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Why should they be baptized for believing the same thing Satan believes? :confused:
Yet today a good examination of a persons faith and conversion doesn't happen. Believism is all the rage. Then these are declared on their way to heaven. No matter what.
 

BillG

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We are to be ready at all times to give an answer :) I admit it is a bit intimidating to give testimony as a new believer, but you have to start somewhere to become comfortable talking about what you believe and why, and doing so can give great comfort and inspiration to others in a way that edifies and helps them hold all the stronger to their own testimony and reasons for belief. It is one of the reasons why we are exhorted not to forsake fellowship.
I don’t disagree with that. We are called to be ready to give an answer at all times.
I love hearing testimony when people are baptised and I praise God, I also love hearing testimony of people who have not been baptised.

What they are conveying is what Jesus has done for them.

That doesn’t necessarily relate to being ready at all times to give an answer to questions that will be asked to a believer by a non believer.
 
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i think its a lot easier to witness to people knowing that the person getting saved doesn't depend on me giving a great testimony or being a great speaker, but it depends on GOD!

if u think its all u, thats when u get extra nervous because u think this person's soul is in ur hands.
 
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IMHO the person should and could have been taken aside and handled tenderly. The matter of the condition of ones soul is of utmost importance, there was no need to rush to accept the persons, um, "statement of faith."
 

BillG

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When I witnessed the scenario in the OP it became glaringly apparent why it has been said that the church contains a huge number of false converts. Not that I hadn't believed this before, it just became more real.
I don’t think the issue is false converts as such.
The issue is why would someone profess something they don’t believe in.

If we take the extreme example of ISIS, convert to our beliefs and you won’t die. In order not to have your head chopped off you convert.

We need to reverse that in a sense.

Yes we preach the gospel of Jesus.
Forgiveness of sins, reconciliation to the Father.
Loving them where they are at. Just like Jesus did.
 

Locutus

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Maybe she just believed in Father Christmas.



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:cool:
 

Amberlight

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Why should they be baptized for believing the same thing Satan believes? :confused:
Why ?

God tells us to do so.

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

Not to mention...

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
 

Magenta

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I don’t disagree with that. We are called to be ready to give an answer at all times.
I love hearing testimony when people are baptised and I praise God, I also love hearing testimony of people who have not been baptised.

What they are conveying is what Jesus has done for them.

That doesn’t necessarily relate to being ready at all times to give an answer to questions that will be asked to a believer by a non believer.
At all times being ready to give an answer would mean regardless of who asks :)
 
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I don’t think the issue is false converts as such.
The issue is why would someone profess something they don’t believe in.
Really? Not sure how you're arriving at you don't think the issue is false converts bro when it is glaringly obvious that it is.

Many people join churches in this manner, and believe they became a Christian when they did so.

Sorry, but I don't see your point as a valid argument. :(
 
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"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Nice conflation of texts and differing topics. Your argument, whatever it is, doesn't fly. It's senseless honestly.

Who are the "them" that are to be baptized in the text?
 

Magenta

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I did not see baptism included anywhere in the scenario of the OP :confused:
 
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Now, we have at least two that get it. In fact, I totally get it and I've gotten it for some years now. Praise God the Lord! :)
 

TruthTalk

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(...if anything)

A lady goes forward to join the church (the pastor invited people to join). The pastor shakes her hand, and then announces she is coming to join the church by statement of faith.

So the church immediately votes to receive her by her statement of faith. Unanimous reception (for those who voted).

Then, the pastor, after she is voted in as a member, asks her what her statement of faith is.

She says "I just want to be a part of the church."
Um. OK.
Every local body will have their own specifics on how they organize the church government and by laws. However the church congregation does not want a bunch of, "PHart", like people, running around spreading a false gospel among the members , therefore they will ask a new member for a,
"Statement of Faith" either written or verbal.

Quote: Then, the pastor, after she is voted in as a member, asks her what her statement of faith is.

She says "I just want to be a part of the church."

This answer is a correct answer because (most), all believer's "want to be a part of a church." Some people have a difficult time expressing their faith and just finding the right thing to say. In that case I would welcome her with open arms and the right hand of fellowship.

God bless
 
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BillG

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I did not see baptism included anywhere in the scenario of the OP :confused:
it wasn’t.

Sorry but that was my fault.

I was just trying to relay my thoughts about having to give a testimony of faith and what it is you believe.
Thats why I talked about baptism and how there is a pressure to give a big statement.

Sorry that I have detracted from that.

Will step down
 
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it wasn’t.

Sorry but that was my fault.

I was just trying to relay my thoughts about having to give a testimony of faith and what it is you believe.
Thats why I talked about baptism and how there is a pressure to give a big statement.

Sorry that I have detracted from that.

Will step down
Have a afternoon draft bro ;) hahhah
 
Dec 12, 2013
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Its almost night night time here.

God bless you friend and God bless all of you
Yeah, I figured that out after I realized it is 330 pm here in Missouri....haha oh well the intent was good.......peace brother and back at ya mate
 

1ofthem

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I just don't see how we can judge people by just their words...Statement of faith...whatever it's called.

There's some people who have a hard time putting their thoughts into words especially in a public setting. That persons heart may truly be upon the Lord but just can't express what they want into the right words.

Then again there's some folks who have a way with words...they could give you a great swelling testimony, yet their heart be far from it....You know the fakers and the wolves.

So in my opinion if a church is voting people in and accepting or rejecting them solely on their speech then they could be found guilty in God's eyes of rejecting the lambs and accepting the wolves...Or plucking up the wheat and letting the tares grow....Just my opinion on it, anyhow.
 

BillG

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Yeah, I figured that out after I realized it is 330 pm here in Missouri....haha oh well the intent was good.......peace brother and back at ya mate
I know it was and thank you.