where did sin come from?

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If you answer 'Lucifer' that only answers 'through whom' sin came. Besides pride is only one of sin's manifestation.

If it originated in Lucifer's heart then it is a matter of free will and what guarantee will there be that free will won't commit it anew in heaven in the future?

God is not it's author.

any ideas?
 
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diggs, it's starting!
 
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Sin.
Rebellion against God.
Lucifer was the original instigator for sin but it wasn't created - evil is an absence of God's goodness, a corruption.
God allowed sin, Lucifer birthed it and we continued in sin.
God is Sovereign, we have free will but we only have free will because He is Sovereign.
 
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Romans 5:12-13

12*Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13*(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
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Tintin said:
Sin.
Rebellion against God.
Lucifer was the original instigator for sin but it wasn't created - evil is an absence of God's goodness, a corruption.
God allowed sin, Lucifer birthed it and we continued in sin.
God is Sovereign, we have free will but we only have free will because He is Sovereign.
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So sin/evil was birthed by Lucifer?
Can you unpack that?
 
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Lucifer and one third of the angels that fell were not created with sin but rather as free moral agents thus the sin of pride originated in Lucifer's heart and the other angels joined him. Likewise, Adam and Eve possessed the ability to obey or disobey God but chose to disobey thereby incurred death (Genesis 2:17, James 1:15), which led to sin entering the world (Romans 5:12).
 
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starfield said:
Lucifer and one third of the angels that fell were not created with sin but rather as free moral agents thus the sin of pride originated in Lucifer's heart and the other angels joined him. Likewise, Adam and Eve possessed the ability to obey or disobey God but chose to disobey thereby incurred death (Genesis 2:17, James 1:15), which led to sin entering the world (Romans 5:12).
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So what in the future will prevent another angel from exercising its freewill in a sinful way?
 
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There is nothing stopping free will to sin except our own heart's desire for it. If God were to stop the free will He has given us, we would become robots, and I don't believe that's what God wants, He desires us to love Him of our own accord.
 
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carey said:
There is nothing stopping free will to sin except our own heart's desire for it. If God were to stop the free will He has given us, we would become robots, and I don't believe that's what God wants, He desires us to love Him of our own accord.
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So you are saying we will be free to sin in heaven since we have free will?.
 
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crossnote said:
If you answer 'Lucifer' that only answers 'through whom' sin came. Besides pride is only one of sin's manifestation.

If it originated in Lucifer's heart then it is a matter of free will and what guarantee will there be that free will won't commit it anew in heaven in the future?

God is not it's author.

any ideas?
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Sin is a choice. Sin is transgression of the law and therefore a choice. Sin will not rise a second time after God has dealt with it.
Nahum 1:9 KJV
(9) What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
 
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I would say sin came from the basic human desire to rebel against what is good and Holy/rules.
Sin may be said not to have actually existed before Adam and eve ate the apple, but the nature to sin was, if I can put it that way
Tell a child not to do something?(give them rules) and all of a sudden huge desire breaks out in them to disobey the rules a loving parent gives them for their own good, its basic human nature, and Adam and Eve were humans
The serpent just had to goad Eve to do what was so basic to that human nature, and she didn't take much convincing to disobey
 
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Hebrews 10:14
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Matthew 13:40–43
40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place

Hebrews 9:26
26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself

Revelation 21:4 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.






 
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We wont be as Adam innocent,lacking, very good but not perfectly holy.
We will be Like Jesus Christ, perfectly righteous, unable to sin. Unwanting to sin.
 
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the op ok

Innocence is the absence of something (sin), while righteousness is the presence of something (God’s holiness).
In heaven God will never withhold from us His Holiness.

The former creation did not have His Holiness.

The new creation in glory will not have death, death is the wages of sin. So there will be no more sin.

Another thing Christ accomplished on the cross and resurrection.:cool:

 
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ok the answer :sin came from transgressing Gods command.:pcookie?
since thats what sin is.
 
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crossnote said:
So you are saying we will be free to sin in heaven since we have free will?.
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What I believe is that we will be too busy worshipping God to worry about sin, since God is perfect, and sin cannot be near Him?,I would think there would be nothing to tempt us to sin
 
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Also what is sin?
Deceptive
What does sin do?
It caters to our carnal flesh
Can you see those characteristics in our loving Father?
Absolutely not!
So even though we still have free will, we will no longer think of fleshly things, but rather spiritual things
 
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Abiding said:
We wont be as Adam innocent,lacking, very good but not perfectly holy.
We will be Like Jesus Christ, perfectly righteous, unable to sin. Unwanting to sin.
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Does 'unable' to sin mean a lack of choice to sin?
 
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carey said:
What I believe is that we will be too busy worshipping God to worry about sin, since God is perfect, and sin cannot be near Him?,I would think there would be nothing to tempt us to sin
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Was Lucifer too busy worshipping that he didn't have time to sin? What tempted Lucifer wont tempt us?
 
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carey said:
Also what is sin?
Deceptive
What does sin do?
It caters to our carnal flesh
Can you see those characteristics in our loving Father?
Absolutely not!
So even though we still have free will, we will no longer think of fleshly things, but rather spiritual things
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sin is deceptive and I think that is the beginning of the answer to 'where did sin come from'.
 
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