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I bet you that not one person here could lay out exactly what you believe for one to be saved. We would all have something wrong and be called slanderous and liars.
Don't you think that there is something inherently wrong with this since we are supposed to be clear and WITNESS the truth to others?
You are very smart and very clever......in worldly standards. But when it comes to the mind of Christ, your way behind.
And many have exposed your fraud.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ( the Person and the work of Him of the Cross) and you SHALL be saved.PERIOD.
Don't you think that there is something inherently wrong with this since we are supposed to be clear and WITNESS the truth to others?
You are very smart and very clever......in worldly standards. But when it comes to the mind of Christ, your way behind.
And many have exposed your fraud.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ( the Person and the work of Him of the Cross) and you SHALL be saved.PERIOD.
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So you don't plan on giving any proof of these teachings. You just plan to keep using your own "examples".
I have never in my life as a Christian (47 yrs) heard anyone teach anyone to go ahead and sin. I have however, seen MANY try to teach that your not justified until you stop sinning. I CAN provide evidence of that. I can also prove by scripture that it is FALSE teaching.
I have never in my life as a Christian (47 yrs) heard anyone teach anyone to go ahead and sin. I have however, seen MANY try to teach that your not justified until you stop sinning. I CAN provide evidence of that. I can also prove by scripture that it is FALSE teaching.
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James 2:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? [SUP]15 [/SUP]Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. [SUP]20 [/SUP]How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.”He was even called the friend of God.[SUP]24 [/SUP]So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? [SUP]15 [/SUP]Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. [SUP]20 [/SUP]How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.”He was even called the friend of God.[SUP]24 [/SUP]So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.
Yes "unbelief"as in no faith coming from God, as his work that he performs in us. . This is not the same as doubt. Christians can hesitate.
It is a forward generation, the generation of Adam as in natural unconverted men . While Christians are reckoned by the generation of Christ, as new creatures, not reconditioned
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is “no faith”.
It involves the faith of God in respect to His belief towards us called the hearing of faith. By it he gives us ears to hear the spiritual words. . It is called a work of faith (believing) as a labor of his unseen love. It describes our faithful Creator, who worked to create things not seen, by that work .Seeing believing without pronouncing the words (the work) it would end of as being dead providing no substance to verify that which God believed would occur.
It is not our faith that we generate towards him, as if it was our selves. Many do not make the distinctions between the things of God towards us, and those of men they offer towards God.One dead the other living.
In Hebrews 6 it shows the results of those who offer their faith towards God as if it was living work coming from themselves.This dead would be in rsspect fleshly ceremonial works to include baptism done with human hands as one of the ceremonial works ... again that they offer towards God.
They are the ones offer dead works( us, towards Him)They are them that crucify the Lord of Glory over and over to public shame as if his one work of faith which freely provides His grace, as the better things that do accompany our salvation.
When people recognize the difference between the things of God and those of sinful men that does offend God, they are called to repent .
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again “the foundation” of "repentance from dead works", and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:1
It is a forward generation, the generation of Adam as in natural unconverted men . While Christians are reckoned by the generation of Christ, as new creatures, not reconditioned
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is “no faith”.
It involves the faith of God in respect to His belief towards us called the hearing of faith. By it he gives us ears to hear the spiritual words. . It is called a work of faith (believing) as a labor of his unseen love. It describes our faithful Creator, who worked to create things not seen, by that work .Seeing believing without pronouncing the words (the work) it would end of as being dead providing no substance to verify that which God believed would occur.
It is not our faith that we generate towards him, as if it was our selves. Many do not make the distinctions between the things of God towards us, and those of men they offer towards God.One dead the other living.
In Hebrews 6 it shows the results of those who offer their faith towards God as if it was living work coming from themselves.This dead would be in rsspect fleshly ceremonial works to include baptism done with human hands as one of the ceremonial works ... again that they offer towards God.
They are the ones offer dead works( us, towards Him)They are them that crucify the Lord of Glory over and over to public shame as if his one work of faith which freely provides His grace, as the better things that do accompany our salvation.
When people recognize the difference between the things of God and those of sinful men that does offend God, they are called to repent .
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again “the foundation” of "repentance from dead works", and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:1
Unfortunately this is sadly true as he doesn't believe that we Christians are actually born again until we get our new bodies when the Lord comes back.
This causes an mis-understanding of the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness and the truth of this reality becomes a blurr.
When we don't see what Christ has already done for us in His finished work and that we are righteous and holy because of Him alone - we need to create our own way to salvation by doing good deeds maintaining our salvation. This of course is not the gospel of the grace of Christ.
We really need to be praying for him because we all have been there in some form or other and most likely still are in lot's of ways.
This causes an mis-understanding of the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness and the truth of this reality becomes a blurr.
When we don't see what Christ has already done for us in His finished work and that we are righteous and holy because of Him alone - we need to create our own way to salvation by doing good deeds maintaining our salvation. This of course is not the gospel of the grace of Christ.
We really need to be praying for him because we all have been there in some form or other and most likely still are in lot's of ways.
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I'm simply saying that people use smooth-sounding doctrines as cover to commit evil acts.
Not pointing the finger at individuals *here*, necessarily.
They'll say that faith is enough, or even preach faith and good works, or any number of things, but turn around and spin a web of deceit where they think no one will see.
Doctrine is beside the point in this case. It does not matter what someone is teaching in these instances, they could be dead on accurate according to scripture as far as teachings, but it's basically the same as it was in the days of Christ in some cases.
They'll do all they can to teach holiness to look holy and then engage in evil when they think no one is looking. But it can't be proved in a lot of cases due to plausible deniability.
God sees.
Not pointing the finger at individuals *here*, necessarily.
They'll say that faith is enough, or even preach faith and good works, or any number of things, but turn around and spin a web of deceit where they think no one will see.
Doctrine is beside the point in this case. It does not matter what someone is teaching in these instances, they could be dead on accurate according to scripture as far as teachings, but it's basically the same as it was in the days of Christ in some cases.
They'll do all they can to teach holiness to look holy and then engage in evil when they think no one is looking. But it can't be proved in a lot of cases due to plausible deniability.
God sees.
Hi brother or sister in Christ.
Yes, it is PERIOD.! After all he has not left us as orphans. If Christ our confidence has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it. He will after rescuing us not throw us back into a raging river in which no man could swim to the other side and say once is enough , now learn how to swim or die.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
PERIOD.
Yes, it is PERIOD.! After all he has not left us as orphans. If Christ our confidence has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it. He will after rescuing us not throw us back into a raging river in which no man could swim to the other side and say once is enough , now learn how to swim or die.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
PERIOD.
To believe in Jesus Christ is to also believe in every word of God, not just the man Jesus, but also God's Christ who is the very Word of God.
So does sin matter according to the words of God?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So does sin matter according to the words of God?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
It certainly helps to put scriptures in context. 1 Cor. 6 is a description of unrighteous. Christians are called righteous as can be seen by the next verse 11. Two different identities being shown here in context.
If we take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.
Verse 12 is part of the context as well. Paul is saying the behaviors of the unrighteous are not for us believers to be doing as they are unprofitable.
Unbelievers who are called "unrighteous" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only the righteous will and those are the ones sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed in Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
If we take a scripture out of it's context - that text will con you.
Verse 12 is part of the context as well. Paul is saying the behaviors of the unrighteous are not for us believers to be doing as they are unprofitable.
Unbelievers who are called "unrighteous" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only the righteous will and those are the ones sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed in Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
Repentance comes from hearing the Word of God, then the Holy Spirit convicts (convinces) us: 1. that this message is true 2. that we need to repent of our old lifestyle. It's the Holy Spirit that opens our eyes & ears & softens our hardened hearts for this message to sink in. When our hearts begin to break over what we've done, the process has of repentance has begun..... but it must be completely finished, & that by acceptance of & commitment to Christ. Only then can a new life begin. Only a fool believes acceptance alone can save him, & many have tried that without true remorse to no avail.
A marriage is a commitment, & our marriage to Jesus is no different. No commitment, no marriage. In our marriage to Christ, accepting Him as Lord of our lives & living such will begin to show "fruits meet for repentance". But remember..... having a Master means doing what He says with the attitude of pleasing Him.
Matthew 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[HR][/HR]Matthew 12:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Generation of vipers..... why? 1. they were "going thru the motions" of baptism without required repentance of the heart for the sake of being accepted by John. 2. They had no intention of changing their ways. 3. They were going to continue "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the the traditions of the elders.
That in & of itself qualified them as a generation of vipers.
Now, let's look at the modern church. 1. Many, yes, many are "going thru the motions" of their religion without genuine repentance, either from the beginning or eventually as they backslide into apostasy. 2. They believe they're saved "as is", without true repentance so they have no intention of changing. 3. They're "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the new doctrines that's seeping into the church. 4. They are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (2Tim 3:7). Since they don't learn the truth, they are destroyed for their lack of knowledge & rejecting the truth. (Hosea 4:6)
If John the Baptist were here today, what would he call this thing called the modern church? He would definitely call them to true repentance.
A marriage is a commitment, & our marriage to Jesus is no different. No commitment, no marriage. In our marriage to Christ, accepting Him as Lord of our lives & living such will begin to show "fruits meet for repentance". But remember..... having a Master means doing what He says with the attitude of pleasing Him.
Matthew 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[HR][/HR]Matthew 12:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Generation of vipers..... why? 1. they were "going thru the motions" of baptism without required repentance of the heart for the sake of being accepted by John. 2. They had no intention of changing their ways. 3. They were going to continue "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the the traditions of the elders.
That in & of itself qualified them as a generation of vipers.
Now, let's look at the modern church. 1. Many, yes, many are "going thru the motions" of their religion without genuine repentance, either from the beginning or eventually as they backslide into apostasy. 2. They believe they're saved "as is", without true repentance so they have no intention of changing. 3. They're "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the new doctrines that's seeping into the church. 4. They are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (2Tim 3:7). Since they don't learn the truth, they are destroyed for their lack of knowledge & rejecting the truth. (Hosea 4:6)
If John the Baptist were here today, what would he call this thing called the modern church? He would definitely call them to true repentance.
The man speaketh truth. Here's an example
Coral Ridge Elders Knew of Tullian Tchividjian's Affair With Married Woman, Advised Him to Keep Secret, Source Alleges
Coral Ridge Elders Knew of Tullian Tchividjian's Affair With Married Woman, Advised Him to Keep Secret, Source Alleges
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Of course it does, but it does not keep us from salvation. We were reconciled "while we were yet sinners" (Romans 5:8-9) and even though we were "dead in sins hath He quickened us together with Christ, by grace are ye saved" (Ephesians 2:5).
You also neglected (like so many others who don't teach the truth) to include verse 11 with your scripture. Verse 11 actually teaches salvation is a complete work of God! Yes, lets believe "every Word of God".
1 Corinthians 6:11[SUP] - [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
You also neglected (like so many others who don't teach the truth) to include verse 11 with your scripture. Verse 11 actually teaches salvation is a complete work of God! Yes, lets believe "every Word of God".
1 Corinthians 6:11[SUP] - [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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