under Jesus”]
11.) John 8:1-12 [“Jesus overruled the Law by not condemning the woman caught in adultery”]

12.) Acts 10 [“What God has called clean we can’t call unclean so the kosher laws don’t apply to us”]
13.) Acts 15:1-19 [“Circumcision is done away with”]
14.) Acts 15:20; 29 [“We should only abstain from idolatry, immorality, blood, and things strangled”]
15.) Acts 21:25 [“We should only abstain from idolatry, immorality, blood, and things strangled”]

16.) Rom.3:27-28 [“The Law of Moses is of works but Jesus is the Law of Faith”]
17.) Rom.4:13-16 [“The Law is of works but Jesus is Righteousness through faith”]
18.) Rom.5:13; 20-21 [“The Law is the reason for our sins”]
19.) Rom.6:14 [“We’re not under the Law but under Grace”]
20.) Rom.7:4 [“We are dead to the Law through the body of Christ”]
21.) Rom.7:6 [“The Law is the oldness of the letter but Jesus is the newness of the Spirit”]
22.) Rom.7:9 [“Because of the Law, Paul died inside”]
23.) Rom.8:3 [“The Law was weak”]
24.) Rom.10:4 [“Christ is the end of the Law”]
25.) Rom.13:8; 10 [“To keep the whole Law, all we have to do is love”]
26.) Rom.14:3 [“Don’t judge others for what they eat because we don’t need to keep kosher”]
27.) Rom.14:5-6 [“We don’t need to keep Sabbath as long as we esteem a day of the week”]
28.) Rom.14:14 [“Nothing is unclean of itself. We don’t need to keep kosher”]
29.) Rom.14:17 [“The Kingdom is not about foods and drinks so we don’t need to keep kosher”]

30.) 1Cor.7:19 [“Physical circumcision doesn’t matter but only the moral commandments”]
31.) 1Cor.9:20-21 [“Paul only kept the Law around Jews so he could win them to Christianity”]
32.) 1Cor.15:56 [“The strength of sin is the Law so we shouldn’t keep it or else sin will be strong”]

33.) 2Cor.3:6 [“The Law kills but the Spirit through Christ gives life”]
34.) 2Cor.3:7 [“The Law is the ministry of death”]
35.) 2Cor.3:17 [“There is only liberty in the Spirit of the Lord”]

36.) Gal.1:13-14 [“Paul forsook the Torah because he forsook Judaism”]
37.) Gal.2:16 [“The works of the Law can’t save you. Follow Christ, not the Law.”]
38.) Gal.2:19 [“Paul died to the Law to live for God”]
39.) Gal.2:21 [“If you keep the Law you make the death of Christ in vain”]
40.) Gal.3:1-4 [“Paul rebukes believers for keeping the Law”]
41.) Gal.3:10 [“You’re cursed if you keep the Law”]
42.) Gal.3:11-12 [“The just live by faith, not by the Law”]
43.) Gal.3:13 [“Christ did away with the Law by redeeming us from its curse”]
44.) Gal.3:23 [“Before faith there was Law. Now in Christ we have faith and don’t need the Law”]
45.) Gal.3:24 [“The Law was our tutor but now that we have Christ we don’t need the Law”]
46.) Gal.3:28 [“It doesn’t matter if your Jewish or Gentile. In Christ you’re a Christian.”
47.) Gal.4:9-10 [“We shouldn’t turn back to the Law because they are weak and beggarly elements”]
48.) Gal.4:22-23 [“The son of the bondwoman is the Law. The son of the free woman is Christ”]
49.) Gal.4:24-31 [“Mt. Sinai is Hagar which the Law is bondage. Jerusalem is Christ which is freedom”]
50.) Gal.5:1 [“Don’t turn back to bondage which is the Law”]
51.) Gal.5:2-3 [“If you obey the command of circumcision, Christ will mean nothing to you”]
52.) Gal.5:4 [“If you keep the Law, you have forsaken Christ”]
53.) Gal.5:6 [“All you need to do is have faith and love not circumcision or the Law”]

54.) Eph.2:14-15 [“Christ has abolished the Law through His flesh”]
55.) Eph.2:16 [“Christ put to death the enmity which is the Law”]

56.) Phil.3:8 [“Paul counted the law and everything Jewish lost for the sake of Christ”]
57.) Col.2:14 [“Jesus wiped away the Law by nailing it to the cross”]
58.) 1Tim.4:4-5 [“Every creature is good to eat as long as you give thanks for it before you eat it”]
59.) Titus 3:9 [“Debating about the Law is unprofitable”]
60.) Heb. Chapter 5-6 [“We’re under the Melchizedek Priesthood, not the Law”]
61.) Heb.8:7 [“The Old Covenant had faults in it, but the New Covenant in Christ is perfect”]
62.) Heb.8:13 [“The Old Covenant is obsolete and is vanishing”]
63.) Heb.9:9-10 [“The Old Covenant was only symbolic and only focused on foods, drinks, and rituals”]
64.) Heb.10:8-9 [“God took away the First Covenant to establish the New Covenant”]
65.) Heb.10:26 [“If we turn back to the Law after Christ freed us from it, we will be judged”]

66.) James 1:25 [“We don’t need to keep the Law because Christ is our Law of Liberty”]
67.) James 2:10 [“It’s better not to keep the Law because if you fail in one area, you fail in all”]

68.) Rev.21:5 [“Jesus makes all things new. We’re not under the Law”]
 

WomanLovesTX

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I don't know, maybe Paul was just like the rest of us, human... :) Think about anyone through history - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Victor Hugo, Leo Tolstoy etc. - did their lives match up with their works? It's one thing to struggle with sin, it's another to expect people to live blameless lives. Also, the Word was nailed to the cross, your crazy assertations aren't going to make me believe some false teaching that says otherwise.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
 
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I'm glad you've discovered the Copy and Paste functions on the forum. :(
 

WomanLovesTX

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I'm glad you've discovered the Copy and Paste functions on the forum. :(
OK. Here is more:

A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared. In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere. EPHESIANS 6:10-18

Have you really inquired into all that these scriptures are telling you. For example "God's righteousness"? Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Do you understand what law David is speaking of and why it is in the same sentence of speaking of God's righteousness. The law is righteousness? God never changes his mind does He? He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

I challenge you to study your favorite quoted verses and see if the law is not also presented within them. That is I am assuming you are rejecting the Old Testament as being done away with, or nailed to the cross. These things you must twist the apostles who were all Jews and only knew the OT as the scriptures since there was no NT scriptures at the time of their teachings.

I care very much about you and your faith and that we are all grounded in TRUTH and not man-made doctrines that Jesus came and put down. Jesus did not put down Judaizers, he put down the Pharisees and the "ORAL LAWS" they had made and elevated above God's commandments. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Be realistic and ask yourself "Have you inherited lies?" Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

I did! I was raised and followed a Main stream protestant church and never learned about God's Feasts and how Jesus perfectly fullfilled 100% the Spring Feasts and now I know from studying and observing that Jesus will return on the Fall Feasts of Trumpets and friend, that day is not too far in the future. You still have time to put works in your faith as Jesus commanded.

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(2Jn 1:6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Shalom
 

WomanLovesTX

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NO LAW ..... NO LOVE

[video=vimeo;21371696]http://vimeo.com/21371696[/video]
 

WomanLovesTX

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If the law of God has not changed, then how could so many people be wrong, and for so long? Is that even possible? Does it even make sense to question established mainstream theology and test it to the Word of God? In this teaching, we answer such questions, and introduce the first video in The Pauline Paradox Series.
Pauline Paradox Part 1.jpg

[video=vimeo;27112372]http://vimeo.com/27112372[/video]
 
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WomanLovesTX: It is happening, the world is waking up to understanding. I really wonder about us being used by God in this awakening! I was one of those who denied most of the OT. When Paul was teaching that the Jews were wrong when they said the new converts must obey riuals to be included and that was the test, I misunderstood him completely. I sort of threw out the baby with the bath water. If you told me I was wrong I would have fought you tooth and nail as I would fight for my Lord.

What turned me around to seeing what is so plainly the truth of God came, originally, from knowledge gained through study of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I began studying OT using a commentary by a man who spent years in the Holy Land studying ancient culture now available because now ancient language is opened up so old documents can be understood. I could learn how the people of the OT thought, the scripture was rounded out, but never with men's ideas but with historic fact. As I learned the divine laws of our world and all scripture, the entire bible became one, not divided as I thought before.

I think God has a plan for us and a remnant are following that plan. The majority are in rebellion. It seems to me we could see it begin to fall in place about 1945, with the holocaust as a precursor to Jews returning to the Holy Land, with the dead sea scrolls opening up new understanding, with prophecy beginning to unfold.

Thank you for the work you are doing, God is with you.
 

WomanLovesTX

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if you would read romans 8. Paul does not hold one day sabath up over any other day, and he says those who do should not judge who do not.. In fact Paul says we can hold every day up as his sabaath and be fine.. not just one day.

worshiping God on saturday and not sunday does not make you more holy than anyone else. or those who worship on sunday any holier or more evil than you. We are all just sinners saved by grace. thats why the law can not make us holy.
I hope you can give yourself the gift of 90 minutes to hear the whole matter of Paul and how he did uphold the law of Moses and that he never taught contrary to the law of Moses. The Sabbath day is set apart and holy and not comparable to Sunday or any other of the 6 days. Yes, I totally agree and so does the Word of God that we are all sinners saved by grace, and no one can keep the law for salvation. The law is for our obedience to God and for receiving blessings by being obedient. Grace and obedience go hand in hand. Here is a video I hope you will take time to study the truth from God's Word. It is time that RESTORATION OF GOD'S WORD takes place. I hope you are blessed as you study the truth about Paul.

[video=vimeo;34494303]http://vimeo.com/34494303[/video]
 

WomanLovesTX

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WomanLovesTX: It is happening, the world is waking up to understanding. I really wonder about us being used by God in this awakening! I was one of those who denied most of the OT. When Paul was teaching that the Jews were wrong when they said the new converts must obey riuals to be included and that was the test, I misunderstood him completely. I sort of threw out the baby with the bath water. If you told me I was wrong I would have fought you tooth and nail as I would fight for my Lord.

What turned me around to seeing what is so plainly the truth of God came, originally, from knowledge gained through study of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I began studying OT using a commentary by a man who spent years in the Holy Land studying ancient culture now available because now ancient language is opened up so old documents can be understood. I could learn how the people of the OT thought, the scripture was rounded out, but never with men's ideas but with historic fact. As I learned the divine laws of our world and all scripture, the entire bible became one, not divided as I thought before.

I think God has a plan for us and a remnant are following that plan. The majority are in rebellion. It seems to me we could see it begin to fall in place about 1945, with the holocaust as a precursor to Jews returning to the Holy Land, with the dead sea scrolls opening up new understanding, with prophecy beginning to unfold.

Thank you for the work you are doing, God is with you.
RedTent, thank you so much for sharing your testimony and your encouraging words to me. In my area of Texas I have found three small groups that desire to meet on the Sabbath and have the grace and testimony of Jesus and the desire to keep God's commandments/Torah. (Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.) I agree with you that the majority are in rebellion. But there is still time for many to turn back to what Jesus taught...the Whole Word of God...as He, Jesus/Yeshua is the Word of God and He did not come to change the Word or do away with it. (Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.) I love Him so much that I want to be obedient to His commandments. Being obedient to His Law is how I show my love to God (first 4 commandments) and how I show love to mankind (the last 6 commandments.) The Feast Days are also called "rehearsals". Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feasts 100% and He will fulfill the Fall Feasts 100%. Unfortunately, many don't know God's Feasts and will not know the "season" of His Second Coming. I also love keeping God's Dietary Laws. For me to turn back to a ham sandwich or an Easter Sunday is Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, .... (1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.)

And finally, I delight in God's Laws. (Psa 1:2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

(Psa 40:8) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

(Psa 119:70) Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.

(Psa 119:77) Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

(Psa 119:174) I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
 

WomanLovesTX

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[video=youtube_share;-d8vEKXtyyU]http://youtu.be/-d8vEKXtyyU[/video]
Wormwood is the desire to do away with God's Law (Old Testament) and follow one's heart instead according to Scripture.

Jer 9:13 And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them,
and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

Jer 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim,
which their fathers taught them:

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them,
even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

 

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Wormwood is the desire to do away with God's Law (Old Testament) and follow one's heart instead according to Scripture.

Jer 9:13 And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them,
and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

Jer 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim,
which their fathers taught them:

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them,
even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

mm. But isn't wormwood the punishment for disobedience and not the disobedience itself here? Interesting connection though.
 

WomanLovesTX

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2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Prophecy is scripture will interpret itself… if you let it.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Wormwood is the desire to do away with God’s Law (Old Testament) and follow one’s heart instead.

Prove it? OK.

Jer 9:13 And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law [SUP]H8451/Torah [/SUP]which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

Jer 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

Jer 17:9 "The heart is more deceitful than anything else and mortally sick. Who can fathom it?
Jer 17:10 I, Adonai, search the heart; I test inner motivations; in order to give to everyone what his actions and conduct deserve."

Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

“Because they have forsaken my Law which I set before them”

This is what God hears the people saying:
“Jesus abolished the Old Testament” “The Old Testament has been done away with.” “You don’t have to obey the law anymore.” “Jesus fulfilled it….Jesus fulfilled it.”

And Jesus said:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfil.


Fulfill
Translated from the Greek word “Pleroo”
Mean to “confirm something”

“That’s the old law.” “Jesus died so we don’t have to.” “We are in the New Covenant.” “We don’t follow those old testament laws.” “Didn’t you read that God doesn’t want us to keep those old laws.” “Are you trying to become a Jew?” “We don’t have to follow ALL of His commandments, just the ten important ones.” “If you follow the law you are cursed by the law.” “Jesus died so we don’t have to.” “I read in the Bible we are not suppose to eat pork….Oh that is Old Testament law and you don’t have to follow that anymore.” “Why is that?” “God changed His mind, that is why He sent us Jesus.” “Aren’t you glad God changed His mind?” “In the Old Testament God wanted us to follow His rules, now He just wants us to accept His Grace, Amen?” “There is no salvation by works.” “Are you trying to earn your salvation like the Pharisees?” “All you need to do is…..” “Just follow His Grace.” “Your not justified by that old law.” “I walked the aisle at my church so I have done all I need to do to be saved.” “I don’t have to keep any of those old testament laws because I know Jesus now.” “Because I know Jesus now.” “The Law was nailed to the cross.” “I know God. He knows me. He knows what is in my heart and that’s all that matters.” “Dear Lord, we pray for your guidance in our lives.” “Dear Lord, please bless us in your son Jesus.” “Father, we just ask that everything we do please you.” Dear God, please bless this food we are about to eat.” “We pray that you lead us and guide us.” THE CELLULAR CUSTOMER YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH IS UNAVAILABLE, PLEASE TRY YOUR CALL AGAIN LATER.”

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1Sa 15:29 Moreover, the Eternal One of Isra'el will not lie or change his mind, because he isn't a mere human being subject to changing his mind."

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

“It’s up to us to determine what is right or wrong in our hearts.” “Let your heart lead you.” “I listen to my heart.” “Jesus tells me what to do.” “I don’t need to read the old testament, I trust my heart.”


Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

“I know what is best for me and that is what God wants me to do.” “I trust my heart.” “I follow my heart and I have a heart for Jesus.” “We don’t need those old laws. Our hearts will tell us what is right.” “It’s the intentions of your heart that matters.” “Let Jesus come into your heart and you will be saved!” “All we need is a personal relationship with Jesus.” “Amen…Hallelujah” “Praise the Lord” “Please don’t forget to leave your donation, it’s tax-free.” “Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, praise the Lord.”


Gen 8:21 …for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth…

Asking Jesus in your heart for Salvation is NEVER mentioned in scripture.

IF A THIRD OF THE WATERS WERE INFECTED WITH WORMWOOD

THEN WHAT ARE THE WATERS ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 8:11and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


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Revelations is curses enacted by God Himself and are things covered in the Torah.
God divorced the House of Israel but His great love for her has made Him go beyond the imagination of any man, including the prophets, who did not know the Great Mystery of the Bridegroom and His Bride of the New (renewed) Covenant, but was only revealed to Paul. The reason He sent His Son ... Mat 15:24 But he (Yeshua) answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (See also Jeremiah 31:31-35 and Hebrews 8:10-13)

Num 5:11-30 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

In the Old Testament under the Law (Torah) certain crimes required the penalty of stoning. In Revelations we see God doing the stoning.

Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

What are the broken laws of Torah that justify being stoned?

Breaking the Sabbath. And committing adultery.

Num 15:32-35 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

(Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(Mar 12:29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(1Co 7:19) Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

(1Co 14:37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

(Eph 2:15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

(Col 2:22) Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

(Col 4:10) Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him

(1Th 4:2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

(Tit 1:14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

(1Jn 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

(1Jn 3:22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

(1Jn 3:24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(2Jn 1:6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

(Rev 22:14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
 

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If unable to view video, post #33 is transcription of the video.
 
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That video is complete nonsense. It contains false teaching and twisted scriptures to back it up. One third of man and on third of wormwood waters are completely separate and non related items.

The Chernobyl Disaster, a secular book by Soviet-born Viktor Haynes, begins not with an introduction, but with the prophecy and a quote from The Concise Oxford Dictionary, 6th edition: “Chernobyl is a Russian transliteration of the Ukrainian word ‘chornobyl’, which in English means wormwood.

Let’s look at the specific wording of the prophecy: “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.” (Revelation 8:10-11)

Notice that many would die when the Third Trumpet blows. How the deaths would occur is very specifically stated in verse 10. It would be because of the waters— the waters would be made bitter. They would become “wormwood.”

The wind caught the radiation, and carried it into Scandinavia, Northern Italy, Germany, Great Britain and, in a diluted form, to the east coast of the United States.


Then the rains came. It rained incessantly for the next five days. The radioactivity was transferred from the clouds down into the soil. The most deadly thing about the rain was that the water flowed into the rivers. These deadly rivers then wound their way throughout all of Europe.


Remember the prophecy. It says that many men died because of the waters — because the waters were made bitter.


God bless!
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“We pray that you lead us and guide us.”THE CELLULAR CUSTOMER YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH IS UNAVAILABLE, PLEASE TRY YOUR CALL AGAIN LATER.”
Lol I do think and wonder about this often. The Bible does say the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us. But I can still acknowledge that God's not stupid, and he knows when one of his children needs discipline and guidance even if that means distancing the rebellious from his protection to show them the way back.

I'm still not sure about the wormwood deal, because it's saying people are dying. How do they physically die as a direct result of not observing the ceremonial laws in the OT? There would need to be some intervention - even if that were God's wrath. Also, normally waters could be taken here to be figurative of people. But the people in this vision are separate from the waters. So this tends to tell me that the "wormwood" is really falling on water and not people. And that the people are drinking the water. Think back to the water that turned to blood in Moses' day.

By the way what I said before still seems to hold. Wormwood seems to be the punishment for disobedience - not the disobedience directly. See below:

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them,
even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
I think there's already a "punishment" of sorts that comes from not obeying or meditating on the laws. And that is misinterpretation of scripture, lack of guidance and last but not least Matthew 5:19. Although occupying any sort of role in paradise - even if it's the lowest sort - is hardly a punishment. It's just not as great of a gift.
 

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Lol I do think and wonder about this often. The Bible does say the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us. But I can still acknowledge that God's not stupid, and he knows when one of his children needs discipline and guidance even if that means distancing the rebellious from his protection to show them the way back.

I'm still not sure about the wormwood deal, because it's saying people are dying. How do they physically die as a direct result of not observing the ceremonial laws in the OT? There would need to be some intervention - even if that were God's wrath. Also, normally waters could be taken here to be figurative of people. But the people in this vision are separate from the waters. So this tends to tell me that the "wormwood" is really falling on water and not people. And that the people are drinking the water. Think back to the water that turned to blood in Moses' day.

By the way what I said before still seems to hold. Wormwood seems to be the punishment for disobedience - not the disobedience directly. See below:



I think there's already a "punishment" of sorts that comes from not obeying or meditating on the laws. And that is misinterpretation of scripture, lack of guidance and last but not least Matthew 5:19. Although occupying any sort of role in paradise - even if it's the lowest sort - is hardly a punishment. It's just not as great of a gift.
I believe Yah is pronouncing/executing the punishment of adultery on Christians.


Num 5:11-30 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burnit upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
 
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if you would read romans 8. Paul does not hold one day sabath up over any other day, and he says those who do should not judge who do not.. In fact Paul says we can hold every day up as his sabaath and be fine.. not just one day.

worshiping God on saturday and not sunday does not make you more holy than anyone else. or those who worship on sunday any holier or more evil than you. We are all just sinners saved by grace. thats why the law can not make us holy.
And it certainly does not make womanlovestx anymore Jewish either....
 
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Hey WLT, what a wealth of information here, thanks. I discovered 119 ministries a few months ago and can't say enough about their good work. I've spent quite a while here on this thread, you've presented it very clearly! I could not access the private video. thanks again for your devotion to getting out the truth!
 
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Those two seem to be working together to promote their garbage.