What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

[know1]

This has to be my biggest pet peeve with this view of salvation, they never give specifics on exactly how much good works are required. And how much bad works to be disqualified.
I really wish someone could give me a chart with specific amounts. Would help ease out the confusion greatly.

What would help even more is if you understood what I have been saying from the beginning, which is contrary to what you have been insinuating of me, in a not so subtle way.
Please read my posts, that you might understand my position and not look like a fool.
I really thought more of most of you. I though you would at least say what I have been saying.
But I see some of you are caught up in the sarcasms.
Sorry to see that.
I don't know how many times I have said this, or how many more times or how big I have to make the fonts, before many of you can even see that I have not be saying one has to do works to get or stay saved.
And then you go right back to misquoting me all over again.
Why is that?

 

[know1]

"Alms" means "Compassion towards the poor" in Greek.

Jesus told us;

Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your "good works", and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jesus said there is only one being that is "Good" and that is God. Therefore only "God's" works are "Good". Man's "work" is a filthy rag.

Remember, Jesus didn't feed everyone, and He didn't heal "everyone". Men feeding the poor is not a "Good" work of God because God is able to raise up stones to feed the poor.. Therefore when we are led to do it, we must do it before God and not man.

But that is different than to "Love God with all your heart" or obeying God's Holy Sabbaths He created for man. Of observe other "Good" Works God created for us. These are "works" of Faith that show others, and our self, who we serve.

I am not ashamed to obey God and follow His Righteousness.

If I have faith in the Catholic church, I show my faith by eating fish on Friday, or Lent, etc. If I have faith in Mohammad, I show my faith by my prayer rug.

If I have Faith in the God of Abraham and His Son, then I show that faith by serving Him and obeying his instructions. Jesus said to let this light shine before men.

Since men naturally hate God as it is written, they will also hate those who do the "works of God".

Matt. 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

So when we are scorned for simply doing as our Savior and God instructs, God is glorified because He said this would happen.

1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

It is evil to know a Commandment of God and reject it. That IS the definition of sin.


13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;


From the only God of Abraham preaching church on the planet killing Jesus and Stephen for doing the perfect "works" of God, all the way back to Abel, who was killed by his "Christian" brother because Abel did God's righteousness, and his brother rejected God's Righteousness. This theme continues to this day.


If you want to see the scorn of the "Many" who come in Christ's name, simply mention the righteousness of God's Holy Sabbath, or of His Holy Days, or the sin of creating images of God in the likeness of some men's hair shampoo model. Just like Jesus said.

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.



14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer,(By definition a transgressor of God's Commandments) or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?



18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?


19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God "commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing," as unto a faithful Creator. .

Another work we are instructed to do.

Finally, finally, finally, someone who understands something about faith and good works.
I commend you sir.
Everyone has been complicating something so simple and easy to be seen.
Thank you for a very good post.

 

[BillG]

What works or type of works are we talking about?

We know faith produces good works. The things that Jesus talks about when separating the sheep and the goats.
Even non Christians do that. And to be honest I know non Christians who do such things more than some Christians I know.

I will probably be slated here but I would like to ask is it possible that genuine faith produces good works in is as individuals and becoming and growing into the person that God wants us to be?

A simple example may be.

A person struggle with anger or gets angry easily. They come before God and says I hate this and prays for God to help them.
As they place their faith in him to help then anger starts to decrease as it does then those around start seeing a little bit more of Jesus in them.

To me I think seeking God in faith where we lack faith is a good work and the result of God working in us is producing fruit.

So in a sense it’s not good works that I have done but it’s good works that God has done in me.

I will give a example for me.

I suffered with a severe gambling problem for a long long time. Even though I hated it with a passion.
I sought God day and night for years.
It affected me and my interaction with everyone around me (even those who had no idea what was going on)
I will not go into the details as to how God dealt with it but he did.
My interactions with people has changed and for the good.
Today I did not gamble.
Does that count as a good work or not?

 

[know1]

The reason people "scorn" you is because Jesus never told us to keep the Sabbath, nor did Paul or Peter. They did not mention any other Holy Days either, therefore the "just like Jesus said" is more like "Just like Jesus never mentioned these Holy Days".
Only in recent times has there been a resurgence of Sabbath keeping and torah observance, the problem of course is, if you keep the Sabbath and Holy Days, you should also get circumcised, wear tassels, keep the dietary laws and so on. You cannot just pick and choose which commandments apply.
We know from Acts 15 that circumcision certainly does not apply. So how can the apostles say that? It is an eternal covenant? Because, when the high priest changes, so does by necessity the law, as it is stated in Hebrews.

You guys make a big deal out of keeping the Sabbath. But which is worse, not keeping the sabbath or dishonoring your parents? One has consequences for other people the other does not.
I know you guys like to argue that keeping the Sabbath shows love toward God, but really, do you expect us to believe the Church has been lost on this subject for 2000 years, and that Jesus, Peter, Paul and John all forgot to mention that we MUST keep the Sabbath, since you guys make it a salvation issue. (Or proof of salvation, whichever way you go).
The apostles would have mentioned something of this importance many many times, yet we have no mention of it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[Studyman]

The reason people "scorn" you is because Jesus never told us to keep the Sabbath, nor did Paul or Peter. They did not mention any other Holy Days either, therefore the "just like Jesus said" is more like "Just like Jesus never mentioned these Holy Days".
Only in recent times has there been a resurgence of Sabbath keeping and torah observance, the problem of course is, if you keep the Sabbath and Holy Days, you should also get circumcised, wear tassels, keep the dietary laws and so on. You cannot just pick and choose which commandments apply.
We know from Acts 15 that circumcision certainly does not apply. So how can the apostles say that? It is an eternal covenant? Because, when the high priest changes, so does by necessity the law, as it is stated in Hebrews.

You guys make a big deal out of keeping the Sabbath. But which is worse, not keeping the sabbath or dishonoring your parents? One has consequences for other people the other does not.
I know you guys like to argue that keeping the Sabbath shows love toward God, but really, do you expect us to believe the Church has been lost on this subject for 2000 years, and that Jesus, Peter, Paul and John all forgot to mention that we MUST keep the Sabbath, since you guys make it a salvation issue. (Or proof of salvation, whichever way you go).
The apostles would have mentioned something of this importance many many times, yet we have no mention of it.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Old Testament Commandment) and from fornication,(Old Testament Commandment) and from things strangled,(Old Testament Food laws) and from blood.(Old Testament Food laws)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Where is the teaching you all hold as sacred about the 2 greatest Commandments? The Apostles mentioned a couple of Food laws you reject, as well and a couple of moral laws you reject. (I'm speaking to the Mainstream Church tradition of creating images of God/Jesus in the likeness of some men's hair shampoo model)


Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

So The Apostles sent the New Converts to learn from Moses just like Jesus instructed His Apostles to do. But you preach this never happened. Or at least that they are to ignore Moses when they hear him.

Matt. 17:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

You claim Jesus didn't mention obedience to the Sabbath here, yet He didn't mention the First and greatest Commandment here either. does that erase the first Commandment.

1 Cor. 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Paul called the Old Testament "The Gospel of Christ".

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.(Old Testament scripture)

The preaching that God/Jesus never told you to honor God by keeping His Commandments, including God's Holy Sabbaths that He created for you, is an amazing statement given the actual Word's of the Bible.

Anyway, given all the warnings about "Christians" deceiving people, and also understanding there is not one example in the entire Bible where satan deceives people into obeying God, I think I will stick to the Bible and resist the teaching of a church that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions.

Remember, the Mainstream Church of Christ's time had been guilty of worshipping "in vain" since the time of Isaiah.

The Commandments have been there for you for centuries. God sent Moses, then Isaiah and Jeremiah, David wrote to you, Malachi. then John the Baptist and you have rejected them all.

Then He sent His own Son and you(By you I mean Mainstream Church, nothing personal) still refuse to accept His Father's teaching. Like Jesus said;

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, (Jesus) they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Thanks for your reply, I know you are probably not capable of understanding my post. But I write it in sincere love of the Brethren.

 

[Studyman]

As I stand, I only have one scripture to repeat. . .

Matthew 7:7 King James Version (KJV)

7. Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

So what's there to talk about. It's a done deal.

But without rebirth it makes no sense.

Rebirth means walking away from All of your Old life. That means your Mother, Father, Siblings, Greater family, For His sake. Your home, your town, your country.

Your money, your education and All that worked for you. With a brain renewed, AND Start Over. From scratch.

Try it sometime. I did. The timeline it took, I'll keep secret, ok?

"Rebirth means walking away from All of your Old life. That means your Mother, Father, Siblings, Greater family, For His sake. Your home, your town, your country.

I would add religious traditions, church doctrines we were born into, etc.

Very good DV, Anyone who is willing to "Pay the cost" of picking up their cross and following Jesus will certainly have a different perception of the Scriptures.

good post

 

[Studyman]

What works or type of works are we talking about?

We know faith produces good works. The things that Jesus talks about when separating the sheep and the goats.
Even non Christians do that. And to be honest I know non Christians who do such things more than some Christians I know.

I will probably be slated here but I would like to ask is it possible that genuine faith produces good works in is as individuals and becoming and growing into the person that God wants us to be?

A simple example may be.

A person struggle with anger or gets angry easily. They come before God and says I hate this and prays for God to help them.
As they place their faith in him to help then anger starts to decrease as it does then those around start seeing a little bit more of Jesus in them.

To me I think seeking God in faith where we lack faith is a good work and the result of God working in us is producing fruit.

So in a sense it’s not good works that I have done but it’s good works that God has done in me.

I will give a example for me.

I suffered with a severe gambling problem for a long long time. Even though I hated it with a passion.
I sought God day and night for years.
It affected me and my interaction with everyone around me (even those who had no idea what was going on)
I will not go into the details as to how God dealt with it but he did.
My interactions with people has changed and for the good.
Today I did not gamble.
Does that count as a good work or not?

Mankind is cured of all manner of addictions every day. Some claim the help of God, others don't.

I struggled with addictions in my life as well. I still do. But how can I expect anything for stopping what I knew I shouldn't be doing in the first place. It is good to repent of whatever our sin's are and to "Go and sin no more". But I fear I can deceive myself if I don't consider His Word.

Luke 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? (Like various addictions?)and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I say these things for myself.

If I pray to God and work to stop something that controls my flesh, like addictions, but I continue to "Transgress God's Commandments by my own doctrines and traditions", have I gained anything?

I could be the nicest guy on the block who never drinks, never gambles, feeds poor people, volunteer at the local soup kitchen, and I can do it all in Christ's Name. But if I "Transgress (work iniquity) the Commandments of God by my own traditions and doctrines, I am no different than the town drunk. In fact there are scriptures that say I am worse.


We both had compassion on ourselves and others because of the affect our addiction had on us and them. We want praise for it, but this is just another "Alms" that we need to perform before God and not man.

IMHO.

I am glad we were both able to overcome addiction. Please understand this reply is how I judge myself, not you.

 

[know1]

What works or type of works are we talking about?

We know faith produces good works. The things that Jesus talks about when separating the sheep and the goats.
Even non Christians do that. And to be honest I know non Christians who do such things more than some Christians I know.

I will probably be slated here but I would like to ask is it possible that genuine faith produces good works in is as individuals and becoming and growing into the person that God wants us to be?

A simple example may be.

A person struggle with anger or gets angry easily. They come before God and says I hate this and prays for God to help them.
As they place their faith in him to help then anger starts to decrease as it does then those around start seeing a little bit more of Jesus in them.

To me I think seeking God in faith where we lack faith is a good work and the result of God working in us is producing fruit.

So in a sense it’s not good works that I have done but it’s good works that God has done in me.

I will give a example for me.

I suffered with a severe gambling problem for a long long time. Even though I hated it with a passion.
I sought God day and night for years.
It affected me and my interaction with everyone around me (even those who had no idea what was going on)
I will not go into the details as to how God dealt with it but he did.
My interactions with people has changed and for the good.
Today I did not gamble.
Does that count as a good work or not?

You no doubt did something in faith for God to answer your prayer and cry for help.
The deliverance is one thing that God did in your life that you could not do yourself. And to tell other what God did for you, is not bragging on yourself, but on God.
I am happy for you sir.

 

[BillG]

Mankind is cured of all manner of addictions every day. Some claim the help of God, others don't.

I struggled with addictions in my life as well. I still do. But how can I expect anything for stopping what I knew I shouldn't be doing in the first place. It is good to repent of whatever our sin's are and to "Go and sin no more". But I fear I can deceive myself if I don't consider His Word.

Luke 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? (Like various addictions?)and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I say these things for myself.

If I pray to God and work to stop something that controls my flesh, like addictions, but I continue to "Transgress God's Commandments by my own doctrines and traditions", have I gained anything?

I could be the nicest guy on the block who never drinks, never gambles, feeds poor people, volunteer at the local soup kitchen, and I can do it all in Christ's Name. But if I "Transgress (work iniquity) the Commandments of God by my own traditions and doctrines, I am no different than the town drunk. In fact there are scriptures that say I am worse.


We both had compassion on ourselves and others because of the affect our addiction had on us and them. We want praise for it, but this is just another "Alms" that we need to perform before God and not man.

IMHO.

I am glad we were both able to overcome addiction. Please understand this reply is how I judge myself, not you.

Thank you for your response and and explaining your position and how our Father has helped you. Praise God he has.

And thank you for your last sentence, not judging me. Truly refreshing and loving.

My issue was as a result of very traumatic upbringing. Being thrown out by my mother and then taken in by a Christian family and then spending many years being sexually abused by my foster dad.
I never knew my real father.

I had so much pain and hurt and given my experiences this useless piece of crap was just that.
Rejected, unlovable and dirty.

Thats How I felt God felt about me.
Mother says conform, sexual abuser says conform.

What released me was when I came to realise whom I am in Jesus. He loves me as I am, where I am at. He doesn’t condemn me.

He loves me enough where I am at and loves me enough to take me beyond that.
I had a picture in my head when someone prayed for me. They asked what that picture was.

I was sat in a rubbish bin, and Jesus was overlooking the bin with his hand stretched out but I could not reach his hand and was crying.

They said “Jesus wants to come and sit in this bin, talk with you, put his arm around you, let you cry then he wants to walk out of this bin with you”

I walked out of this bin with him.

That was my experience.

God bless you

 

[mailmandan]

"Because of YOU!!!"

Yes, "Lord, Lord" didn't YOU (not didn't WE prophesy in your name, cast out devils and do many wonderful works - Matthew 7:22) live a sinless, perfect life, die for my sins, were buried and rise again on the third day to provide for me eternal life.

I trust in YOU alone as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. Praise the Lord!

 

[FrankLee]

I don't have to "prove" anything. I was blind but now I can see and had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[crossnote]

So in a sense it’s not good works that I have done but it’s good works that God has done in me.

Now that's a novel idea...

for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
(Php 2:13)

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
(Gal 2:20)

 

[p_rehbein]

Potato .... Potahto .... it's all taters............ 'n' dey is all masheds up

No sir, it most definitely is not a bragging about one's self, thread.
If it about giving an example of-
Please read my open post. It should give you a better understanding of what this thread is about. And if you don't understand it after that, then look for each of my replies to other's posts, and that should do the trick. Otherwise, I'm just repeating myself.

 

[MattforJesus]

Charity,love in action,is greater than faith.

Faith works though love.

Paul said he can have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

Faith alone,not saved by works,when we confess Christ.

Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit.

Only a person led of the Spirit is saved.

A Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and show the ways of the Spirit,and only goes by their needs,and not their wants,and helps people with their needs.

Paul said that charity does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,and is not selfish,and not arrogant.

Charity is greater than faith.

Lack in love,lack in faith.

Lack in charity,Paul says he is nothing,and they have erred from the faith.James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them.

Faith means nothing without love.

If a person lacks dong works by the Spirit,then they are not being led of the Spirit,and then they lack love,which then they lack faith,so how can grace be applied.

And it is not a part time deal,but we must do the works of the Spirit at all times.

God said we should not say,I will do this,or that,but the Lord willing is what we should do.

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

A saint can lack allowing the Spirit to lead them,and do the works of the Spirit,as these 2 Churches which Jesus told them to repent,which Paul,James,and John,warned us about having charity,for if not then our faith means nothing,which the Bible says Abraham was justified by works.

The works we do are works of the Spirit that have to do with abstaining from fleshy pleasures that war against the soul,and lay aside every weight of sin that so easily besets us,love God,and love people,and do no harm to them,and help the poor and needy,and pure religion is this,to visit the fatherless,and widows in their affliction.

There is no such thing as sinless perfection,because we are tempted,and after saved still have a choice between good and evil,and can sin if we desire to sin,which there is only sinless perfection when the person has no choice to do evil,which is when they are with Jesus.

But there is no excuse,for we sin because we want to sin,not because we cannot abstain from sin,for even the world can abstain from sin,and they choose what sins they like,and which ones they do not like.

Since we still have a choice after we are saved between good and evil,then we have to choose the good before the Spirit will lead us,for if we were always led of the Spirit then we would never have the choice to sin,but since we have a choice then we must take the responsibility to do what is right,for the Spirit will not twist our arm to live for God.

The only reason that some people get on the case of those that believe OSAS,and faith alone,is because they believe that they do not try to abstain from sin,but do it intentionally,and then say they cannot abstain from sin.They believe they hold unto sin and think they are alright.

But the Bible says God is not mocked,for what ever a person sows that shall they reap,to the flesh,corruption,but to the Spirit,eternal life,and tells them to not be deceived,and they will be rewarded for well doing,if they do not faint.

Do not depart from the living God,by the deceitfulness of sin.

Awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul says that to their shame.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal,that those that name the name of Christ must depart from iniquity.

They believe they live in sin on a daily basis,and put no effort forth to beat sin,or tone it down,but will not tone it down all the way.

And they are not saying sinless perfection,but saying,put forth an effort to abstain from sin,instead of saying they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and believe God is blessing them with their wants.

They are not trying to be law keepers,but by the Spirit that is how we are supposed to act to keep the morals laws,laws of love,which Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good.

The Bible says a Spirit led law is not under the law,because the person is abstaining from sin,and caring about the poor,and having the right perspective of charity,love in action,so they are not breaking the law,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

If a person is holding unto sin,and neglecting the poor and needy,then they are not allowing the Spirit to lead them,lacking in works of the Spirit,then they are lacking in love,then they are lacking in faith,and then grace cannot be applied.

Charity is love in action,that is why our works of love have to do with our salvation,for to lack those works then faith does not apply in your life.

And that is because charity,love in action,is greater than faith.

We have to have love in action,works of love,or there is no faith,and works of love is greater than faith.

That is why we have to have works to be saved,for to not have them,or lack works,then you do not have the right perspective of love,then your faith would lack.

Charity is greater then faith,and it is not faith alone,but it is love alone,and everything stems from love,not from faith.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

But are the works resulting from a sincere heart or are they done for an occasion to boast?

I'm glad that either way,JESUS Is preached.

 

[mcubed]

The only work I can think of is in Feb.of 1991 I SAID Lord SAVE ME. Been saved ever since. Have done some good works, some bad too either way... SAVED!!!!!!!!!! "said" is a verb, action .... work.... BUT REALLY HE DID IT ALL!!

 

[OneFaith]

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Some people profess to have faith, but have not good works to back that said faith up, and some do.
What good works have you done that shows you have this God kind of faith?
What good work(s) have you done that proves you are a child of God?
The bible says that signs will follow them that believe, and that there will be tares AMONG the wheat, IN the church, so what specific signs followed you that says, you are the wheat and not the tare?

I've been homeless, I’ve been without knowing where my next meal is coming from, I've had people try to kill me, but I trusted God would see me through, and He did. It’s your faith that causes action- you just do it not knowing how it will be ok and it happens.

My child and I once roller bladed through town on our way to the park to play tennis and go swimming. We past by an old lady with a walker who was literally walking one inch at a time. After a long time at the park, we past her again, and she had only gotten two blocks further in all that time. So we kept roller blading, and kept an eye on her to follow her home.

The next day we took our own grocery money to buy her foods that’s she could eat toothless- like peanut butter and crackers (crackers get soggy). We put all the groceries on her porch, rang the bell, and hid. When she opened the door she looked around confused, but finally looked down and smiled. Then she took the groceries in. A few days later a lady from church hired me on a short term basis to take care of her elderly mom. The money more than covered the missing grocery money. That’s faith in action.

 

[Jackson123]

Don't some unbelievers do the same?
How does helping the poor qualify as a good work of faith?
How does that prove you are born again and have true faith, when the some unbelievers do the same?

Jesus Himself say that in the last judgement the group that help the needy go to heaven, and in other occasion Jesus say only born again go to heaven, to me it mean that loving the needy a sign of born again.

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] works is to say faithfulness, and it is meant just as in a marriage: we may believe in our marriage, but are we faithful to it!?
As for what are the works of faithfulness [again for me anyway]: we must deny our own will, and repent and own our sins, and have a penitent heart, and submit to and rely upon the Word of God; but only few are willing to do such things, because the majority prefer a Jesus that requires nothing of them, and that speaks to them smooth things; soft things, easy things, flattering things; things that are not rough, things that do not disrupt or obstruct their comfort.

 

[BillG]

I've been homeless, I’ve been without knowing where my next meal is coming from, I've had people try to kill me, but I trusted God would see me through, and He did. It’s your faith that causes action- you just do it not knowing how it will be ok and it happens.

My child and I once roller bladed through town on our way to the park to play tennis and go swimming. We past by an old lady with a walker who was literally walking one inch at a time. After a long time at the park, we past her again, and she had only gotten two blocks further in all that time. So we kept roller blading, and kept an eye on her to follow her home.

The next day we took our own grocery money to buy her foods that’s she could eat toothless- like peanut butter and crackers (crackers get soggy). We put all the groceries on her porch, rang the bell, and hid. When she opened the door she looked around confused, but finally looked down and smiled. Then she took the groceries in. A few days later a lady from church hired me on a short term basis to take care of her elderly mom. The money more than covered the missing grocery money. That’s faith in action.

You just bought a joy to my heart.

God bless you his precious daughter.