WHAT IT MEANS TO BELIEVE

[Grace777x70]

Of course it does, but it does not keep us from salvation. We were reconciled "while we were yet sinners" (Romans 5:8-9) and even though we were "dead in sins hath He quickened us together with Christ, by grace are ye saved" (Ephesians 2:5).

You also neglected (like so many others who don't teach the truth) to include verse 11 with your scripture. Verse 11 actually teaches salvation is a complete work of God!

1 Corinthians 6:11[SUP] - [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Amen..and it also declares that were justified ( declared righteous )

were justified here in Greek = Aorist passive. Aorist indicative tense which is an event in the past completed. Passive is something that is being done to you - you do not do it to yourself.

Righteousness from the Lord comes from being in Christ - not any works or deeds of righteousness that we do to "maintain" salvation as is commonly taught by some here. This is anti-the gospel and anti- the finished work of Christ for salvation and being with the Lord when we die.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Repentance comes from hearing the Word of God, then the Holy Spirit convicts (convinces) us: 1. that this message is true 2. that we need to repent of our old lifestyle. It's the Holy Spirit that opens our eyes & ears & softens our hardened hearts for this message to sink in. When our hearts begin to break over what we've done, the process has of repentance has begun..... but it must be completely finished, & that by acceptance of & commitment to Christ. Only then can a new life begin. Only a fool believes acceptance alone can save him, & many have tried that without true remorse to no avail.

A marriage is a commitment, & our marriage to Jesus is no different. No commitment, no marriage. In our marriage to Christ, accepting Him as Lord of our lives & living such will begin to show "fruits meet for repentance". But remember..... having a Master means doing what He says with the attitude of pleasing Him.

Matthew 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[HR][/HR]Matthew 12:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Generation of vipers..... why? 1. they were "going thru the motions" of baptism without required repentance of the heart for the sake of being accepted by John. 2. They had no intention of changing their ways. 3. They were going to continue "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the the traditions of the elders.

That in & of itself qualified them as a generation of vipers.

Now, let's look at the modern church. 1. Many, yes, many are "going thru the motions" of their religion without genuine repentance, either from the beginning or eventually as they backslide into apostasy. 2. They believe they're saved "as is", without true repentance so they have no intention of changing. 3. They're "doing what is right in their own eyes" by obeying the new doctrines that's seeping into the church. 4. They are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (2Tim 3:7). Since they don't learn the truth, they are destroyed for their lack of knowledge & rejecting the truth. (Hosea 4:6)

If John the Baptist were here today, what would he call this thing called the modern church? He would definitely call them to true repentance.

Nope! "Faith" comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (Romans 10:17).

 

[Gr8grace]

Wait a minute... let me get this right.

1. I bet you that not one person here could lay out exactly what you believe for one to be saved.
2. And many have exposed your fraud.

LOL. Self-contradiction at its finest.

Like I said, very smart and very clever.......by worldly standards.

Your fraud.......you are not teaching and witnessing the true way of salvation. His Grace exposes that.

 

[Scriptureplz]

To be saved all we do is believe (trust, rely, depend ) on Christ. He is our salvation. We are "complete in Him".

[h=1]Colossians 2:10[SUP] - [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:[/h]
[h=1]1 Corinthians 1:30[SUP] - [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:[/h]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Amen..and it also declares that were justified ( declared righteous )

were justified here in Greek = Aorist passive. Aorist indicative tense which is an event in the past completed. Passive is something that is being done to you - you do not do it to yourself.

Righteousness from the Lord comes from being in Christ - not any works or deeds of righteousness that we do to "maintain" salvation as is commonly taught by some here. This is anti-the gospel and anti- the finished work of Christ for salvation and being with the Lord when we die.

This is the false grace doctrine in essence.

• We who were unrighteous have become righteous
• Therefore, there's no need for repentance from sin
• Repentance, then, becomes acknowledging our righteousness
• Not believing that we are righteous is sin, or a symptom of sin

 

[John146]

To be saved all we do is believe (trust, rely, depend ) on Christ. He is our salvation. We are "complete in Him".

Colossians 2:10[SUP] - [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


1 Corinthians 1:30[SUP] - [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

I would add that repentance is required. Repentance, a change of mind that the way you are going will lead to hell. We need to repent towards God, and believe the Gospel of Christ. True belief requires repentance, but repentance is not a change of behavior, rather, a mindset that our way is wrong and God's way through Christ is right.

 

[Scriptureplz]

I would add that repentance is required. Repentance, a change of mind that the way you are going will lead to hell. We need to repent towards God, and believe the Gospel of Christ. True belief requires repentance, but repentance is not a change of behavior, rather, a mindset that our way is wrong and God's way through Christ is right.

How can you believe, without having repented (changed your mind)?

If you have believed, you have by default repented toward salvation. It is not something extra. That's why it was never mentioned once in the gospel of John, but "belief" was used 96 times.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Of course it does, but it does not keep us from salvation. We were reconciled "while we were yet sinners" (Romans 5:8-9) and even though we were "dead in sins hath He quickened us together with Christ, by grace are ye saved" (Ephesians 2:5).

You also neglected (like so many others who don't teach the truth) to include verse 11 with your scripture. Verse 11 actually teaches salvation is a complete work of God! Yes, lets believe "every Word of God".

1 Corinthians 6:11[SUP] - [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Verse 11 does not somehow cancel out the previous verses that says unrighteousness (sinners) shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The statement "such were some of you" means they were past tense sinners, but now they are made present day saints in Christ doing the works of righteousness by abiding in Christ, which is believing in and abiding in the words of God.

This new hyper grace preaches you cannot tell a tree by it's fruit, putting no difference between saints and sinners, and by trying to blur the lines between good and evil, darkness and light because their own works are evil.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:4-10 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Verse 11 does not somehow cancel out the previous verses that says unrighteousness (sinners) shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The statement "such were some of you" means they were past tense sinners, but now they are made present day saints in Christ doing the works of righteousness by abiding in Christ, which is believing in and abiding in the words of God.

This new hyper grace preaches you cannot tell a tree by it's fruit, putting no difference between saints and sinners, and by trying to blur the lines between good and evil, darkness and light because their own works are evil.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:4-10 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I think you need to go study some.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How can you believe, without having repented (changed your mind)?

If you have believed, you have by default repented toward salvation. It is not something extra. That's why it was never mentioned once in the gospel of John, but "belief" was used 96 times.

I think in your mind repentance and faith are the same, i.e., when a person changes his mind, he has believed..

 

[Scriptureplz]

We are only "righteous" when we place our trust in Christ alone! That is the ONLY way we can be "righteous" as I have shown in the OP. Maybe some need to start actually reading scripture instead of your own words! We only keep having these same discussions because you fail to understand scripture. Why not start at least reading it and asking God to help you understand? You are NOT saved by your own righteousness!

 

[Grace777x70]

This is the false grace doctrine in essence.

• We who were unrighteous have become righteous - Yep...we are saved and made righteous by the blood of Jesus. - it's called the gospel of the grace of Christ

• Therefore, there's no need for repentance from sin - Wrong believers in the grace of Christ believe it's in the teaching of grace and what Christ has done for us that instructs us to live godly in this world - as you have been told by many people over 100x times on these forums.....again it's in the gospel of Christ!

• Repentance, then, becomes acknowledging our righteousness - Exactly - you are starting to catch on to who we are in Christ now. When we renew our minds to who we are in Christ because we are one with Him - sin falls away like dead leaves. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. It's the gospel of the grace of Christ again

• Not believing that we are righteous is sin, or a symptom of sin - you yourself have said that we need to believe what the scriptures say. Sin in Greek means "missing the mark"...falling short of the glory of God.

God has put us in Christ and He has made us righteous so we humble ourselves and submit to what He says concerning who we are in Christ now because of Jesus finished work. It's in the gospel of the grace of Christ.

It really is called "good news " for a reason. You should look into it. It'll bless you and you will fall deeper in love with Jesus and people more then ever before.

Read my answers to your questions above after your statements.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I think you need to go study some.

Study this->>>>>

I have heard so many lies and false doctrine being spread about how ongoing sin will not effect your eternal security in Christ. I am going to prove this idea totally false by the words of Jesus. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ, then you will also believe and continue in His words right? Well here goes….

John 8:31-36 “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

These words of Jesus are so plain and simple a child could understand them, but sinners will still argue against this very plain and simple truth because they themselves are still committing sins and are servants of sin, and thus they will also try to justify themselves and ongoing sin.

Let’s break this down. Jesus said those who commit sin are a servant of sin, and a servant abides not in the house forever. That verse right there crushes this false notion that ongoing sin does not compromise eternal security. The truth is right there in front of your face. A SERVANT OF SIN ABIDES NOT IN THE HOUSE FOREVER!

People, believing in the Truth according to the words of God has the power to set you free from the bondage of sin. Jesus Christ is the very Word of God, which is Truth and is that Eternal Life. Believe in what Jesus said above, and not the lies and false doctrine of carnally minded men. Believe Jesus when He said you can indeed be set free from the bondage of sin and death.

 

[Grace777x70]

Believers in Christ are sons now. Not "trying to do things in order to become a son "..this is called works-righteousness and is NOT the gospel of the grace of Christ.

John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.

[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

John 1:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Romans 8:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

There are tons of scripture that show believers in Christ are now children of our good, loving Father

 

[Scriptureplz]

Study this->>>>>

I have heard so many lies and false doctrine being spread about how ongoing sin will not effect your eternal security in Christ. I am going to prove this idea totally false by the words of Jesus. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ, then you will also believe and continue in His words right? Well here goes….

John 8:31-36 “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

These words of Jesus are so plain and simple a child could understand them, but sinners will still argue against this very plain and simple truth because they themselves are still committing sins and are servants of sin, and thus they will also try to justify themselves and ongoing sin.

Let’s break this down. Jesus said those who commit sin are a servant of sin, and a servant abides not in the house forever. That verse right there crushes this false notion that ongoing sin does not compromise eternal security. The truth is right there in front of your face. A SERVANT OF SIN ABIDES NOT IN THE HOUSE FOREVER!

People, believing in the Truth according to the words of God has the power to set you free from the bondage of sin. Jesus Christ is the very Word of God, which is Truth and is that Eternal Life. Believe in what Jesus said above, and not the lies and false doctrine of carnally minded men. Believe Jesus when He said you can indeed be set free from the bondage of sin and death.

"John 8:31-36 “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my "DISCIPLES" indeed;[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?"


[SUP]"34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

Did you know you could be saved without being a disciple?

ALL of my sin was paid for by Christ! The only sin left that could condemn me to hell was the sin of unbelief. You better get this or you may find yourself there!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We are only "righteous" when we place our trust in Christ alone! That is the ONLY way we can be "righteous" as I have shown in the OP. Maybe some need to start actually reading scripture instead of your own words! We only keep having these same discussions because you fail to understand scripture. Why not start at least reading it and asking God to help you understand? You are NOT saved by your own righteousness!

The phrase "faith in Christ alone" encapsulates a subtle deception.

We are justified by faith alone in Christ unto obedience.

But that gets twisted into we are justified by faith in Christ alone. Faith in Christ alone means believing that Christ will save us apart from any works of obedience. And they say that you can only be saved if you believe that way. This is what they call genuine, or real faith. If you don't believe this way, you're not saved (they say).

 

[Scriptureplz]

Romans 5:18-19 - Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Do you people ever read and believe scripture?

 

[Scriptureplz]

Basically you either do or do not believe that salvation is found in Christ alone. If you believe you need to add to His already finished work, you go to hell. Now, it's up to you if you want to believe that or not, but there have been many posts full of scripture, not to mention the OP that show you truth. If you want to turn your back on it, that's your problem.

 

[Grace777x70]

The phrase "faith in Christ alone" encapsulates a subtle deception.

We are justified by faith alone in Christ unto obedience.

But that gets twisted into we are justified by faith in Christ alone. Faith in Christ alone means believing that Christ will save us apart from any works of obedience. And they say that you can only be saved if you believe that way. This is what they call genuine, or real faith. If you don't believe this way, you're not saved (they say).

We are being obedient to the faith which is believing in Christ's sacrifice alone for salvation and not relying on our own works of righteousness.

His life inside us after we are born again ( or in your religion you get born again after you get your new body - in your mind we are just "conceived" now) by His grace perfect us outwardly to reflect our new nature in Christ which has been created in righteousness and holiness.

As you have received Christ , so walk in Him. Having begun by the Spirit ( believing in Christ ) are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

You have been told these things over 100x times by many people on here.

Romans 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.