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(I’m going to get knocked down for anything I say, not by you, but I’m going to say it anyways- let the tomatoes fly)...
At my church the front pew is always empty for those who decide to “Come forward as we stand and sing.” People either come sit on the front pew during this time if they are a prodigal son and want to return to the church, or are struggling to quit a sin and request the prayers of the church, or they decided to give their life to Christ.
If someone comes forward, the minister sits next to them and talks to them while people are singing. Then when everyone is done singing and sits down, he addresses the congregation about the matter, and a prayer is given. If it is baptism, the congregation sings another song while they go get dressed in baptismal clothes, and meets the minister in the baptismal tub- which is right behind where he preaches. A couple men remove the potium so that the congregation can see the person get baptized, and someone assists the person by showing them where the baptismal clothes are, and directs them how to get into the tub.
Then the person says basically one word, when asked, no long speach... “(States their name) do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God?” “Yes” (or “Yes I do”) “Bless you for that confession. I now baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit for the remission of your sins.”
Then he dunks them completely under the water as they hold their nose. Then when raised up, he introduces them to the congregation as our new brother/sister in Christ. Then when we are dismissed, and they come back out, several people go up to hug them and welcome them to the family of God.
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No you're not going to get attacked. See the preacher there at your sect had talked to the person, determined their needs. That's the difference which didn't happen in the op scenario.
But you just had to attack, call the church false and not listen to facts and go off with false accusations.
Nothing in my op suggested a long speech. But don't let facts stop you, right? Part of the problem of the scenario was that someone was presented without knowing anything or enquiring with her as you allege happens in your church.
See how they asked people at your church questions and they answer? Didn't happen in the op. Very poorly handled and no one knew whether she was lost, saved. Nothing. Yet you just had to attack, belittle, call the church false without even knowing the details.
And you're worried about being attacked? Wow. Maybe you should learn to listen and know details before you go ballistic.
Wow... that does not seem very christian-like. Would seem there is some history here, but I have to say given my independant observation of this particular thread (independant of any history between the posters) it would appear IMHO that there were more short, inconsiderate, unnecessarily rude, accusations and offensive remarks made toward 'OneFaith' that were either avoidable, uncalled for or unnecessary. Definitely un-christian-like...
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Can't say i see what you're saying either. I see him clearly quote another user and respond, specifically, to what that member asked. I saw someone explain how his church does things. You say 'don't let facts stop you' as you fabricate this 'offense'. It seems you should read your own post in that regard. "Not Christian behavior at all", you say. Yet when he denies your made up accusations you call him a liar. /shakes head and walks away wondering how some people survive on their own
You, "preacher4truth", are a real piece of work. I don't think I've ever run across a more accusatory, condemning, hypocritical, judgmental, self-righteous, finger-pointing, dismissive "Christian" before. Other hard-core Calvinists have come close, but congrats, you win.
You're the opposite of your name.
It's interesting to me that people often take on characteristics of the way they understand God to be. The Calvinist understanding is that God is "sovereign" to the extent He decides who will be saved and who won't, and that people are mere pawns on God's game board, that He moves them according to His cold pre-determined whims, that life and people's relationship with God is nothing but a giant pre-scripted play. People who hold to a Calvinist understanding of God frequently adopt that same mindset and behavior in relating to others.
The edicts you issue and the judgments you proclaim are false.
I pity you.
You're the opposite of your name.
It's interesting to me that people often take on characteristics of the way they understand God to be. The Calvinist understanding is that God is "sovereign" to the extent He decides who will be saved and who won't, and that people are mere pawns on God's game board, that He moves them according to His cold pre-determined whims, that life and people's relationship with God is nothing but a giant pre-scripted play. People who hold to a Calvinist understanding of God frequently adopt that same mindset and behavior in relating to others.
The edicts you issue and the judgments you proclaim are false.
I pity you.
Right. A church makes rules of membership by statement of faith as one criteria. When one is presented as coming to do so then they should know what it means and be prepared to do just that to be allowed to act as a good standing member. They should do this prior to being voted in as this is the criteria for joining. Not afterwards in a failure to provide any valid statement.
Hey that's a good question. Everyone with an opinion here should answer.
I didn't have an opinion but I'll answer. Let's see what stones get thrown my way.
Did I make a statement when I was physically immersion in water and baptized?
No as an infant I couldn't talk.
Now in regards to a declaration or statement given when I became spiritually baptized the only statement given by me was a personal one and I gave it to God alone I didn't have to go in front of a crowd and prove nothing to them.
It was only between me and God.
I didn't have an opinion but I'll answer. Let's see what stones get thrown my way.
Did I make a statement when I was physically immersion in water and baptized?
No as an infant I couldn't talk.
Now in regards to a declaration or statement given when I became spiritually baptized the only statement given by me was a personal one and I gave it to God alone I didn't have to go in front of a crowd and prove nothing to them.
It was only between me and God.
