What law is written on the heart?

[gotime]

I have given you fact according to God's word, you have given opinion, not me.

Sin is transgression of the law. You asked what law has been written on the heart of the Christian

It is therefore correct to state a Christian knows what that law is as they must have heartfelt conviction when they break it. There is no way around that. However, you cannot accept it, for to do so would mean denying your particular beliefs.

Pro_14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[michael56]

Originally Posted by Jeff_56

if yahweh had written anything at all on your heart, you would know the answer. .


Jeff gave the correct answer. But will he have the courage of his convictions to answer my following question?

 

[gotime]

Originally Posted by Jeff_56

if yahweh had written anything at all on your heart, you would know the answer. .


Jeff gave the correct answer. But will he have the courage of his convictions to answer my following question?

Your question is based on your view which so far you have been unable to support from the word. It is a diversion to avoid the written word.

Jesus when He taught often said, "it is written, or what do the scriptures say". in order to divert the minds of people to the written revelation of Gods will.

The Pharisees while using scripture occasionally tried to trip Jesus up with tricky human reasoning and not of the scripture.

 

[michael56]

Your question is based on your view which so far you have been unable to support from the word. It is a diversion to avoid the written word.

Jesus when He taught often said, "it is written, or what do the scriptures say". in order to divert the minds of people to the written revelation of Gods will.

The Pharisees while using scripture occasionally tried to trip Jesus up with tricky human reasoning and not of the scripture.

The Pharisees quoted the literal word without understanding the heart of what that word contained.

When I put to my wife if the law to observe Saturday Sabbath was written on my heart, why did I not have heartfelt conviction I was sinning by not observing it? she was honest. She said she could not answer that.

Sadly, people today cannot understand much of the message contained in the word, for they only have the literal letter, that is not enough.

Paul for instance plainly states all food is clean. That is the plainly written word. Yet you do not accept it, but try to reason it away. If you can reason away such plainly written words, why should your biblical quotes not also be reasoned away, you need to be consistent.

I think it would have been better if you had not started this thread Gotime, for you cannot listen to what is being said to you, for your beliefs hinge on you refusing to accept it, and come what may you will not change your mind

 

[michael56]

Your question is based on your view which so far you have been unable to support from the word. It is a diversion to avoid the written word.

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What law is written on the heart?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law 1John 3:4

[SUP] [/SUP]Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Rom 3:20

 

[gotime]

The Pharisees quoted the literal word without understanding the heart of what that word contained.

When I put to my wife if the law to observe Saturday Sabbath was written on my heart, why did I not have heartfelt conviction I was sinning by not observing it? she was honest. She said she could not answer that.

Sadly, people today cannot understand much of the message contained in the word, for they only have the literal letter, that is not enough.

Paul for instance plainly states all food is clean. That is the plainly written word. Yet you do not accept it, but try to reason it away. If you can reason away such plainly written words, why should your biblical quotes not also be reasoned away, you need to be consistent.

I think it would have been better if you had not started this thread Gotime, for you cannot listen to what is being said to you, for your beliefs hinge on you refusing to accept it, and come what may you will not change your mind

It is very plain to see by anyone who reads this thread that you refuse to address the scriptures. You keep using human reasoning and your reasoning does not line up with Gods word.

For example you claim that Paul states all food is clean. You might want to go look up the actual word used there in Romans 14:14 before you embarrass yourself. Unclean is not an accurate translation and it is not translated as such in any of its other 9 uses in the New Testament.

you might have worked that out without having to look up the word if you followed the context.

So I am not reasoning it away I am addressing the text which you refuse to do. and it makes sense because the text does not support your view.

I don't listen to human opinion which is all you seem to have lately. rather disappointing really.

As for what your wife said what does that have to do with anything? The law is plainly written I have shown from scripture that that same law is placed on our hearts. But you do not let the word correct your error you are rather stiff necked. you know why that law is not on your heart because a veil remains over your heart and you refuse to take it down even when you can see the word says other than what you say.

I am afraid this scripture applies just as much to you:

2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

When you humble yourself and abandon your human reasoning and listen to the word then you will see. until then you will keep ignoring scripture and trying to cast doubt on those who do. Yet all the while you have not been able to show from the word my so called error.

I think it would be better to not speak if you have nothing of substance to offer. if you do address the scriptures used and show how they are missuses from the scripture.

 

[gotime]

What law is written on the heart?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law 1John 3:4

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Rom 3:20

you are going off topic friend.

The topic is what law is written on the heart.

Not what is the purpose of the law on stone.

 

[michael56]

It is very plain to see by anyone who reads this thread that you refuse to address the scriptures. You keep using human reasoning and your reasoning does not line up with Gods word.

For example you claim that Paul states all food is clean. You might want to go look up the actual word used there in Romans 14:14 before you embarrass yourself. Unclean is not an accurate translation and it is not translated as such in any of its other 9 uses in the New Testament.

you might have worked that out without having to look up the word if you followed the context.

So I am not reasoning it away I am addressing the text which you refuse to do. and it makes sense because the text does not support your view.

I don't listen to human opinion which is all you seem to have lately. rather disappointing really.

As for what your wife said what does that have to do with anything? The law is plainly written I have shown from scripture that that same law is placed on our hearts. But you do not let the word correct your error you are rather stiff necked. you know why that law is not on your heart because a veil remains over your heart and you refuse to take it down even when you can see the word says other than what you say.

I am afraid this scripture applies just as much to you:

2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

When you humble yourself and abandon your human reasoning and listen to the word then you will see. until then you will keep ignoring scripture and trying to cast doubt on those who do. Yet all the while you have not been able to show from the word my so called error.

I think it would be better to not speak if you have nothing of substance to offer. if you do address the scriptures used and show how they are missuses from the scripture.

You sound very angry gotime, that is not a good sign

I have given you spiritual reality, and simple, basic spiritual reality. You try and use the plainly written word to explain away such spiritual reality, that is not good.

This is spiritual reality:

Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” [SUP][16] [/SUP][SUP][f][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. [SUP]18 [/SUP]“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, [SUP]22 [/SUP]adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. [SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” MASRK7:14-23

But you cannot accept it, for you are fixated with the literal letter alone

 

[michael56]

you are going off topic friend.

The topic is what law is written on the heart.

Not what is the purpose of the law on stone.

If you truly cannot understand the post, and what it proves you would have major problems. If you can understand it...

 

[gotime]

You sound very angry gotime, that is not a good sign

I have given you spiritual reality, and simple, basic spiritual reality. You try and use the plainly written word to explain away such spiritual reality, that is not good.

This is spiritual reality:

Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” [SUP][16] [/SUP][SUP][f][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. [SUP]18 [/SUP]“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, [SUP]22 [/SUP]adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. [SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” MASRK7:14-23

But you cannot accept it, for you are fixated with the literal letter alone

I am not sure that you can hear me can you? I am not angry at all just so you know.

Interesting scripture you post and I would be happy to address it on another post but this one is about the law on the heart.

Nice diversion tactic.

 

[michael56]

Tell me, in your view, how can a person not be conscious they are sinning if they do not follow the law placed on their heart and written on their mind?

 

[gotime]

I am not sure that you can hear me can you? I am not angry at all just so you know.

Interesting scripture you post and I would be happy to address it on another post but this one is about the law on the heart.

Nice diversion tactic.

If you think you have proved something then maybe you have problems. state your case or give up.

 

[michael56]

If you think you have proved something then maybe you have problems. state your case or give up.

Through the law we become conscious of our sin. Therefore you must have heartfelt conviction you sin by not following the law placed on your heart and written on your mind

 

[gotime]

Tell me, in your view, how can a person not be conscious they are sinning if they do not follow the law placed on their heart and written on their mind?

Rather how can God put a law on someones heart if that person refuses to allow parts to be put there?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

 

[michael56]

Rather how can God put a law on someones heart if that person refuses to allow parts to be put there?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Your comment, if spoken from the heart and not as a desperate attempt to avoid answering the question would show you do not understand the core of the new covenant the Christian is under.

I'm sorry, but your reasoning, in desperation to avoid the plain and simple spiritual truth leaves no further point in discussion. Paul was not referring to Christians in your quote, or do you believe he was?

 

[gotime]

Through the law we become conscious of our sin. Therefore you must have heartfelt conviction you sin by not following the law placed on your heart and written on your mind

That was the role of the law on stone:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

That same Law says:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This happens before the law is written on the heart as you know is the case in Romans 7.

But if we do not acknowledge sin then how can God then write the law on our hearts?

The Sabbath is not on your heart because a veil remains over your heart as you do not acknowledge the role of the law on stones so you can not receive it on the heart.

 

[JaumeJ]

In response to the title of this thread only, if one need ask which laws are written on the heart, it is a good idea to read the law in the Old Testament, but first know what Jesus teaches about the law.

The law, engraved on stone leaves no room for mercy, however when we have it written in our inward parts, on our hearts, and know our Lord loves mercy, we gladly show mercy where a law may call for severity.

All too many of our brethren assume that the law is abolished, but when reading, studying the law, we can discern by the Holy Spirit which laws should not be observed. We know this also by the Example of Jesus Christ. Some foolish people, who claim to have studied and believe all of the Word, discount the wisdom of the law..

Does not the Holy Spirit residing in you tell you that if you come across lost property of an enemy, you should return it to him? And if you are aware of the parable of the Sower and the seed and the earth, then you know that the law to not sow two kinds of seed in the same field is very wise indeed. The Sower is the Lord, Jesus Christ, the seed is His Teaching, and the field or earth is mankind. It would be wrong to introduce another gospel, not that there is one, instead of the pure truth from our blessed Savior.

The Holy Spirit, and mercy will show all how to obey the law. When your disceern th elaws, you will see that your newe nature already has you observing them in the spirit, so don not be afraid to know the law, as long as your first faith is in Jesus Christ and the mercy and grace He has givenus all.

 

[gotime]

Your comment, if spoken from the heart and not as a desperate attempt to avoid answering the question would show you do not understand the core of the new covenant the Christian is under.

I'm sorry, but your reasoning, in desperation to avoid the plain and simple spiritual truth leaves no further point in discussion. Paul was not referring to Christians in your quote, or do you believe he was?

He was referring to those who did not allow the law to be written on their hearts.

 

[gotime]

Tell me, in your view, how can a person not be conscious they are sinning if they do not follow the law placed on their heart and written on their mind?

If the person has allowed God to write His whole law on their hearts then then they can not be ignorant if they are sinning.

 

[michael56]

If the person has allowed God to write His whole law on their hearts then then they can not be ignorant if they are sinning.

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Ezekiel36:26&27

It is all of what God will do, in reference to the law being placed within them, not what man chooses to be put there.

Gotime, there is no new covenant if your views-cast in desperation I think were true