What law is written on the heart?

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Here is what you seem to miss.

The spirit does a few things,

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Those who do not believe in Christ are in their sins and the Holy Spirit first convicts us of sin.

Sin is known through the law given on stone as you know so I won't post scripture on that.

Then we are convicted on:

Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

If you read the OP it talks of this but what happens when Jesus goes to the father what happens when we are filled with the Spirit?

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

He sends the Holy Spirit into us and empowers us by putting that same law on our hearts so that we obey/ righteousness. as it is written:

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

now the very fact that conviction of sin comes first means we then know what sin is and our need of saving. So then we will allow God to write all his law on our hearts so that we sin not.



I wont go into judgment right now.
 
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michael56 said:
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Ezekiel36:26&27

It is all of what God will do, in reference to the law being placed within them, not what man chooses to be put there.

Gotime, there is no new covenant if your views-cast in desperation I think were true
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What law is God here speaking of? Clearly he does not say new laws. The reader would have rightly understood it to be the very laws God had given on stone.

God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

How will God move you to follow his laws if you refuse to acknowledge part of it from the start?
 
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gotime said:
What law is God here speaking of? Clearly he does not say new laws. The reader would have rightly understood it to be the very laws God had given on stone.

God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

How will God move you to follow his laws if you refuse to acknowledge part of it from the start?
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Bearing in mind your above statement, do you believe if a person refuses to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath they can be saved/a Christian?
 
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See the law is good, holy and Just. its not bad but it became death to us because we broke it. That includes the Sabbath.

When that same Good, holy , Just law is in our hearts we are empowered by Gods spirit to now walk in those very laws we used to break. that is salvation from sin in Christ.

The reason the Sabbath is not on your heart is you refuse to let God put it there by refusing to accept it is sin in the fristplace to break it. You don't see your need as you should.
 
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gotime said:
See the law is good, holy and Just. its not bad but it became death to us because we broke it. That includes the Sabbath.

When that same Good, holy , Just law is in our hearts we are empowered by Gods spirit to now walk in those very laws we used to break. that is salvation from sin in Christ.

The reason the Sabbath is not on your heart is you refuse to let God put it there by refusing to accept it is sin in the fristplace to break it. You don't see your need as you should.
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

Bearing in mind your above emboldened statement, do you believe if a person refuses to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath they can be saved/a Christian?
 
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michael56 said:
Bearing in mind your above statement, do you believe if a person refuses to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath they can be saved/a Christian?
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You said, "refuses" I take that to mean they acknowledge that breaking the Sabbath is sin according to the law. and if that is so they can not be saved. that is willful sin.
 
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You said, "refuses" I take that to mean they acknowledge that breaking the Sabbath is sin according to the law. and if that is so they can not be saved. that is willful sin.
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

The above is what you wrote concerning me. Considering what you wrote, in your view can I be a Christian? It is a simple question. Should you not forthrightly answer it as a minister for my spiritual good?
 
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unless they Repent of course.
 
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gotime said:
unless they Repent of course.
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

The above is what you wrote concerning me. Considering what you wrote, in your view can I be a Christian(or can I be a Christian at this point in time if you prefer)n? It is a simple question. Should you not forthrightly answer it as a minister for my spiritual good
 
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

The above is what you wrote concerning me. Considering what you wrote, in your view can I be a Christian? It is a simple question. Should you not forthrightly answer it as a minister for my spiritual good?
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Well your question in all fairness said "a person" you did not say you were speaking of yourself.

I think you are in trouble if you do not truly search this out in prayer and study of the word it is not too late yet.

Why? because it has been brought to your attention and on judgment day you will not be able to plead ignorance. you have a bible you can pray there is no reason for you to fail to grasp this.
 
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Well your question in all fairness said "a person" you did not say you were speaking of yourself.

I think you are in trouble if you do not truly search this out in prayer and study of the word it is not too late yet.

Why? because it has been brought to your attention and on judgment day you will not be able to plead ignorance. you have a bible you can pray there is no reason for you to fail to grasp this.
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Please plainly answer the question. A minister with their heart in the right place would. For they would answer it out of their concern for a persons spiritual well being:

God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

The above is what you wrote concerning me. Considering what you wrote, in your view can I be a Christian(or can I be a Christian at this point in time if you prefer)n? It is a simple question. Should you not forthrightly answer it as a minister for my spiritual good
 
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michael56 said:
Please plainly answer the question. A minister with their heart in the right place would. For they would answer it out of their concern for a persons spiritual well being:

God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.

The above is what you wrote concerning me. Considering what you wrote, in your view can I be a Christian(or can I be a Christian at this point in time if you prefer)n? It is a simple question. Should you not forthrightly answer it as a minister for my spiritual good
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First I think you are being unfair insinuating that I am not being genuine in answering your question. If you are not insinuating that then I apologize that is just how its coming across. I am trying but it does not seem so clear cut a question to me.

If you are asking me to say if you are a christian or not, then you ask of me more than I am able to answer. I would need to know some more things first.
 
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Let me help you out. If you say I can be a Christian at this point in time, you are saying a person can be a Christian and at the same time reject the law of God as a reprove of sin, therefore rejecting God's writing it on their heart.


If you say I cannot be a Christian, you are stating no one on cc at least who has read your comments can be a Christian unless they observe specifically a Saturday sabbath
 
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Ok so let me get this one point straight first, your not asking me to say if I think you will be saved or not correct?
 
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gotime said:
First I think you are being unfair insinuating that I am not being genuine in answering your question. If you are not insinuating that then I apologize that is just how its coming across. I am trying but it does not seem so clear cut a question to me.

If you are asking me to say if you are a christian or not, then you ask of me more than I am able to answer. I would need to know some more things first.
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The above statement shows me you are not sat all concerned with my spiritual welfare, just trying at all costs not to admit your error in this thread. The truth is you are in an impossible position by your statement so have to deflect from answering it

A minister could not do that, if his sole concern was 'spiritrual wellbeing

Why would you need more information BTW, stop deflecting. Can a person be a Christian if they rejectthe law of God as a reprove, and thereby rejecting God's writing it on their heart

Everyone can see you are refusing to answer a very simple question
 
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gotime said:
Ok so let me get this one point straight first, your not asking me to say if I think you will be saved or not correct?
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Can a person be a Christian if they reject the law of God as a reprover, and thereby rejecting God's writing it on their heart
 
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