What of the dinosaurs?

[dcontroversal]

Oh, you are quite convinced that is a human footprint in the image you posted then?

And dogs don't bark, right?

No actually dogs do quite a few things like growl, whine, and bark....so....I guess you think it is a deer or a monkey or maybe LUCY....whatever man.....!

See...the circular reasoning that most of science uses as proof and or the THEORIES are exactly that...theory, supposition, guesses and round and round we go....heck....lets just get a roulette wheel...place uneducated (educated) guesses, theories and stupid ideas and let the ball roll.....sure we can come up with a few new moronic ideas about how all this came together!

Maybe the space brothers or little green men sowed the planet with some electrified protein filled sludge pool and threw in a couple of worms for the sake of it HAHAH....funny for sure!

 

[Calminian]

Well, I just dunno about that.

I am not incarcerated in a federal prison for numerous felonies, like Kent Hovind is.

In fact, I have never been arrested for anything.

Yes but there are all kinds of despicable people that have not been arrested. And some very good people have been. Martin Luther and Galileo come to mind. The apostle Paul also spent quite of bit of time in jail.

So yes you have that on Hovind. He sincerely believed he had the legal right under the constitution to not pay certain taxes, and he stood firm. He was very open about it. I think it was a foolish stand to make, but made it. Does that make him evil? I don't think so.

I think you just don't like his views on origins and so you've taken to cyber space to spread gossip and slander about him. The law allows you to be a gossip and slanderer, but doesn't allow him to avoid certain taxes. In God's eyes though, your sins are worse IMO. I would never want my kids to be like you, in fact I will use your behavior as an example of what not to be. If you think this is what Christ wants you to do, you're terribly mistaken.

 

[Calminian]

BTW, I'd like to invite everyone to check out the Genesis Park website, where they focus on ancient artifacts and dinosaur depictions. Fascinating stuff.

Genesis Park | Dinosaurs: living evidence of a powerful Creator

Here is their specific link for Ancient Dinosaur Depictions. It's my view that dinosaurs were wiped out within a few hundred years after the Flood. The combination of the Ice Age and hunting for sport and notoriety caused them to disappear faster than any other kind of animal. Therefore, many of these sculptures and depictions may have been formulated from memories and passed down stories. But without question they are uncanny depictions by people with no knowledge of dinosaurs from science.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Well, I just dunno about that.

I am not incarcerated in a federal prison for numerous felonies, like Kent Hovind is.

In fact, I have never been arrested for anything.

It would appear you are a bit confused about what a proper Christian role model is, among other things like the age of the earth.

But I will admit, I never took any of my children on a ride on a real dinosaur in my Dinosaur Adventure Land in my backyard like Kent says he did.

My bad.

One verse.. This is for Mr. Kent


Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 

[Calminian]

You know it's funny, I think most of our ideas about dinosaurs come from hollywood rather than from the paleontological evidence.

I was actually watching a secular documentary on T-Rex, where they were trying to determine scientifically how fast T-Rex could run. Taking everything into account, they downgraded his running speed to 11mph, and also speculated that he likely never ran as it would have been incredibly dangerous for him. We know Elephants rarely run, and if they ever stumble while running the fall would be fatal. Thus they concluded T-Rex likely walked the vast majority of the time.

They also reexamined the brain cavity of T-Rex and found their brains were much smaller then previously believed.

IOW's, in contrast to Hollywood depictions, T-Rex was very slow and very dumb. This is secular scientists saying this, not creationist.

Now the Bible says that there were mighty hunters before the Lord early after the flood (Nimrod for example), and these early hunters became respected leaders. (Nimrod was the first tyrant recorded in scripture.) We also see this in ancient folklore, where dragon slayers became famous and respected.

My theory is, dinosaurs were inferior beasts who were very vulnerable after the flood. Smarter predators like bears and large cats and dogs were much more evasive. But dinosaurs were too slow and too dumb to avoid opportunistic hunters who were looking for notoriety. Dragging a giant reptile though town was a way to get respect and probably lots of women. They were easy to kill, but also easy to lie about being how scary they looked.

When you look a dragon folklore today, they are always depicted and invincible—fast, smart etc. Even in Jurassic Park they were depicted that way. The truth is, scientifically speaking, they would have been slow and dumb and sitting ducks for human hunters.

By the way, here's a very interesting article I spied on the speed of T-Rex. This is not a creationist article, mind you.

Could you outrun a Tyrannosaurus rex?

This really confirms in my mind how off our perceptions of dinosaurs are. Jack and Cycel have the Jurassic Park movie view of them, but I wonder if they've ever looked into how realistic those depictions were. As a kid I definitely was sold the story line about T-Rex—"the most awesome predator that ever walked the earth." But that image has been shattered.

Dinosaurs were likely quite vulnerable creatures in a world where hunting was common. I suspect that T-Rex could outrun kids and pregnant women and the elderly, but that's about it. And I highly suspect they wanted nothing to do with humans in the first place.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

T. Rex lived mostly where currently is Western North America. Migration of people from Asia into that area happened very recently in the human timeline, so if any connection of earliest N. Americans is made to drawings of dinosaurs or other records, that would at least verify coexistence of humans and dinosaurs where dinosaurs lived. That explains why nobody in the Middle East saw such a dinosaur, and inclusion of it in the Bible would have amounted to a fairy tale to early readers.

I doubt any dinosaurs would have survived in significant numbers during region-wide human food shortages after the flood, such animals making fine meals for very hungry folks.

 

[JackH]

So yes you have that on Hovind. He sincerely believed he had the legal right under the constitution to not pay certain taxes

I think you just don't like his views on origins and so you've taken to cyber space to spread gossip and slander about him. The law allows you to be a gossip and slanderer, but doesn't allow him to avoid certain taxes.

As usual, you are confused, very confused.

Spreading lies on the internet is considered to be libel, not slander, and individuals have gone to jail for doing so.

Emphasis is on the word lies.

Is Kent Hovind currently serving a 10-year sentence after being convicted of 58 federal charges or not? And it just wasn’t tax offenses. Obstructing federal agents and illegal structuring of cash transactions so as to avoid the creation of certain records required by law.

I could go on and on about Hovind’s New World Order conspiracies.

Definitely a guy whose credibility shouldn’t be questioned, ‘eh?

It appears to me you are doing some bearing false witness in accusing me of slander. That might be in the Bible somewhere.

 

[Percepi]

The serpent was the T-Rex but over-time, it evolved into a crocodile and which the word that was use in the original text in replaced as serpent is crocodile. The bible doesn't mentions anything about gorillas, but they all are consider as beast or beastly creatures of size. And so these reptiles had once stood upright.

<strong>[video=youtube_share;45yabrnryXk]http://youtu.be/45yabrnryXk[/video]

First of all, these lizards only stand upright while running. Second, their skeptical structure is entirely different than that of dinosaurs, especially the T-Rex. Immediately, I must point out the legs. Notice how the Jesus Lizard's legs are sprawled out to the side. The T-Rex's legs do not sprawl outward like that. Therefore, we can immediately throw out your claim that this lizards ability to walk on hind legs is proof it evolved from the T-Rex.

If you want to prove this lizard evolved from the T-Rex, show us actual proof. One would expect transitional fossils linking the two. Where are they?

Honestly, I've said what I had to say and so far people have repeated the same exact bunk I've already debunked. So if I'm going to spend the time debating this issue with anyone, I need them to admit the following: 1. That they are open to the idea that they may be wrong. 2. That they are open to abandoning their creationist views if enough evidence is presented to them.

Many creationists will never admit that it's possible they might be wrong and they will always assume evidence supporting evolution is wrong no matter how convincing it may be. If you're this kind of creationist, you're not worth talking to since there's nearly a 100% chance I'll achieve the same results as I would talking to a brick wall.

 

[Calminian]

As usual, you are confused, very confused.

Spreading lies on the internet is considered to be libel, not slander, and individuals have gone to jail for doing so.

But I'm using biblical nomenclature here since you're claiming to be a christian. The biblical sin of slander (katalaleo) is not necessarily the legal definition of libel or slander in the american justice system. There are many types of gossip and slander that are not illegal in america but sinful before God.

Now you're mentioning that Hovind got put away for multiple things yet not mentioning what they are. That's gossip and slander. It would be like someone calling the apostle Paul a terrible criminal, and then just leaving it at that, and not telling the rest of the story.

I'm sure if you talked to the authorities in Paul's day they'd make it sound really bad as well. But Hovind really believed he didn't owe taxes. That's not the smartest move, but I can think of much more evil behaviors—like yours, gleefully announcing his sins over the internet. Sorry, Jack, you're worse than him.

I could go on and on about Hovind’s New World Order conspiracies.

I'm sure you're could. You're obsessed with him. You know more about Hovind's shortcomings than you do about the entire origins debate.

It appears to me you are doing some bearing false witness in accusing me of slander. That might be in the Bible somewhere.

See even you use the word slander, after correcting me on it. But I'm merely pointing out publicly your sin of gossip and slander which you did publicly. Public sin is supposed to be rebuked publicly (1Tim. 5:20). I'm bound to do it.

 

[JackH]

I suspect that T-Rex could outrun kids and pregnant women and the elderly, but that's about it. And I highly suspect they wanted nothing to do with humans in the first place.

And Newt Gingrich killed that T.rex there in his office with his bare hands.

I doubt Newt could outrun T.rex either. Obama maybe.

 

[Calminian]

BTW, here's the Genesis 3D movie project Eric Hovind is working on. Eric is a good guy, and that tells me his father may not be the demon Jack is accusing him of. It's so sad when christians act like Jack. I guess he feels if he points out the sins of others, it makes him look better.

[video=youtube;H1rKmD-MAco]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=H1rKmD-MAco[/video]

 

[jandian]

Whose report will you believe? I will believe the report of the LORD.

 

[christianperson91]

When exactly did they roam the earth?

Scientific evidence points to the Dinosaurs beginning to roam our Earth around/estimated 231.4 mya, and the end of their reign, around 66 mya.

And thank God (literally) the dinosaurs (and what ended them) did not hurt humans.

Dinosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JackH]

Now you're mentioning that Hovind got put away for multiple things yet not mentioning what they are. That's gossip and slander.

What I posted is true, right? Dr. Hovind is a convict, right? He was convicted on 58 federal charges and incarcerated for 10 years, right?

Have you read Dr. Hovind's doctoral dissertation?

What a hoot.

In the second post on this thread Brainfreeze posted a link to a Hovind video and said: "Here's a guy who explains it well Blain."

No, Hovind's explanation is pathetic, in my opinion.

Consider the source. Hovind is a convict and a liar.

 

[Cycel]

And here's the real story:

Dinosaurs in Greco-Roman art?

Now this is what I view as a credible source, an article in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

For those who don't like it when someone drops a link with no explanation, the subtitle summarizes the article quite nicely: "Dinosaurs and pterosaurs in Greek and Roman art and literature. An investigation of young-earth creationist claims."

Basically, the article refutes just about everything you posted.

Very nice! I bookmarked it.

 

[Kerry]

Folks read it again.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth this is before the 6 day creation comes into account. The Earth was here as well as Mars and pluto and the milky way the son and the moon and Jupiter and Mercury and so on.

Why would God create an Earth that was void and full of darkness, God is light and in Fact shone light on the Eatrh beforethe Sun was allowed to shine. Your English bible will say that on the fourth God Made the Sun to shine It does not say that it was created on the fourth day and in the Hebrew it is a word of permission. Like saying you made your neighbor stop his dog from barking. Nothing was created but you called the police and made the dog stop barking. Do you understand.

 

[dcontroversal]

What I posted is true, right? Dr. Hovind is a convict, right? He was convicted on 58 federal charges and incarcerated for 10 years, right?

Have you read Dr. Hovind's doctoral dissertation?

What a hoot.

In the second post on this thread Brainfreeze posted a link to a Hovind video and said: "Here's a guy who explains it well Blain."

No, Hovind's explanation is pathetic, in my opinion.

Consider the source. Hovind is a convict and a liar.

So what...Paul was imprisoned and wrote almost half of the N.T.
Peter was Imprisoned and both he and Paul were executed by Rome
Jesus was arrested, tried and put to death as a common criminal....

So your point is moot Jack-I-poo!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Scientific evidence points to the Dinosaurs beginning to roam our Earth around/estimated 231.4 mya, and the end of their reign, around 66 mya.

And thank God (literally) the dinosaurs (and what ended them) did not hurt humans.

Dinosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have not read of a single absolute scientific proof of such long ages back to dinosaurs. It can't be valid if based on a single assumption or previous "We believe" such and such leading to a new assumption is not scientific thinking unless modern scientists decide it is. If they did that, then it has no value except among themselves, patting each other on the shoulder. Fossils dated by rocks, rocks dated by fossils. It is still considered "science" in spite of evidences they have been wrong for a century. The problem with this issue is getting a full case over in a post, many other posts separating discussions. Then, the issue is well known, long posts don't get read. Posts with too many points are neglected. Without debating parties going to labs, museums, the field, all they have to discuss is what other people have written or said on a video.

I have spent too many years debating evolutionists to no good purpose except to divide people. It all becomes passing back and forth internet links in abundance, reducing precious time that ought to focus on the Bible. The evolutionists typically inject so much doubt of God's word that many readers begin to doubt it all. Few have the science background to deal with the issue. The whole thing is almost entirely centered among college scholars who openly reject God. It is an atheistic tenet. It is an academic tragedy. In almost all non-academic centered fields of science beyond college this subject just isn't tolerated except among publishers of evolution articles, books, and college curriculum. Chemists inventing drugs could care less about evolution. Geologists each have their own specialty, hardly any ever dealing with evolution. Scientists deal with real data, not a heap of speculation. Researchers learn to avoid faulty information like evolutionary speculation. It all stands as a premier tool for atheists and other deceivers to disarm Christians. What ought not matter to folks in general is distraction. Evolution ideas do no good purpose for most, but it helps sustain the living of evolutionists. It is vanity and vexation of spirit.

CChat ought to be a place for Christians to propose ideas consistent with the Bible. There are plenty of secular sites to enter into the frustrating world of secular science., philosophy, and other distractions. Here I'd like to see Christian perspectives. This is not a college, and science courses are not feasible here. I would like to propose that any direct refutation of the Bible account of beginnings ought to not be allowed once the Bible account is presented. Let the evolutionists inhabit the dark world of evolutionist sites.

 

[Tintin]

Scientific evidence points to the Dinosaurs beginning to roam our Earth around/estimated 231.4 mya, and the end of their reign, around 66 mya.

And thank God (literally) the dinosaurs (and what ended them) did not hurt humans.

Dinosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Science over God's Word, right? Right?

 

[JackH]

So what...Paul was imprisoned and wrote almost half of the N.T.
Peter was Imprisoned and both he and Paul were executed by Rome
Jesus was arrested, tried and put to death as a common criminal....

So your point is moot Jack-I-poo!

In order to make it a moot point, you would have to establish that Dr. Dino was unjustly persecuted/imprisoned as Paul, Peter and Jesus were.

So, let's see you do that.

And then please convince us that O.J. never murdered anyone.