What law is written on the heart?
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Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Galatians 3:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Don't ignore Gods Word. Pay close attention.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
How? Not by works of the law, obviously.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Don't ignore Gods Word. Pay close attention.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
How? Not by works of the law, obviously.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
since you in your posts always clearly reject his word entirely, and replace it with thoughts of your own (or thoughts and words of whoever it is you trust instead of trusting yahweh), struggling and apparently trying to find justification for your sins instead of repenting as his word always says to do,
and you apparently
never agree with his word..... well.... there's really nothing anyone can do for you and no way to help .....
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and you apparently
never agree with his word..... well.... there's really nothing anyone can do for you and no way to help .....
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you are correct gotime, and they continually fail to understand even the simplest scripture.
the only reason to reply for us is not for them but apparently is just so visitors/ newbies don't fall for their traditions which they consider more important than the bible even though they are contrary to the bible.
the only reason to reply for us is not for them but apparently is just so visitors/ newbies don't fall for their traditions which they consider more important than the bible even though they are contrary to the bible.
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I think I have 
the law upon the heart is not the written code of Moses.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
the law upon the heart is not the written code of Moses.2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
How come Paul referred to the 10 commandments as the Ministration of Death and Condemnation if they are what is written on our hearts?
Why did Paul say that the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death if that same law of sin and death is written on our hearts?
Because the 10 commandments aren't written on our hearts.
Love, Joy, Peace, Patience., etc are written on our new hearts of flesh given to us by God when we come to Christ. That is the rest you are missing. He causes us to walk in His Law, Love by giving us His Love. Placing it in our hearts.
Why did Paul say that the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death if that same law of sin and death is written on our hearts?
Because the 10 commandments aren't written on our hearts.
Love, Joy, Peace, Patience., etc are written on our new hearts of flesh given to us by God when we come to Christ. That is the rest you are missing. He causes us to walk in His Law, Love by giving us His Love. Placing it in our hearts.
it doesn't matter what i think. you have repeatedly denied what the Word of God clearly says when anyone has posted it for you.
You don't even counter what they post, you have no answer for the Scripture nor for them most of the time if ever -
apparently you only choose to believe what protects your sinfulness,
and you pick verses that you think do that.
God's discipline or His judgment is certain, according to His Wisdom and Word.
You don't even counter what they post, you have no answer for the Scripture nor for them most of the time if ever -
apparently you only choose to believe what protects your sinfulness,
and you pick verses that you think do that.
God's discipline or His judgment is certain, according to His Wisdom and Word.
Yea again don't care what you think...I care what the Word of God clearly says...
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
At very best here you have made the scripture look like it contradicts itself.
I have shown fairly conclusively that the law is the 10 commandments and as Yet no one has been able to show error in how I have used those scriptures.
But for you I will answer your question on the ministration of death because I did use scripture from that chapter in my OP. and this should suffice for others who have asked a similar question.
I am going to show here how this fits with the OP because scripture does not contradict at all.
you said "How come Paul referred to the 10 commandments as the Ministration of Death and Condemnation if they are what is written on our hearts?"
The scripture you refer to here is:
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Now on a shallow glance one might see a problem here but that is not the case at all.
Notice the old covenant, "the letter killeth" "ministration of death, written and engraved on stones".
now I assume you know that the law on stone kills and brings death because all have fallen short of the glory of God. all have sinned. The letter only kills those who break it.
Now notice the new covenant, "spirit giveth life" "ministration of the spirit" Notice both have a ministration the old death the new life. the old written letter on stone the new by the Spirit.
Is this not what Paul said and I quoted in the OP?
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Notice not written with ink but with the spirit, not on stone but on the heart.
So the ministration of the Spirit is to take those same commandments and write them on the heart which gives life. because as the opp shows when this same law is on the heart God causes us to obey them and those who obey God live.
So you can see that what Paul says is 100% in line with the OP. As it should be because the bible does not contradict itself.
then you said "Why did Paul say that the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death if that same law of sin and death is written on our hearts?"
The scripture you use here is:
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The 10 commandments are not sin as the word says:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So you have misunderstood what the law of sin is. lets see what Paul says it is:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
in His mind he wants to serve the law of God but he is captive to the law of sin. So what is the law of God and what is the law of sin?
So there is the "law of God" and the "law of sin" Paul here says captive to the law of sin. so what does he do?
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Law of sin is sin according to this verse. . or in other words The law of God says though shalt not steal the law of sin says steal
if you want.
The Law of God is as I am sure you know the same law He said was good just holy, The 10 commandments. So Paul says he wants to follow the 10 commandments/law of God but he is captive to the law of sin/breaking the law of God. and sin leads to?:
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
You guessed it death. The word of God never contradicts itself.
So then what happens when the Spirit comes into us?
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The one who is free from the law of sin/breaking the law has the law fulfilled in them just as the OP said.
see in the flesh we are captive to the law of sin which brings death as Paul said:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
But when the Spirit comes the inward man gains the strength who delights in the law of God:
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
So the Spirit strengthens the inward man, so now no longer in captivity to the law of sin we are free from sin in the spirit. As you can see the word lines up everywhere.
So no God does not put the law of sin and death on our hearts that was there before that is why the letter could not save it simply revealed that we had the law of sin and death on our hearts by nature. but when we accept Christ the law of God is written on our heats and we obey it by His Spirit.
see it all lines up.
you said "Because the 10 commandments aren't written on our hearts. "
This shows you have not yet understood the role of the 10 commandments. you speak as if they are bad. Paul said they were glorious, good, holy, just.
The problem is they can't save or change you they just show that you are a slave to the law of sin/sin. But when they are on the heart you are free from sin cause the Spirit writes those same laws on your heart. Praise God. no longer slaves to sin.
I have shown fairly conclusively that the law is the 10 commandments and as Yet no one has been able to show error in how I have used those scriptures.
But for you I will answer your question on the ministration of death because I did use scripture from that chapter in my OP. and this should suffice for others who have asked a similar question.
I am going to show here how this fits with the OP because scripture does not contradict at all.
you said "How come Paul referred to the 10 commandments as the Ministration of Death and Condemnation if they are what is written on our hearts?"
The scripture you refer to here is:
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Now on a shallow glance one might see a problem here but that is not the case at all.
Notice the old covenant, "the letter killeth" "ministration of death, written and engraved on stones".
now I assume you know that the law on stone kills and brings death because all have fallen short of the glory of God. all have sinned. The letter only kills those who break it.
Now notice the new covenant, "spirit giveth life" "ministration of the spirit" Notice both have a ministration the old death the new life. the old written letter on stone the new by the Spirit.
Is this not what Paul said and I quoted in the OP?
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Notice not written with ink but with the spirit, not on stone but on the heart.
So the ministration of the Spirit is to take those same commandments and write them on the heart which gives life. because as the opp shows when this same law is on the heart God causes us to obey them and those who obey God live.
So you can see that what Paul says is 100% in line with the OP. As it should be because the bible does not contradict itself.
then you said "Why did Paul say that the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death if that same law of sin and death is written on our hearts?"
The scripture you use here is:
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The 10 commandments are not sin as the word says:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So you have misunderstood what the law of sin is. lets see what Paul says it is:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
in His mind he wants to serve the law of God but he is captive to the law of sin. So what is the law of God and what is the law of sin?
So there is the "law of God" and the "law of sin" Paul here says captive to the law of sin. so what does he do?
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Law of sin is sin according to this verse. . or in other words The law of God says though shalt not steal the law of sin says steal
if you want.
The Law of God is as I am sure you know the same law He said was good just holy, The 10 commandments. So Paul says he wants to follow the 10 commandments/law of God but he is captive to the law of sin/breaking the law of God. and sin leads to?:
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
You guessed it death. The word of God never contradicts itself.
So then what happens when the Spirit comes into us?
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The one who is free from the law of sin/breaking the law has the law fulfilled in them just as the OP said.
see in the flesh we are captive to the law of sin which brings death as Paul said:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
But when the Spirit comes the inward man gains the strength who delights in the law of God:
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
So the Spirit strengthens the inward man, so now no longer in captivity to the law of sin we are free from sin in the spirit. As you can see the word lines up everywhere.
So no God does not put the law of sin and death on our hearts that was there before that is why the letter could not save it simply revealed that we had the law of sin and death on our hearts by nature. but when we accept Christ the law of God is written on our heats and we obey it by His Spirit.
see it all lines up.
you said "Because the 10 commandments aren't written on our hearts. "
This shows you have not yet understood the role of the 10 commandments. you speak as if they are bad. Paul said they were glorious, good, holy, just.
The problem is they can't save or change you they just show that you are a slave to the law of sin/sin. But when they are on the heart you are free from sin cause the Spirit writes those same laws on your heart. Praise God. no longer slaves to sin.
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Mitspa, the Law cannot condemn it's own author, because God is not a hypocrite.
God dwells within true Believers, and therefore we also cannot be hypocrites.
The Spirit within us also moved Moses and all the Prophets to write what they wrote.
It seems I am unaccepted by both sides of this argument, as I reject the Letter mandate of Saturday as the only lawful Sabbath, and yet do not reject the Law as being an object of hatred and neglect.
Why is it useful for teaching in righteousness, as the Apostles claim, if all it does is instruct in sin? Mitspa, you go too far, brother. It shows the unbeliever their sin, and shows the believer their righteousness. Paul was no longer condemned by the Law once He met Christ: but He also did not cast it off as no longer relevant or no longer in application.
Being "under" the Law is separate from being establishers of the Law. We are no longer under the Law, but are now indwelt with the very Spirit which wrote it: it's very precepts written upon our hearts.
God dwells within true Believers, and therefore we also cannot be hypocrites.
The Spirit within us also moved Moses and all the Prophets to write what they wrote.
It seems I am unaccepted by both sides of this argument, as I reject the Letter mandate of Saturday as the only lawful Sabbath, and yet do not reject the Law as being an object of hatred and neglect.
Why is it useful for teaching in righteousness, as the Apostles claim, if all it does is instruct in sin? Mitspa, you go too far, brother. It shows the unbeliever their sin, and shows the believer their righteousness. Paul was no longer condemned by the Law once He met Christ: but He also did not cast it off as no longer relevant or no longer in application.
Being "under" the Law is separate from being establishers of the Law. We are no longer under the Law, but are now indwelt with the very Spirit which wrote it: it's very precepts written upon our hearts.
As you have written
''if yahweh had written anything at all on your heart, you would know the answer''.
Does that mean, if you believe Saturday Sabbath is a law that must be kept by the Christian, that is a law that must be written on the Christian's heart? If you believe it is, would it not then follow that you would believe no one could be a Christian unless in their heart they knew they were sinning by failing to observe Saturday as their specific Sabbath?
''if yahweh had written anything at all on your heart, you would know the answer''.
Does that mean, if you believe Saturday Sabbath is a law that must be kept by the Christian, that is a law that must be written on the Christian's heart? If you believe it is, would it not then follow that you would believe no one could be a Christian unless in their heart they knew they were sinning by failing to observe Saturday as their specific Sabbath?
What law is on the Christians heart?
That is simple to answer. If law is on your heart you MUST have heartfelt conviction you sin when you break it. That is how you know what law is on your heart. Much easier way to view it than extrapolating scripture to fit your own particular viewpoint
That is simple to answer. If law is on your heart you MUST have heartfelt conviction you sin when you break it. That is how you know what law is on your heart. Much easier way to view it than extrapolating scripture to fit your own particular viewpoint
Those of you who come on here and just read but do not respond, first of all Hi.
Warning do not be dismayed by those who would come on here and merely give a human opinion that may sound great on the surface. For it is written:
Pro_14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
but rather test all by the word of God as a faithful steward:
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
For if our faith is based on human opinion then what point is the word? IF GOd says one thing and man says another be like those faithful men before us:
Act_5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
blessings.
Warning do not be dismayed by those who would come on here and merely give a human opinion that may sound great on the surface. For it is written:
Pro_14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
but rather test all by the word of God as a faithful steward:
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
For if our faith is based on human opinion then what point is the word? IF GOd says one thing and man says another be like those faithful men before us:
Act_5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
blessings.
I have given you fact according to God's word, you have given opinion, based on your own particular extrapolation of the word.
Sin is transgression of the law. You asked what law has been written on the heart of the Christian
It is therefore correct to state a Christian knows what that law is as they must have heartfelt conviction when they break it. There is no way around that. However, you cannot accept it, for to do so would mean denying your particular beliefs.
Sin is transgression of the law. You asked what law has been written on the heart of the Christian
It is therefore correct to state a Christian knows what that law is as they must have heartfelt conviction when they break it. There is no way around that. However, you cannot accept it, for to do so would mean denying your particular beliefs.