What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

garee · Oct 17, 2017

I would agree with the the interpretation of that parable but see it more this way.

To bring the gospel to orphans (Fatherless in respect to our father in heaven ) and widows (those who are not members as the bride of Christ) in their affliction.

The same could be applied to the earthly to the Christian widows who husbands have passed away or wives.

Snoozy · Oct 17, 2017

well lets see. ive opened the door once or twice for people at the super market. hope thats good enough, what else do i gotta do? also id like to hear what have u done?

crossnote · Oct 17, 2017

Grandpa said:

And how many times visiting the orphans and widows until one is proven to have true faith?

Bogadile · Oct 17, 2017

crossnote said:

This has to be my biggest pet peeve with this view of salvation, they never give specifics on exactly how much good works are required. And how much bad works to be disqualified.
I really wish someone could give me a chart with specific amounts. Would help ease out the confusion greatly.

Jackson123 · Oct 17, 2017

Bogadile said:

the saved, has Christ in his heart, Christ is love, every time the saved see people in need, the saved try to help, it is impossible for a man without Christ in it to do it. It not a matter of how many time, but a matter of whether Christ in or not

when Christ in our heart, this is what happen

matt 25

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Studyman · Oct 17, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

"Alms" means "Compassion towards the poor" in Greek.

Jesus told us;

Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your "good works", and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jesus said there is only one being that is "Good" and that is God. Therefore only "God's" works are "Good". Man's "work" is a filthy rag.

Remember, Jesus didn't feed everyone, and He didn't heal "everyone". Men feeding the poor is not a "Good" work of God because God is able to raise up stones to feed the poor.. Therefore when we are led to do it, we must do it before God and not man.

But that is different than to "Love God with all your heart" or obeying God's Holy Sabbaths He created for man. Of observe other "Good" Works God created for us. These are "works" of Faith that show others, and our self, who we serve.

I am not ashamed to obey God and follow His Righteousness.

If I have faith in the Catholic church, I show my faith by eating fish on Friday, or Lent, etc. If I have faith in Mohammad, I show my faith by my prayer rug.

If I have Faith in the God of Abraham and His Son, then I show that faith by serving Him and obeying his instructions. Jesus said to let this light shine before men.

Since men naturally hate God as it is written, they will also hate those who do the "works of God".

Matt. 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

So when we are scorned for simply doing as our Savior and God instructs, God is glorified because He said this would happen.

1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

It is evil to know a Commandment of God and reject it. That IS the definition of sin.

13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

From the only God of Abraham preaching church on the planet killing Jesus and Stephen for doing the perfect "works" of God, all the way back to Abel, who was killed by his "Christian" brother because Abel did God's righteousness, and his brother rejected God's Righteousness. This theme continues to this day.

If you want to see the scorn of the "Many" who come in Christ's name, simply mention the righteousness of God's Holy Sabbath, or of His Holy Days, or the sin of creating images of God in the likeness of some men's hair shampoo model. Just like Jesus said.

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer,(By definition a transgressor of God's Commandments) or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God "commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing," as unto a faithful Creator. .

Another work we are instructed to do.

DayVerlo · Oct 17, 2017

mailmandan said:

As I stand, I only have one scripture to repeat. . .

Matthew 7:7 King James Version (KJV)

7. Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

So what's there to talk about. It's a done deal.

But without rebirth it makes no sense.

Rebirth means walking away from All of your Old life. That means your Mother, Father, Siblings, Greater family, For His sake. Your home, your town, your country.

Your money, your education and All that worked for you. With a brain renewed, AND Start Over. From scratch.

Try it sometime. I did. The timeline it took, I'll keep secret, ok?

FlSnookman7 · Oct 17, 2017

John 6:28-29 28 [FONT=&quot]Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”[/FONT]

Bogadile · Oct 17, 2017

Studyman said:

The reason people "scorn" you is because Jesus never told us to keep the Sabbath, nor did Paul or Peter. They did not mention any other Holy Days either, therefore the "just like Jesus said" is more like "Just like Jesus never mentioned these Holy Days".
Only in recent times has there been a resurgence of Sabbath keeping and torah observance, the problem of course is, if you keep the Sabbath and Holy Days, you should also get circumcised, wear tassels, keep the dietary laws and so on. You cannot just pick and choose which commandments apply.
We know from Acts 15 that circumcision certainly does not apply. So how can the apostles say that? It is an eternal covenant? Because, when the high priest changes, so does by necessity the law, as it is stated in Hebrews.

You guys make a big deal out of keeping the Sabbath. But which is worse, not keeping the sabbath or dishonoring your parents? One has consequences for other people the other does not.
I know you guys like to argue that keeping the Sabbath shows love toward God, but really, do you expect us to believe the Church has been lost on this subject for 2000 years, and that Jesus, Peter, Paul and John all forgot to mention that we MUST keep the Sabbath, since you guys make it a salvation issue. (Or proof of salvation, whichever way you go).
The apostles would have mentioned something of this importance many many times, yet we have no mention of it.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

loveme1 said:

I am doing no such thing ma'am. I am not trying to get anyone to boast about any good work they did.
The fact is, according to your understanding of what good works are and those who believe as you do, to tell others about what you did in, this so called, faith, it would be bragging about yourselves because God had no part in it.
The subject is about faith and good works.
I am simply asking what it is that you people are teaching, as it applies to you own lives.
I'm using your words and phrases to describe scriptures you interpreted.
And when I say you, I mean people who believe as you do.
I am merely pointing out a flaw in your interpretations and understanding of what faith is and what good works are.
I am not the one who is teaching this doctrine. I'm just asking for anyone who believes this way to give me an example, and as I already knew, no one, and I mean absolutely no one, has been able to give one example of this so called "true faith" that they were able to show others, as James was willing to do and as Jesus told us to let shine before men.
If this doctrine yours is true, and you good works prove that you are truly born again, then no should have any problem giving an example of that true faith I've been reading about.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

p_rehbein said:

No sir, it most definitely is not a bragging about one's self, thread.
If it about giving an example of-
Please read my open post. It should give you a better understanding of what this thread is about. And if you don't understand it after that, then look for each of my replies to other's posts, and that should do the trick. Otherwise, I'm just repeating myself.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

mailmandan said:

"Because of YOU!!!"

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

notuptome said:

I walk in newness of life. The old me is gone and the new me goes before men to testify of what Christ has done in me. I speak of Christ as I never could before and I tell others of the Christ Who saved me from my sins. I act differently and I desire things that I never had any interest in before. I enjoy the word of God and I seek out good preaching. I delight to fellowship with Gods people on Sunday at church.

Where are all the Pentecostals and charismatics? Why are they not here telling of their great works of tongues, healings and words of prophecy? Surely those who have healed others and raised the dead should testify of such. No extra charge for the side bar.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I agree. I am one who is here to testify of such, but it certainly wouldn't be to brag about my works.
It would be to brag about God's work in my life. To brag about and on Jesus.

crossnote · Oct 17, 2017

Bogadile said:

How about a chart that shows Christ 100% Us 0% ? Our faith should be 100% in His Righteousness, 0% in ours.

Blain · Oct 17, 2017

know1 said:

Let it not be by my mouth nor my acknowledge that my works are spoken or proven to show evidence of my faith and standing as a child of God rather let it instead be spoken by others.
If one needs to prove their standing by their works then they misunderstand works in general. Works are not something we do to prove anything it is the fruits of a changed heart and also not all works are the same as there is not any one kind of serving. For instance think about this forum, for every person who helps to guide and teach in a Christ like and loving manner has just done a work for god's kingdom especially if if the reason and the motive of the persons heart for doing so was done in love. And for every person who encourages and helps to build others up and to guide them and strengthen them in love and in Christ they have just done a work for God.

What I love about the internet and about this forum is that even for people like me who cannot do hardly anything in real world and are limited greatly and can only commune with others on a computer we can be used vastly and greatly by God. Words have power, far more than what people give them credit for. Think of the parable of the farmer who sows seeds now think of the soil area as the internet the internet is perhaps the largest farming area in existence we have the capabilities of sowing seeds in the hearts of people on the other side of the world.

and the interesting thing about the internet is that people tend to show who they really are deep inside because the luxury of being behind a screen gives us the sense of protection to speak what we normally wouldn't face to face. We do works all the time and in every post we make on this forum the proof of our works and of where we stand in Christ and of our hearts are best decided by those who read our hearts everyday that we post. We can speak of our own accord by the jury of our peers are better suited to speak

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I'm sorry I passed over you post sir.
That's an easy one.
The very good works you all claim have, that proves you have the so called true faith, and the same that says you are a believer in Christ. That is wood and stubble.
The fact that no one, not even a single person, can give me even ONE good work that they have done that proves they have the true faith of the bible, the same kind James was talking about, tells me a couple of things.
One, that the works that everyone has been doing only prove it is of themselves and not of God.
Two, that God had no part in the work for you to even give any glory to Him.
These kinds of works are all hay and stubble.
Do you preach the bible to others?
That is a work.
Are you able to give God any glory out of your being able to preach the gospel? What about some of the things you might know? Who taught you what you have learned? Did God, or man?
If it was God who you learned from, then you could brag on GOD that it was He who taught you. I'm talking about revelations, the kind where the light seems to suddenly come on. Or you heard a voice tell you something you never saw before in scripture.
But if you learned everything from men such as a pastor or commentators, then you have nothing to brag on God about. For the heathen can and do do the same.
If you can't boast and give glory to God for any work or anything, then it was or is of self.
And that is why all of you can't find a single thing to show or brag about, because it will be about and on you and not about and on God.
Was there not a single work that God did in your life, as a result of your faith, where it was impossible for you to do or to receive?
God said His strength or power is made perfect through our weaknesses or inabilities.
So what did God do in your life that you could not have done on your own strengths or abilities? For ALL strengths, enablements, and empowerments come from God through Jesus Christ.
For it is written,
"I can do all thing through Christ, which strengthens, enables, and empowers me".
That revelation alone, I receive from God, not men. Then I looked up what I heard, and the Greek dictionary said the very same thing I heard.
Were you able to save yourself from your sins or even to give yourself eternal life?
You have to do something first before you receive Jesus' flesh and blood, that you might have life abiding in you.
That work was to confess Him openly.
So one good work or work of faith that you did, and can brag about, because it was not you who did the work, would be that you received Jesus BY confessing Him as your lord and savior.
And as I have said from the beginning, and as it is written in Romans 10:10, confessing is both a work and word of faith, WHEN you believe in your heart.
So to put it simply, in this example, a good work that you did, where you can't brag on yourself, because it wasn't you who did the real work, is that you CONFESSED Jesus as your lord and savior.
And when you did that, GOD made you His son. Not you. You only acted on what you believed, and when God saw that faith in action, He did what you were not able to do, and made you a new creature. That is if you truly believed and acted on that belief. That act was the good work or work of faith.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

mailmandan said:

Can you give me a quote of mine please?
Where I "stressed faith of God" and not "in God".

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

crossnote said:

I apologize to you too sir.
It was simply an oversight. My fault completely.
To answer in the reverse order.
Only one work, and it has to be in accordance to your faith, or what you believe in your heart.
If you believe the gospel in your heart, and act on that belief, that is the only work required, according Paul and James.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

Grandpa said:

Those are simply works of the law, not works of faith.
Anyone can do those things, even the tares that are among the wheat in the church.

know1 · Oct 17, 2017

Snoozy said:

Even though I know you were being sarcastic, that's exactly what everyone's interpretation of good works is. The very kind that says they have the true faith.
Those so called good work have nothing to do with faith.
All you're doing is bragging about yourself by the good deeds you've done.
I have not been saying that one is saved by their good deeds/works, but by one act of faith.

What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

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