What is written on the tablets of stone?
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Yes, I know those commandments but I have yet to see proof that those particular items were what was engraved on the stone tablets. And as I mentioned before, I see “covenant” and after a study of the types of covenants, I really do believe that something other than the well-known “Thou shalt not…” commandments was written on those tables of stone.
Didn't post #5 answer the question?
And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
The Israelites listened in first person to Exodus 20:2-17 in the midst of thunder and lightning, didn't they?
And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
The Israelites listened in first person to Exodus 20:2-17 in the midst of thunder and lightning, didn't they?
Then Moses is told by God that He would give him tables of stone being directed to teach what was written on them. Exodus 24:12 “And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written ; that thou mayest teach them.”
In Exodus 24:16 Seven days passed before Moses ascended into the mount to receive the “testimony” written on stone.
Exodus 25:16 “And thou shalt put into the ark the “testimony” which I shall give thee”
So no, Deuteronomy 10:4 doesn't confirm to me that Exodus 20:2-17 are the words written on the tables of stone. The chronology doesn't match because Exodus 20:2-17 was spoken 9 days before God even mentioned that He would write something on stone.
The following are records of what happened before Deuteronomy 10:4 confirmed them.
Exodus 24:18, Deuteronomy 9:10 40 days for the first set.
Exodus 32:31, Deuteronomy 9:25 40 days pleading with God to forgive them
Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 10:1 40 days for the second set.
This accounts for 122 days by adding 1 day between each of the 40 days
122 days elapse between Exodus 20:2-17 and the feast of ingathering beginning the seventh month being the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] of Tishri first endorsed in Exodus 23:14-16. The feast of ingathering is actually the feast of tabernacles in Leviticus 23:34 saying, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying , The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.”
Exodus 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written ; that thou mayest teach them.
There were 2 things God gave to Moses to teach Israel that were written on stone. The 10 words must have been an outline or a summary of God's *testimony. Exodus 31:18 Some people think that Exodus 20:2-17 is the summary of the better than 600 laws given. That is not true.
1. The law (Torah) instructions
2. Commandments (Tanakh) carrying out the instructions given in Torah
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of *testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD
Exodus 34:32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.
It does appear in Deuteronomy 10:4 that Moses is telling Israel that “you” (they) heard God speak in the mount out of the midst of the fire, but taking all scripture into account that just doesn't match with the rest of scripture. Israel was not in “the midst of the fire”.
What I think it is saying is that God spoke to Israel via Moses because that's what they wanted. Because of the humility of Moses, he is taking himself out of the equation as he records those happenings in the said Scripture as they had occurred.
Thank you for presenting this particular verse Laodicea first and then chubbena.
After Moses had been called up into the mountain, well after he recorded in writing what God had said in Exodus chapters 20 through 23, God tells Moses that He will give a testimony that is to be placed into the ark of the testimony.
Exodus 25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
Exodus 25:21-22
21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony,tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
1 Corinthians 2:1-2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
In numbers 10:33 we see the ark of the testimony is called the ark of the covenant. So the testimony written on stone that was placed in the ark was God's testimony concerning the covenant. The stone tablets sure appear as a summary of salvation that is complete through Christ Jesus. Then the testimony of Christ is the covenant testimony of God written on stone.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
I still think that the stone tablets contained 10 things concerning the chronology and completion of salvation to those who believe.
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On the other hand, using the following verses to negate this testimony i.e covenant, that God gave to Moses, would make the Ten Commandments void because they are a substantial part of the old covenant.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
So if the new covenant/testament replaced the old covenant/testament written on stone, Exodus 20:2-17 has been abolished.
Exodus 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink , and rose up to play.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written , The people sat down to eat and drink , and rose up to play .
Exodus 25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
Exodus 25:21-22
21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony,tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
1 Corinthians 2:1-2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
In numbers 10:33 we see the ark of the testimony is called the ark of the covenant. So the testimony written on stone that was placed in the ark was God's testimony concerning the covenant. The stone tablets sure appear as a summary of salvation that is complete through Christ Jesus. Then the testimony of Christ is the covenant testimony of God written on stone.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
I still think that the stone tablets contained 10 things concerning the chronology and completion of salvation to those who believe.
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On the other hand, using the following verses to negate this testimony i.e covenant, that God gave to Moses, would make the Ten Commandments void because they are a substantial part of the old covenant.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
So if the new covenant/testament replaced the old covenant/testament written on stone, Exodus 20:2-17 has been abolished.
Exodus 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink , and rose up to play.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written , The people sat down to eat and drink , and rose up to play .
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Hebrews 10:16-17 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
I most definitely believe the Holy Scriptures were inspired by God. God’s Word is full of mysteries, not secrets – mysteries…mysteries that we are to search out. He wants us to strive to know Him better and to draw close to Him so He can draw close to us.
I suppose it would be nice to see the stone tablets myself but that seems highly unlikely, so what I would like to know is: what was written on the stone tablets? Man “invented” the term Ten Commandments later but the original Hebrew uses the phrase the “Ten Words” and the word “covenant.” Deuteronomy 4:13 -"He proclaimed his covenant to you, which he ordered you to obey, the Ten Words; and he wrote them on two stone tablets." I grew up being taught the same thing most kids are taught about the Ten Commandments, and I just accepted it. But in more than forty years of being a Christian I have learned that I must question and research what I am being told that God says in His word. The Bereans did exactly that in Acts 17. To keep this short, I did an in-depth study of the types of covenants and learned a LOT. Comparing the concept of covenant with the simple “Thou shalt…” of what we know as the Ten Commandments doesn’t match. So, I am thinking that the ten words are possibly an outline of the covenant process God designed, or maybe an explanation of the plan of salvation, or something like that – something that fits the pattern of covenant better. A covenant concerns at least two parties and they both have obligations as well as benefits. Did I do a little better at explaining my thoughts?
I suppose it would be nice to see the stone tablets myself but that seems highly unlikely, so what I would like to know is: what was written on the stone tablets? Man “invented” the term Ten Commandments later but the original Hebrew uses the phrase the “Ten Words” and the word “covenant.” Deuteronomy 4:13 -"He proclaimed his covenant to you, which he ordered you to obey, the Ten Words; and he wrote them on two stone tablets." I grew up being taught the same thing most kids are taught about the Ten Commandments, and I just accepted it. But in more than forty years of being a Christian I have learned that I must question and research what I am being told that God says in His word. The Bereans did exactly that in Acts 17. To keep this short, I did an in-depth study of the types of covenants and learned a LOT. Comparing the concept of covenant with the simple “Thou shalt…” of what we know as the Ten Commandments doesn’t match. So, I am thinking that the ten words are possibly an outline of the covenant process God designed, or maybe an explanation of the plan of salvation, or something like that – something that fits the pattern of covenant better. A covenant concerns at least two parties and they both have obligations as well as benefits. Did I do a little better at explaining my thoughts?
You are correct. Tanakh is a Hebrew term for teachings, or scriptures to perform. See Matthew 4:4 below
Numbers 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment,(mitzvah) that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
4687 mitsvah mits-vaw' from 6680; a command, whether human or divine (collectively, the Law):--(which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept.
6680 tsavah tsaw-vaw' a primitive root; (intensively) to constitute, enjoin:--appoint, (for-)bid, (give a) charge, (give a, give in, send with) command(-er, -ment), send a messenger, put, (set) in order.
Exodus 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law,(Torah) and commandments (tsavah) which I have written ; that thou mayest teach them.
8451 towrah to-raw' or torah {to-raw'}; from 3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:--law.
Matthew 4:4 (CJB) But he answered, "The Tanakh says, `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of ADONAI'"
Mathew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said , It is written , Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Numbers 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment,(mitzvah) that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
4687 mitsvah mits-vaw' from 6680; a command, whether human or divine (collectively, the Law):--(which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept.
6680 tsavah tsaw-vaw' a primitive root; (intensively) to constitute, enjoin:--appoint, (for-)bid, (give a) charge, (give a, give in, send with) command(-er, -ment), send a messenger, put, (set) in order.
Exodus 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law,(Torah) and commandments (tsavah) which I have written ; that thou mayest teach them.
8451 towrah to-raw' or torah {to-raw'}; from 3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:--law.
Matthew 4:4 (CJB) But he answered, "The Tanakh says, `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of ADONAI'"
Mathew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said , It is written , Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
And Moses called all the children of Israel and said unto them, Hear O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them and keep and do them. .. . . The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire ( I stood between the LORD and you at that time to shew you the word of the LORD: . . . . Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image . . . Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them nor serve them: . . . Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain . . . Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it . . . . Honour thy father and thy mother . . . Thou shalt not kill. . .. Neither shalt thou commit adultery. . . Neither shalt thou steal. . . Neither shalt thou covet . . . These words the LORD spake unto all our assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tablets of stone, and delivered them unto me. Deut. 5:1,4,5a,7-9,11,12,16-21,22
