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ok thanks. You just proved what I said.
now are we going to get to the symbology of the temple?
why all the rooms?
Why priests? (we are ALL said to be kings and priests)
Why the holy garments just for the priests? We all will be given robes By Christ, and we all will be holy, washed in the blood. so why just them?
Why give offerings to the Lord? Is he going to need us to do this in heaven?
Why a common place for the people. what people? are their going to be outsiders in heaven not allowed to approach the lord, where only the priests can approach him? who do they represent symbolically.
Why minister to the people. who needs ministered to? we are ALL SAVED, We have ALL been made kings and priests. We have ALL been made holy acceptable to God.. so what does this symbolize?
now are we going to get to the symbology of the temple?
why all the rooms?
Why priests? (we are ALL said to be kings and priests)
Why the holy garments just for the priests? We all will be given robes By Christ, and we all will be holy, washed in the blood. so why just them?
Why give offerings to the Lord? Is he going to need us to do this in heaven?
Why a common place for the people. what people? are their going to be outsiders in heaven not allowed to approach the lord, where only the priests can approach him? who do they represent symbolically.
Why minister to the people. who needs ministered to? we are ALL SAVED, We have ALL been made kings and priests. We have ALL been made holy acceptable to God.. so what does this symbolize?
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Zion is in Heaven not Earth.
Hebrews 12
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, [SUP]23 [/SUP]to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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the church was a mystery, even up to the time Christ died. They also did not see the suffering servant as the messiah, it was Gods plan to hide this from them and everyone else.
the OT Hebrews did not see any of those things. God purposely hid it from them.. lets get off the doctrines of a church and the thinking of men, and get on to reality of Gods word.
the OT Hebrews did not see any of those things. God purposely hid it from them.. lets get off the doctrines of a church and the thinking of men, and get on to reality of Gods word.
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The words that are translated “sanctuary” (kodesh) and “profane place” (chol) simply mean “holy, consecrated, hallowed” and the opposite which means “profane, common, unholy.” The term profane does not mean defiled, it simply means something or someplace that is for common use as opposed to something or someplace that is consecrated for holy use.
And they shall teach my people [the difference] between the holy (kodesh) and profane (chol), and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. Ezekiel 44:23
This verse uses the same Hebrew words but are translated “sanctuary” and “profane place” in Ezekiel. It doesn’t mean something or someplace that is defiled, but simply that it is not consecrated or set apart for holy use but is rather for common use, such as land.
In the days when the land was being divided and the Lord gave instructions how the Levitical cities were to be laid out, the open ground around the city walls was to belong to the city for the grazing of cattle and was never to be sold. This was “profane” land only in the sense that it was intended for common use … to graze cattle and other animals, as opposed to the area within the city walls which was consecrated for the use of the priests.
This common land that surrounded a Levitical city was called in Scripture migrash, translated "suburbs."
Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give [also] unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them. And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the suburbs of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts. And the suburbs of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, [shall reach] from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about. And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city [shall be] in the midst: this shall be to them the suburbs of the cities. Numbers 35:2-5
Jerusalem too had an area outside the city walls that was common or unconsecrated land and in another passage from Ezekiel where the walls of the city are being measured it also gives the measurement of the area of land outside the city walls that was to be used for this common purpose.
And the five thousand, that are left in the breadth over against the five and twenty thousand, shall be a profane [place] for the city, for dwelling, and for suburbs: and the city shall be in the midst thereof. Ezekiel 48:15
Notice that the verse says that the city “shall be in the midst thereof,” in the midst of the common land. And that these “suburbs” would be for a “dwelling” for the citizens of the city. (During New Testament times the number of pilgrims to the city for the three annual feasts overwhelmed the city and there was simply not enough room within the city walls to house the entire festal population, so the common ground, which was designated by God for a dwelling for the people, became a virtual tent city that covered the valleys and slopes of the surrounding hills so that those who dwelt outside the city walls were still considered to be "in Jerusalem" because they were within the city's Levitical boundaries.)
The eschatological fulfillment of this is that the New Jerusalem is not located “out there” beyond some star or in another galaxy. It is here, in the midst of the earth, but separated from the common or unconsecrated land around it, common land that belongs to the city and is for the use of the citizens of the city, and for a dwelling for the citizens of the city, but is separated from the city by the walls that enclose the sacred ground.
We are such creatures of time and space that sometimes it isn’t easy to get our heads around the idea of God and His Heaven existing above and beyond the limitations of time and space. We are so accustomed to thinking of God “up there” in heaven and yet we know that in truth, God is omni-present, that is, He is everywhere present at the same time, as close to us as our own breath. It isn’t distance that separates man from God, but state of existence.
In the same way it isn’t distance that separates the Celestial City from the common ground of the earth, it is the difference in the state or realm or dimension in which each exists. So just as with the Old Jerusalem which sat “in the midst of” the common ground that lay round about the walls of the city and yet was separated from it by those walls, so too the New Jerusalem sits “in the midst” of the earth and yet is separated from it by the walls of the city.
And this “common ground” is for the use of the citizens of the city, places to graze our cattle (earn our living), and also for “dwelling places” even while we are citizens of the city and are free to enter the gates of the city and walk it’s golden streets and even ascend up to the inner courts and come into the very presence of the Father and Son seated on the throne of Heaven.
Now knowing what, or rather who, is the chief cornerstone of those walls, and knowing what, or rather who, those walls are, and what, or rather who, the gates into the city are, you can extrapolate from there to see that God’s handiwork is not far from us, but only one small step away in the spirit … and you can see as well “through whom” we each must pass to enter in …
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
And they shall teach my people [the difference] between the holy (kodesh) and profane (chol), and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. Ezekiel 44:23
This verse uses the same Hebrew words but are translated “sanctuary” and “profane place” in Ezekiel. It doesn’t mean something or someplace that is defiled, but simply that it is not consecrated or set apart for holy use but is rather for common use, such as land.
In the days when the land was being divided and the Lord gave instructions how the Levitical cities were to be laid out, the open ground around the city walls was to belong to the city for the grazing of cattle and was never to be sold. This was “profane” land only in the sense that it was intended for common use … to graze cattle and other animals, as opposed to the area within the city walls which was consecrated for the use of the priests.
This common land that surrounded a Levitical city was called in Scripture migrash, translated "suburbs."
Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give [also] unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them. And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the suburbs of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts. And the suburbs of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, [shall reach] from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about. And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city [shall be] in the midst: this shall be to them the suburbs of the cities. Numbers 35:2-5
Jerusalem too had an area outside the city walls that was common or unconsecrated land and in another passage from Ezekiel where the walls of the city are being measured it also gives the measurement of the area of land outside the city walls that was to be used for this common purpose.
And the five thousand, that are left in the breadth over against the five and twenty thousand, shall be a profane [place] for the city, for dwelling, and for suburbs: and the city shall be in the midst thereof. Ezekiel 48:15
Notice that the verse says that the city “shall be in the midst thereof,” in the midst of the common land. And that these “suburbs” would be for a “dwelling” for the citizens of the city. (During New Testament times the number of pilgrims to the city for the three annual feasts overwhelmed the city and there was simply not enough room within the city walls to house the entire festal population, so the common ground, which was designated by God for a dwelling for the people, became a virtual tent city that covered the valleys and slopes of the surrounding hills so that those who dwelt outside the city walls were still considered to be "in Jerusalem" because they were within the city's Levitical boundaries.)
The eschatological fulfillment of this is that the New Jerusalem is not located “out there” beyond some star or in another galaxy. It is here, in the midst of the earth, but separated from the common or unconsecrated land around it, common land that belongs to the city and is for the use of the citizens of the city, and for a dwelling for the citizens of the city, but is separated from the city by the walls that enclose the sacred ground.
We are such creatures of time and space that sometimes it isn’t easy to get our heads around the idea of God and His Heaven existing above and beyond the limitations of time and space. We are so accustomed to thinking of God “up there” in heaven and yet we know that in truth, God is omni-present, that is, He is everywhere present at the same time, as close to us as our own breath. It isn’t distance that separates man from God, but state of existence.
In the same way it isn’t distance that separates the Celestial City from the common ground of the earth, it is the difference in the state or realm or dimension in which each exists. So just as with the Old Jerusalem which sat “in the midst of” the common ground that lay round about the walls of the city and yet was separated from it by those walls, so too the New Jerusalem sits “in the midst” of the earth and yet is separated from it by the walls of the city.
And this “common ground” is for the use of the citizens of the city, places to graze our cattle (earn our living), and also for “dwelling places” even while we are citizens of the city and are free to enter the gates of the city and walk it’s golden streets and even ascend up to the inner courts and come into the very presence of the Father and Son seated on the throne of Heaven.
Now knowing what, or rather who, is the chief cornerstone of those walls, and knowing what, or rather who, those walls are, and what, or rather who, the gates into the city are, you can extrapolate from there to see that God’s handiwork is not far from us, but only one small step away in the spirit … and you can see as well “through whom” we each must pass to enter in …
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Revelation 21
. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Morning Chris
hope you had a blessed night and a wonderful day
. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Morning Chris
hope you had a blessed night and a wonderful day
Good morning Ariel. Thank you for that blessing and may you likewise be blessed in your walk with God.
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Deut 30:11-14 [SUP]11 [/SUP]“For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Itis not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.
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Romans 8:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Ya i daydream alotso does my cat
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Ya i daydream alot
so does my cat
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We've already covered this zone. As of 2010, the world Jewish population was estimated at 13.4 million with about half living in Israel and their numbers are rapidly declining over time even as the world population increases.
There aren't a lot of Jews to start with and their numbers are in steep decline.
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf
There aren't a lot of Jews to start with and their numbers are in steep decline.
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf
God bless you for seeing the beauty and love, and truth and wisdom revealed to man, I pray you never loose sight of that. But I also pray that your sight be opened to see beyond that - to see the world which has rejected God's beauty and love, and truth and wisdom, and is rapidly sinning itself to it's demise. The world economy sits as a house of cards, ready to collapse and take it's governments with it. Sin and pornography saturate the world, as people seek ever deeper means of self gratification. satan and his minions run rampant with humanity, convincing the world what insane thing it should do next, all of it leading to the apostacy of man's wholesale abandonment of God.
Christ rules in us. We can bring His rule into this world, but the world itself is not under Christ's rule.
Unless you want to claim all the above is the result of it.
It's not physical constraint, for us at least. satan and his horde will be bound and constrained, and without that influence we will be free to experience without hinder the beauty and love, and truth and wisdom revealed to man.
satan is not their god, and the minions are free to act independently, but they all conspire and act together to seperate man from God in any way they can.
Christ rules in us. We can bring His rule into this world, but the world itself is not under Christ's rule.
Unless you want to claim all the above is the result of it.
It's not physical constraint, for us at least. satan and his horde will be bound and constrained, and without that influence we will be free to experience without hinder the beauty and love, and truth and wisdom revealed to man.
satan is not their god, and the minions are free to act independently, but they all conspire and act together to seperate man from God in any way they can.
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Then you believe Satan and his demons are physical beings that can be bound with physical chains? And that once physically bound Satan will no longer be able to influence us? But my understanding is that Satan's influence is spiritual, not physical. I mean Satan doesn't exactly take hold of our hands and feet and physically make us sin.
My understanding is that it will not be the binding of Satan that frees us from sin and corruption, but the resurrection/rapture when our bodies are changed from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible, from sinful, mortal flesh, to purified, immortal flesh. That's a work of Christ dwelling in us which will be accomplished at his second coming and the end of the world, not the result of the binding of Satan.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
My understanding is that it will not be the binding of Satan that frees us from sin and corruption, but the resurrection/rapture when our bodies are changed from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible, from sinful, mortal flesh, to purified, immortal flesh. That's a work of Christ dwelling in us which will be accomplished at his second coming and the end of the world, not the result of the binding of Satan.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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So in a nutshell would you say the heavenly temple is presently sitting on the temple mount? And that we (believer’s in today’s world) because we are still in our corruptible bodies can not presently see or enter it yet? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? Just trying to get a handle on what you believe so a simple yes or no to these questions would be appreciated. Thanks
