where did sin come from?
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I should not answer YET! Or I wonder if I may answer! As so many beat about the bush. The only SIN you should worry about is the ones YOU HAVE TO ANSWER for! And believe me you WILL answer! How you do it is the IMPORTANT message.
There are only TWO ways to answer for sin, I wonder who can prove this TRUTH! Who can SHOW with scripture what these two ways are?
I hope I do not have too! I hope at least one person will SHOW how sin is answered! One of TWO ways... One bad, one good!
There are only TWO ways to answer for sin, I wonder who can prove this TRUTH! Who can SHOW with scripture what these two ways are?
I hope I do not have too! I hope at least one person will SHOW how sin is answered! One of TWO ways... One bad, one good!
E
Look up the word regenerate. and not mans view of what it is.
the word means to be quickened, or to be made alive. It has a term, it is called eternal life.
One can not be quickened unless the thing which makes them dead (sin) is taken care of. In other words, we must be justified (made right with God) before we can be regenerated, or given eternal life.
God did not quicken you before you had faith. he gave you the word. and the ability to have faith based on his promise. You chose to believe in him, or you chose to reject him. But either way, you have to chose.
We have seen that the ability of all men of sane mind to obey God, is necessarily assumed as a first truth, and that this assumption is from the very laws of mind, the indispensable condition of the affirmation, or even the conception, that they are subjects of moral obligation; that, but for this assumption, men could not so much as conceive the possibility of moral responsibility, and of praiseworthiness and blameworthiness.
Charles G. Finney
Systematic Theology, 1878 edition, Lecture 32 444
Romans 8
5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Charles G. Finney
Systematic Theology, 1878 edition, Lecture 32 444
Romans 8
5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
diggs, where are you?
1) Scripture shows that the angels were subjected to a trial of obedience, which some of them failed, and for which they were condemned and cast out of heaven to earth.
No remedy was provided for those who failed.
I suspect Satan's rebellion was occasioned by God informing the heavenly hosts that he intended to create matter and humans, and would give the humans to share in the glory of the Son, in which glory the angels did not share.
I suspect the nature of Satan's greatness resulted in him rejecting God's plan to make humans greater than he, because he did not want to give up being the greatest in God's creation.
I suspect Satan then purposed to keep as many from that goal as he could, which is why he showed up in the garden, and why he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour on earth.
I suspect that the angels who passed the trial of obedience were made immutable in their obedience, as God is immutable,
but no one suggests he dosn't have free will, even though he cannot sin.
2) Then there was man.
They were put on a trial of obedience in the garden, where Adam chose Eve over obedience to God, resulting in loss of eternal life.
Why would Adam make that choice?
I suggest it is because God created him with human emotion and desire which could conflict with obedience to God,, just as Satan's greatness could conflict with obedience to God, but Adam had the moral power to choose God over Eve, which he did not do, just as Satan had the moral power to choose God over holding on to his pre-eminent greatness.
But this time God provided a remedy for mankind, in Jesus.
3) Then there was Jesus.
He likewise was on a trial of obedience, from his temptation in the wilderness, to his agony in the garden, to his cry on the cross.
However, Jesus did not fail his trial as Adam did and, therefore, was fit to be God's remedy which satisfied his justice on the sin of the fallen men who believe in Jesus.
And I suspect redeemed mankind will be made immutable in glory, as God is immutable and unable to sin.
So where did sin come from?
From idolatry. . .in choosing the creature (self) over the Creator, the first sin in creation.
1) Scripture shows that the angels were subjected to a trial of obedience, which some of them failed, and for which they were condemned and cast out of heaven to earth.
No remedy was provided for those who failed.
I suspect Satan's rebellion was occasioned by God informing the heavenly hosts that he intended to create matter and humans, and would give the humans to share in the glory of the Son, in which glory the angels did not share.
I suspect the nature of Satan's greatness resulted in him rejecting God's plan to make humans greater than he, because he did not want to give up being the greatest in God's creation.
I suspect Satan then purposed to keep as many from that goal as he could, which is why he showed up in the garden, and why he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour on earth.
I suspect that the angels who passed the trial of obedience were made immutable in their obedience, as God is immutable,
but no one suggests he dosn't have free will, even though he cannot sin.
2) Then there was man.
They were put on a trial of obedience in the garden, where Adam chose Eve over obedience to God, resulting in loss of eternal life.
Why would Adam make that choice?
I suggest it is because God created him with human emotion and desire which could conflict with obedience to God,, just as Satan's greatness could conflict with obedience to God, but Adam had the moral power to choose God over Eve, which he did not do, just as Satan had the moral power to choose God over holding on to his pre-eminent greatness.
But this time God provided a remedy for mankind, in Jesus.
3) Then there was Jesus.
He likewise was on a trial of obedience, from his temptation in the wilderness, to his agony in the garden, to his cry on the cross.
However, Jesus did not fail his trial as Adam did and, therefore, was fit to be God's remedy which satisfied his justice on the sin of the fallen men who believe in Jesus.
And I suspect redeemed mankind will be made immutable in glory, as God is immutable and unable to sin.
So where did sin come from?
From idolatry. . .in choosing the creature (self) over the Creator, the first sin in creation.
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Actually I disagree.
If as you say, someone makes me do it. then it is not faith at all. It is something quite different.
It is no different than a dictator forcing people to trust him. vs one who by his actions draws people to trust him because he is trustworthy.
This is the God I follow. he is trustworthy, he has earned by trust in him.. he did not force me to trust him. He did not have to..
If as you say, someone makes me do it. then it is not faith at all. It is something quite different.
It is no different than a dictator forcing people to trust him. vs one who by his actions draws people to trust him because he is trustworthy.
This is the God I follow. he is trustworthy, he has earned by trust in him.. he did not force me to trust him. He did not have to..
C
A faith which is caused by having someone 'MAKE' us have that faith is no more worthy than a pretentious act of compliance.
Eph.2
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (after having died to one's flesh, we are quickened as sons of God)
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, ( by grace ye are saved; ) (see verse one. And this is done not by your work but by His grace)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (It was by the gracious act of God that salvation would be through faith and not through the Law. They of the Law obtained righteousness through their obedience of the Law, but now righteousness is obtained through God's gracious act of faith. This we have not earned but is a gift from God)
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph.2
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (after having died to one's flesh, we are quickened as sons of God)
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, ( by grace ye are saved; ) (see verse one. And this is done not by your work but by His grace)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (It was by the gracious act of God that salvation would be through faith and not through the Law. They of the Law obtained righteousness through their obedience of the Law, but now righteousness is obtained through God's gracious act of faith. This we have not earned but is a gift from God)
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
J
So, heaven may not actually be a sinless place after all...
So, how is it that Jesus is the giver of eternal life, if you're the one who must have the ability, power, and the desire to save yourself, and keep yourself saved? Why not just be honest. "I saved myself, I am saving myself, and I will save myself"
So, how is it that Jesus is the giver of eternal life, if you're the one who must have the ability, power, and the desire to save yourself, and keep yourself saved? Why not just be honest. "I saved myself, I am saving myself, and I will save myself"
Faith is a gift, you can surely own it as your own.
But it didn't originate in or with you. You were not naturally born to believe the record God gave of His Son. In your natural state you were at enmity with Him, bearing fruit unto death and all spiritual matters from God were foolishness unto you.
And drop that "dictator" thing. If God didn't move with His Spirit on people, causing them to believe the gospel, none would believe. The drawing might be "forceful" if you will then, but to quicken somebody who's dead and bring him back to life is nothing but the greatest love.
But it didn't originate in or with you. You were not naturally born to believe the record God gave of His Son. In your natural state you were at enmity with Him, bearing fruit unto death and all spiritual matters from God were foolishness unto you.
And drop that "dictator" thing. If God didn't move with His Spirit on people, causing them to believe the gospel, none would believe. The drawing might be "forceful" if you will then, but to quicken somebody who's dead and bring him back to life is nothing but the greatest love.
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