WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???

[eternally-gratefull]

I find it amazing beyond belief that people think I am evil because I do not think dan 9 concerns jesus as complete context. When it is I who think the millennium is ALL ABOUT JESUS,

it is NOT about Israel

It is NOT about Gentiles

It is NOT about anything other than Jesus, restoring peace to the world. Israel and gentiles living in harmony, Hate and stuff like we see here destroyed. God ruling his earth.

people want to make it about Isreal. when it is not about them. and what do we get? Hate, just like there has been since isreal was formed. It is all of satan. and we as the church who is supposed to represent God who allows this stuff to go on.. well I think we need to look inside and see the truth of what is causing it..

if the millennium does not happen. it will not affect me one bit. I will still be in heaven drinking with my amil friends (well except one).. if it does happen. people are going to be saddened by all the hate and discontent ion they have caused. Some of them will not even admit they were wrong, and say it is not happening..

 

[Abiding]

To say its not about Jesus.....amazing!!!!
Thats where the rubber meets the road.


Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To say its not about Jesus.....amazing!!!!
Thats where the rubber meets the road.


Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy

yep and romans 9 is all about calvanism.

and daniel 2 and seven is not about gentile kingdoms but jesus


thanks bro.. What happened to agree to disagree?? I guess they got you into it now also.

 

[zone]

how obvious it should be.
but....ppl apparently never believed.

either that or are ashamed of the gospel.
either way, it comes out the same.

 

[zone]

Your the one teaching heresy, Your the one who has made this issue a salvic one

Isaiah 42:20
You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen."


John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me


Daniel 9
4Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate


Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.


Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.




“What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation… If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.”

By John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Isaiah 42:20
You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen."


John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me


Daniel 9
4Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate


Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.


Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.




“What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation… If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.”

By John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism

I believe in salvation by the grace of God alone, through faith in Christ and his work alone. if you think I am going to hell because I believe this. then you have more issues than men can work with, you will need help from God.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

<snip>

Jesus arrives 1290 days before His crucifiction.

One question: From birth to crucifixion? How old was Jesus when he was crucified? I am just trying to figure this time thing out for myself. thanks. . .

1335 days after His baptism comes Pentecost

How old was he when he was baptized? Again, I am just trying to figure this time thing out for myself. thanks. . .

 

[zone]

One question: From birth to crucifixion? How old was Jesus when he was crucified? I am just trying to figure this time thing out for myself. thanks. . .

How old was he when he was baptized? Again, I am just trying to figure this time thing out for myself. thanks. . .

well, i'll take you at your word peaceful, that you really are open to exiting futurism - since you've said previously you hold to hyper-dispensationalism. if not, well i guess you'll say soon enough.

and no, i didn't say from birth to crucifiction.

if the timeline i proposed doesn't work for you, try this:

The 70 Weeks Prophecy and the 1335 DAYS

As I mentioned in an earlier post the 1335 days of Daniel tie the ministries of Jesus and the Apostles together. Daniel 12:12 mentions the mysterious period of 1335 days, that those who wait until the days are concluded will be blessed! I believe the key to understanding all these mysterious periods is fitting them into the Jewish Holy Day Festivals mentioned in Leviticus 23. A clue to determining the meaning of this particular period of the 1335 days is in the fact that he who waits until it is over is blessed. I don’t believe mankind could have ever been more blessed than on Pentecost Day 31 CE when the Holy Spirit fell down upon the disciples of Jesus, and God began making his abode with men (Acts 2:1-4). If this understanding is correct, then the end of this period would be Pentecost, 31 CE, and all we need to do is count back 1335 days to test the theory. If the 1335 days begin on a significant day having to do with the Jewish annual festivals, and the beginning of the period defines the end or Pentecost Day, then there is no reason to say this isn’t by design. Does anyone who trusts the Scriptures are inspired by God believe there are any coincidences in his word?

If we count 1335 days back from Pentecost 31 CE, we would arrive at the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month, 27 CE. This was the very day that Jesus was in Nazareth reading from the Scriptures in the local synagogue. He began to say “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me…” and announced that this Scripture from Isaiah was fulfilled on that very day. Below is a graph of how this would appear.....

The 70 Weeks Prophecy and the 1335 DAYS | Smoodock's Blog < click

if that doesn't satisfy you (or anyone else), go back to UNfulfilled...NOT Finished.

as i said previously,

i don't care how ppl work the numbers or dates or decrees within that 70th week in Daniel.

it was about CHRIST AND CHRIST alone, and it is ALL fulfilled.
zone

 

[zone]

I believe in salvation by the grace of God alone, through faith in Christ and his work alone.

but salvation through merciful unblinding for ALL Israel in 'end-times'.

and then there's the loss of salvation via the barbarism the western 'christian' voting block has clambered for on behalf of 'Israel'....for some reason still in Covenant with God (even though the majority alive today never were. their ancestors never were. they converted to Babylonian Talmudism 700 years after the Old Covenant ended)

and then a bizarre 1,000 year salvation plan for who knows who, which you refuse to define.

so this:

I believe in salvation by the grace of God alone, through faith in Christ and his work alone.

rings hollow at the moment...since it doesn't extend beyond some fuzzy idea in your mind.

you've clearly and repeatedly and publically denied Jesus Accomplished salvation for Israel....which means you can't possibly be saved yourself.

 

[doulos]

One question: From birth to crucifixion? How old was Jesus when he was crucified? I am just trying to figure this time thing out for myself. thanks. . .

Christ was approximately 40 (give or take a few months) when crucified.
Luk 2:1-6 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria0 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

This occured in 8BC. The crucifixion occurred in 32/33AD which can be proven from Daniels 69 weeks. The 69 weeks began in 444/445BC and ended 32/33AD

 

[zone]

why do people bear false witness about the Scriptures?

why do they bear false witness about Gabriel's message directly from My Father, about Daniel's people and God's faithfulness to them?

why do people dare to bear false testimony about Jesus Christ of Nazareth, The Most Holy, and say He didn't do the very things Promised, in exactly the place and time My Father said he would?


to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy


i wonder why they don't seem to believe any of it.


Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


they repeatedly bear false witness against the very Gospel itself.


Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.


in them i wonder if i see another fulfillment:


Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

why do people take away and add to the scriptures in order to claim the Dome of the Rock, or some Politician, or Pope in our future is included in the 70th week?

how do they dare to try to undo all God Accomplished in HIS SEVENTY WEEKS?

why are they so bold to do these things?

 

[doulos]

why do people take away and add to the scriptures in order to claim the Dome of the Rock, or some Politician, or Pope in our future is included in the 70th week?

how do they dare to try to undo all God Accomplished in HIS SEVENTY WEEKS?

why are they so bold to do these things?

A better question might be why do some falsely claim all was fulfilled in 70AD?

 

[cfultz3]

A better question might be why do some falsely claim all was fulfilled in 70AD?

I am guessing 69 does not equal 70?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

but salvation through merciful unblinding for ALL Israel in 'end-times'.

where do you get this stuff?

people have been saved by grace since the begining of time. Not going to change, never..

Salvationis NOT THROUGH MERCIFUL UNBLINDING. it is through repentance.. Just because scripture says a nation will repent.. does not negate the gospel..

and then there's the loss of salvation via the barbarism the western 'christian' voting block has clambered for on behalf of 'Israel'....for some reason still in Covenant with God (even though the majority alive today never were. their ancestors never were. they converted to Babylonian Talmudism 700 years after the Old Covenant ended)

lol.. and all this was prophesied.. And I am evil because what was said to be true is really happening?? wow..

and barbarianism of the western christian voting block? Never heard of it.. Never partook of it. And never would support it.. There is your problem. you have a hate for not only jews, but people you think support them. so you hate all of us..

thats your problem. not mine.. or anyone else who believes as I do..

and then a bizarre 1,000 year salvation plan for who knows who, which you refuse to define.

salvation plan? who said this. I have never stated this. this is YOUR ISSUE, BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS.

Irepeat (as I have 1000 times now it seems) salvation is the same yesterday as it was on day one, and will be the same on the very last day before God destroys this heaven and earth and makes a new one..

But you will not listen.. you don;t care your right and everyone else is wrong.. so you can lie about anyone and anything

so this:



rings hollow at the moment...since it doesn't extend beyond some fuzzy idea in your mind.

No, it is your mind it does not ring in, because you refuse to admit you have no clue what I believe, and continue to hold me with others who do not believe like I do..

you've clearly and repeatedly and publically denied Jesus Accomplished salvation for Israel....which means you can't possibly be saved yourself.

I have NEVER STATED THIS. yet again, your lies precede you. because you are blinded to anything which would not go with what you have been TAUGHT others MUST believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why do people take away and add to the scriptures in order to claim the Dome of the Rock, or some Politician, or Pope in our future is included in the 70th week?

how do they dare to try to undo all God Accomplished in HIS SEVENTY WEEKS?

why are they so bold to do these things?

because they do not understand scripture, and want to try to make things happen so they can seem to be a part of it?

Ans until Isreal is restored, the city is no longer desolate. and ALL ISREAL is saved.. Dan 9 is not accomplished.

why do people want to replace physical isreal with spiritual isreal.. who were never promised ANY of the things promised physical Israel?

Oh wait I know.. they want to be special. And looked up to. and disregard a people who even God himself said would rebel and mess up. We have eternal life, and will be spending eternity in heaven. why would we have so much hate over a time when we will probably not even be around. and has nothing to do with our eternity? lets let God worry about the future. and let us worry about spreading the gospel. or is this to hard for some people?

 

[mardabo]

John 14



Who does the Messiah speak of here?

Who was it that tempted Jesus in the wilderness saying "worship me and I will give to you rule over all the kingdoms of the world"? The prince of this world, right now, is Satan.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who was it that tempted Jesus in the wilderness saying "worship me and I will give to you rule over all the kingdoms of the world"? The prince of this world, right now, is Satan.

I think with all the evil in this world.. this should be prety obvious..

 

[doulos]

The Crosscomes in the middle of the 70th week. THAT'S THE MARKER.

it's CLEAR. recorded FOREVER.

in the middle of the week He was cut off....not at the end of the 69th, not 7 days later.

3 and 1/2 YEARS later.

Jesus arrives 1290 days before His crucifiction.

NIV Dan12:11From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days

NIV Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Did the Jews stop offering sacrifices 1290 days before the crucifixion?

Correct me if I am in error but if what you say is correct, wouldn’t that make the crucifixion the abomination of desolation? Was Christ crucified on the wing of the temple? Sorry Zone nothing in Scripture says Christ is crucified at the end of the 1290 days but instead Scripture says the abomination is set up at the end of the 1290 days! “purleeeze”

 

[peacefulbeliever]

well, i'll take you at your word peaceful, that you really are open to exiting futurism - since you've said previously you hold to hyper-dispensationalism. if not, well i guess you'll say soon enough.

and no, i didn't say from birth to crucifiction.

if the timeline i proposed doesn't work for you, try this:

The 70 Weeks Prophecy and the 1335 DAYS

As I mentioned in an earlier post the 1335 days of Daniel tie the ministries of Jesus and the Apostles together. Daniel 12:12 mentions the mysterious period of 1335 days, that those who wait until the days are concluded will be blessed! I believe the key to understanding all these mysterious periods is fitting them into the Jewish Holy Day Festivals mentioned in Leviticus 23. A clue to determining the meaning of this particular period of the 1335 days is in the fact that he who waits until it is over is blessed. I don’t believe mankind could have ever been more blessed than on Pentecost Day 31 CE when the Holy Spirit fell down upon the disciples of Jesus, and God began making his abode with men (Acts 2:1-4). If this understanding is correct, then the end of this period would be Pentecost, 31 CE, and all we need to do is count back 1335 days to test the theory. If the 1335 days begin on a significant day having to do with the Jewish annual festivals, and the beginning of the period defines the end or Pentecost Day, then there is no reason to say this isn’t by design. Does anyone who trusts the Scriptures are inspired by God believe there are any coincidences in his word?

If we count 1335 days back from Pentecost 31 CE, we would arrive at the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month, 27 CE. This was the very day that Jesus was in Nazareth reading from the Scriptures in the local synagogue. He began to say “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me…” and announced that this Scripture from Isaiah was fulfilled on that very day. Below is a graph of how this would appear.....

The 70 Weeks Prophecy and the 1335 DAYS | Smoodock's Blog < click

if that doesn't satisfy you (or anyone else), go back to UNfulfilled...NOT Finished.

as i said previously,

i don't care how ppl work the numbers or dates or decrees within that 70th week in Daniel.

it was about CHRIST AND CHRIST alone, and it is ALL fulfilled.
zone

Isn't Daniel 12 prophecy concerning the end times?

12:1a At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. Rev. 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angesl fought against the dragon and his angels fought back.

12:1b There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.
Matt. 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--never to be equaled again.

12:1c,2 But at that time your people ---everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting contempt.

Rev. 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. . . . each person was judged according to what they had done.

Then the 1,290 days and the 1,335 days are mentioned. . .abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

So you don't relate Daniel 12 with the tribulation period?

 

[homwardbound]

False Prophecy Script
Act III
Sept 11, 2001

Cool, no arguement