WHAT IT MEANS TO BELIEVE

[Grace777x70]

Basically you either do or do not believe that salvation is found in Christ alone. If you believe you need to add to His already finished work, you go to hell. Now, it's up to you if you want to believe that or not, but there have been many posts full of scripture, not to mention the OP that show you truth. If you want to turn your back on it, that's your problem.

When people do not believe in the gospel of the grace of Christ - they have to create a system of doing good works in order to maintain righteousness and thus be acceptable to God - this is called works-righteousness and they hide this "self work" under the disguise of "obedience".

We all agree in being obedient to our Lord as He directs our lives but this happens after we were obedient to the faith and believe in Him only and in His finished work for our salvation and NOT from ourselves.

This just drives the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindset crazy. The gospel of the grace of Christ is offensive to the religious mindset and it always will be because it is at odds with their own self efforts for righteousness.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The phrase "faith in Christ alone" encapsulates a subtle deception.

We are justified by faith alone in Christ unto obedience.

But that gets twisted into we are justified by faith in Christ alone. Faith in Christ alone means believing that Christ will save us apart from any works of obedience. And they say that you can only be saved if you believe that way. This is what they call genuine, or real faith. If you don't believe this way, you're not saved (they say).

See. Here it is below.

Basically you either do or do not believe that salvation is found in Christ alone. If you believe you need to add to His already finished work, you go to hell. Now, it's up to you if you want to believe that or not, but there have been many posts full of scripture, not to mention the OP that show you truth. If you want to turn your back on it, that's your problem.

Christ alone means that it's sin to even believe that GOD requires doing his word. This originates from Martin Luther IMO who believed it was mortal sin to do a good work without praying in fear that it might condemn him.

By so much more are the works of man mortal sins when they are done without fear and in unadulterated, evil self-security.​

This was because he believed

Free will, after the fall, exists in name only, and as long as it does what it is able to do, it commits a mortal sin.

Free will, after the fall, has power to do good only in a passive capacity, but it can always do evil in an active capacity.​

The man was crazy...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Christ alone means that it's sin to even believe that GOD requires doing his word. This originates from Martin Luther IMO who believed it was mortal sin to do a good work without praying in fear that it might condemn him.

By so much more are the works of man mortal sins when they are done without fear and in unadulterated, evil self-security.​

This was because he believed

Free will, after the fall, exists in name only, and as long as it does what it is able to do, it commits a mortal sin.

Free will, after the fall, has power to do good only in a passive capacity, but it can always do evil in an active capacity.​

The man was crazy...

Faith in Christ alone is based on the belief that man is completely unable to do GOD's will. Therefore to believe that we can do GOD's will, or actually do GOD's will, is sinful pride. Faith then becomes passively experiencing GOD actively doing his will through us. To not believe this way is not a saving faith (they say).

 

[Grace777x70]

God works in us both to will and the capability to do His will and what pleases Him.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.


We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to direct our life and to depend on Christ's life in us to live in this world.

Colossians 3:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Like I said, very smart and very clever.......by worldly standards.

Your fraud.......you are not teaching and witnessing the true way of salvation. His Grace exposes that.

And your grace is the true way of salvation? Your grace that teaches a man can apostatize and still be saved because he was "born again". It doesn't take much bible knowledge and spiritual discernment to see how foolish that is.

 

[ggs7]

I like Luke 17

Luke 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"

(The apostles asked for increase of faith nothing else)

What did Jesus say?


Luke 17:9 Does he thank the servant because he did what was commanded?

(Maybe consider...1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.)

Luke 17:10 So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'


So after doing what was commanded of us we are unworthy after doing our duty.

(James 2:22 Do you see how faith worked with his works, and from the works faith was made complete?)

We shouldn't boast in our works or rely on them

 

[Grace777x70]

Understanding of the new creation in Christ ( because we have been born again - past tense ) is paramount to understanding about how our new man in Christ is separated from our flesh - called the circumcision of Christ and of the heart of man. This new man has been created in righteousness and holiness and he cannot be corrupted with sin.

The new man in Christ can NOT sin once or a thousand times because it is born of God. We need to understand these things so we can grow up in Christ.

Jesus, the Father by the Holy Spirit reside in our inner man of the heart - created in their likeness in righteousness and holiness.

They don't leave because the flesh sins. The Holy Spirit is teaching us how to walk by the spirit within so that we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh to fulfill "it's" desires.

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. ( He is Jesus who was born of God - He keeps us )

 

[garee]

And your grace is the true way of salvation? Your grace that teaches a man can apostatize and still be saved because he was "born again". It doesn't take much bible knowledge and spiritual discernment to see how foolish that is.

That is a little confusing.

To apostatize is to forsake or abandon one's belief, faith, or allegiance by denying Christ . When you sin do you deny the faith of Christ that works in your heart? Or do you not sin? Do you lose you salvation when you do sin?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So after doing what was commanded of us we are unworthy after doing our duty.

(James 2:22 Do you see how faith worked with his works, and from the works faith was made complete?)

We shouldn't boast in our works or rely on them

I like how this guy put it

Regeneration was a momentary monergistic act of quickening the spiritually dead. As such, it was God’s work alone. Sanctification, however, is in one sense synergistic – it is an ongoing cooperative process in which regenerate persons, alive to God and freed from sin’s dominion (Rom. 6:11, 14-18), are required to exert themselves in sustained obedience. God’s method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but God-dependent effort (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10-14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ’s enabling we can do nothing, morally speaking, as we should, and that he is ready to strengthen us for all that we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we “stay put” (remain, abide) in Christ, asking for his help constantly – and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

https://www.monergism.com/legacy/mt/sitepages/sanctification-ji-packer​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That is a little confusing.

To apostatize is to forsake or abandon one's belief, faith, or allegiance by denying Christ . When you sin do you deny the faith of Christ that works in your heart? Or do you not sin? Do you lose you salvation when you do sin?

The person I replied to believes in a grace that if a person believes one time and thereafter does not ever believe again, he will be saved. Essentially, it is salvation by grace apart from faith. I think his beliefs can best be described as Free Grace (as opposed to hyper grace, which IMO is essentially the Word of Faith version of Free Grace).

 

[mailmandan]

Faith in Christ alone is based on the belief that man is completely unable to do GOD's will. Therefore to believe that we can do GOD's will, or actually do GOD's will, is sinful pride. Faith then becomes passively experiencing GOD actively doing his will through us. To not believe this way is not a saving faith (they say).

Receiving eternal life through believing in Christ is God's will (John 6:40).

 

[jasonj]

Repentance is not about trying to make one's self righteous. It is commanded by GOD. Both Jesus and John came proclaiming repentance from sin into remission of sin. Equating repentance with, or trying to turn repentance into, works of law is gross darkness.

good stuff. repentance is something the spirit of God rejoices in. if a person loves sin, they'll always find a way to justify continuing in it. even in gross ways like omitting Jesus own words who paid the price to set them free. claiming to honor Jesus words is trusting works for salvation, truly blinded by the false doctrine of Grace alone leads so many dark places. to misunderstand grace leads to omission of the Lords True Words. sad but foretold. terrible to see grace so distorted when it is such a wonderful and powerful thing

titus 2:11-12 " the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation to all men, it instructs us to say no to ungodliness and wordly passions, and to live self controlled upright and godly lives....."

but the distorted grace omits any instruction to actually do what Jesus says to actually DO. if grace hates obedience to Jesus, labeling it "works for salvation" its not the Grace of God, but a lie and snare of Gods enemy, grace doesn't change God, it changes those who believe in Jesus from sinners, to saints. this isn't a fantasy we claim its a life we live by Faith in the Son of God.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Zacchaeus (who was chief among the publicans in Luke 19:2) might be a decent example to show the work of a godly sorrow which worketh repentance to salvation in. At least seeing that the Pulicans (which were of those named of Jesus who had believed John) as is shown in Mat 21:31-32. Wherein the same seems to exhibit itself in a few of the things Zacchaeus sets forth in his own example (for example in Luke 19:8) where we see the whole "Behold Lord, I give half my goods to the poor..." there. But what he says there seems very much in accord with a couple of things John taught (for example in Luke 3:11, "if one has two coats give to him that hath none", which is half, Zacchaeus own words there. That along with Luke 3:14 accusing no man falsely or taking something in such a way). And so after Zacchaeus speaks there Jesus acknowledges him as a son of Abraham. But which would be according to the work of repentence shown in him also. Or rather, being accord with the godly sorrow that worketh the same as is shown in 2 Cr 7:10 as it says, "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation..." even as we see Jesus (in the same picture) coming after John (who taught repentance) say unto Zacchaeus right after (and in Luke 19:9) This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

Just as they come out to John (confessing their sins) whereas the Pharisees rejected Johns baptism (which was a baptism unto repentance) as Zacchaeus would be a "confessed sinner" as whose house Jesus would stay (cheif among the publicans, of those who believed John) after whom would come Jesus. These seem in accord with each place there. Even as John said in Mat 3:9 to them coming out to him saying, think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. As John had just said right before it, Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance (in verse 8) So its about God raising up children unto Abraham and the same is what Jesus said to Zacchaeus in Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

That picture holds alot of insight I believe.

 

[Scriptureplz]

There are a few that only need to educate themselves on what repentance is. Some of you will never do it, but those who are really interested in settling this in their minds will likely do some research. This link would be a good start. It is no nonsense and uses scripture to show the truth of how this term is used in the bible and how it differs from mans definition, or should I say Satan's definition.

I'm convinced there are intentional false teachers on this site. For anyone wanting to know truth, you will need to stop listening to everyone and do your research on this term and make up your mind once and for all. I am going to post some material to be studied. In particular the video teaching by Tom Stegall is excellent. It's an hour long but I promise you if you watch it, in one hour you will have seen all you need to see about the term repentance and how it is used in scripture. About 15 minutes into it he starts piling on the scripture references to show how the term is used correctly.

https://thegospelofgrace.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/repentance-is-not-turning-away-from-sin/

 

[Scriptureplz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKVo50RM7G4