Who Is A Jew

[JaumeJ]

First, where does the word, Jew, originate in relation to a people? When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord." Judah is comprised of two Hebrew words, Yah and yadah, or Yahweh and to praise, give thanks, confess. Together they mean praise or praiser of Yahweh. The word, Jew, is short for the title of any person of the tribe of Judah, as were called all believers of Yahweh at the time of Yeshua.
All who love Yahweh are praisers of Yah, they are all Jews...............

 

[JaumeJ]

First, where does the word, Jew, originate in relation to a people? When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord." Judah is comprised of two Hebrew words, Yah and yadah, or Yahweh and to praise, give thanks, confess. Together they mean praise or praiser of Yahweh. The word, Jew, is short for the title of any person of the tribe of Judah, as were called all believers of Yahweh at the time of Yeshua.
All who love Yahweh are praisers of Yah, they are all Jews...............

It will help all to understand implicitely in reading Paul's discourse on who is a Jew, and also understanding who the people of Yahweh are. Below is one line only from Paul in comparison mode.

Rom 2:29
(ASV) but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(Darby) but he is a Jew who is so inwardly; and circumcision, of the heart, in spirit, not in letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
　
(DRB) But he is a Jew that is one inwardly and the circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter: whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(FDB) mais celui-là est Juif qui l'est au dedans, et la circoncision est du coeur, en esprit, non pas dans la lettre; et la louange de ce Juif ne vient pas des hommes, mais de Dieu.
(FLS) Mais le Juif, c'est celui qui l'est intérieurement; et la circoncision, c'est celle du coeur, selon l'esprit et non selon la lettre. La louange de ce Juif ne vient pas des hommes, mais de Dieu.

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כי אם־תוכו של אדם הוא יהודי ומילה היא בלב כפי הרוח ולא כפי הכתב אשר־לא מבני אדם תהלתו כי אם־מאת האלהים׃
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(INR) ma Giudeo è colui che lo è interiormente; e la circoncisione è quella del cuore, nello spirito, non nella lettera; di un tale Giudeo la lode proviene non dagli uomini, ma da Dio.
(IRL) ma Giudeo è colui che lo è interiormente; e la circoncisione è quella del cuore, in ispirito, non in lettera; d'un tal Giudeo la lode procede non dagli uomini, ma da Dio.
(KJV) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(KJV+) ButG235 he is a Jew,G2453 which is one inwardly;G1722 G2927 andG2532 circumcisionG4061 is that of the heart,G2588 inG1722 the spirit,G4151 and notG3756 in the letter;G1121 whoseG3739 praiseG1868 is notG3756 ofG1537 men,G444 butG235 ofG1537 God.G2316
(ROB) Ci este iudeu cel întru ascuns, iar tăierea împrejur este aceea a inimii, în duh, nu în literă; a cărui laudă nu vine de la oameni, ci de la Dumnezeu.
(SSE) sino que es judío el que lo es en lo interior; y la circuncisión es la del corazón, en espíritu, no en letra; la alabanza del cual no es por los hombres, sino por Dios.
(Vulgate) sed qui in abscondito Iudaeus et circumcisio cordis in spiritu non littera cuius laus non ex hominibus sed ex Deo est
(Webster) But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.
(WNT) But the true Jew is one inwardly, and true circumcision is heart-circumcision--not literal, but spiritual; and such people receive praise not from men, but from God.
　

 

[WolfInOxHide]

I also think it's important to identify who this YHWH is that we seek, as if to be properly "Jew".
YHWH is the breath of life, not a breath of destruction, and not a double-minded equilibrium.

 

[JaumeJ]

I also think it's important to identify who this YHWH is that we seek, as if to be properly "Jew".
YHWH is the breath of life, not a breath of destruction, and not a double-minded equilibrium.

When Yahweh introduced Himself to Moses, He did not use the gerund, Yahweh, He said I am who I am, I am in the form of the verb, hayah, be. Be being active, it means He actively is. No creature can boast this, the actual word He uses is אהיה. The phrase in Hebrew looks like this:
H4872 אהיהH1961 אשׁרH834 אהיה
Again, Yahweh is the gerund form, nominative, of a transitive form of the infinitive, to be. No creature is able to BE, standing alone, only the Maker of all that is may do this, God.
In Zephaniah 3:9 God promises to return a pure language (tongue) to the peoples so they all may call upon Him by One Name.
I have never thought this pure tongue to be Hebrew. Having received the Holy Spirit when first saved by Yahweh, I understood without words what He said to me, just as all who receive the Holy Spirit do, and I believe this will be that pure tongue. I cannot, nor will I, declare this to be absolutely correct, but I would be a great liar were I to try to say it to be otherwise.
His name, also, will be revealed to all at that time, I believe, again, I will not declare this to be certain, and again I would be a great liar were I to say it to be otherwise.
The most important thing in this age is to revere and worship Yahweh, amen.

 

[greatblue]

The word, Jew, is short for the title of any person of the tribe of Judah, as were called all believers of Yahweh at the time of Yeshua.
All who love Yahweh are praisers of Yah, they are all Jews...............

Jack...I'm not so inline with you here. Let me quickly explain my thoughts.

Gal 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

I don't believe you cannot recommit "Jew" to identify Abraham's seed after Christ, or as Christ's followers now. Perhaps you can explain why you want to do this...what purpose does it serve for you?

For me I feel like we're going through John 8 all over again. The Jews were not Abraham's seed in faith, though they were physically his seed. In your Romans verse Paul was talking to Jews and about physical circumcision. He ended that with your v. 29 with a powerful deconstruction of physical "Jew" and "circumcision", but then "Jew" inwardly was spiritual. But he only used "Jew" in the same way that Jesus states that salvation is of the Jews in John 4. The worshipers in Spirit and Truth cannot be reclaimed by man to be "Jews" again. There was a shift to "all one" in Christ, yet you want to proclaim "Jew" on "all one". What is the benefit/purpose to this type of contention?

 

[JaumeJ]

Jack...I'm not so inline with you here. Let me quickly explain my thoughts.

Gal 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

I don't believe you cannot recommit "Jew" to identify Abraham's seed after Christ, or as Christ's followers now. Perhaps you can explain why you want to do this...what purpose does it serve for you?

For me I feel like we're going through John 8 all over again. The Jews were not Abraham's seed in faith, though they were physically his seed. In your Romans verse Paul was talking to Jews and about physical circumcision. He ended that with your v. 29 with a powerful deconstruction of physical "Jew" and "circumcision", but then "Jew" inwardly was spiritual. But he only used "Jew" in the same way that Jesus states that salvation is of the Jews in John 4. The worshipers in Spirit and Truth cannot be reclaimed by man to be "Jews" again. There was a shift to "all one" in Christ, yet you want to proclaim "Jew" on "all one". What is the benefit/purpose to this type of contention?

The very last desire of my heart is for anyone to be in line with ME. It is Yeshua, it is His Word, and it is what the translations and meanings of the words in question are. I cannot deny the translation. Even if the translation is not understood, I believe Paul's discourse on who is a Jew should more than compensate for anyone not comprehending the translation of mere words. Paul explains in detail who are Jews and who are not, in Romans. Also, Jesus is our King, and He is King of the Jews, there is a reason for that title being placed over His beloved Head when He was crucified for us all.

 

[cenallen]

First, where does the word, Jew, originate in relation to a people? When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord." Judah is comprised of two Hebrew words, Yah and yadah, or Yahweh and to praise, give thanks, confess. Together they mean praise or praiser of Yahweh. The word, Jew, is short for the title of any person of the tribe of Judah, as were called all believers of Yahweh at the time of Yeshua.
All who love Yahweh are praisers of Yah, they are all Jews...............

are unbelieving jews who reject Jesus 'real jews' according to your teaching, then?
do they know the true God while rejecting Jesus?
according to Jesus they do not.

so are they no longer 'jews'?
what should they call themselves since you want the name for yourself?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Romans 11

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

 

[cenallen]

It will help all to understand implicitely in reading Paul's discourse on who is a Jew, and also understanding who the people of Yahweh are. Below is one line only from Paul in comparison mode.

most christians know this teaching. it's a spiritual teaching (and you've done a shallow covering of the etymology of jew)

again i'll ask: if you want to take the name jew to yourself, what should the people in israel (and elsewhere) who reject Jesus call themselves?

 

[cenallen]

Jack...I'm not so inline with you here. Let me quickly explain my thoughts.

Gal 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

I don't believe you cannot recommit "Jew" to identify Abraham's seed after Christ, or as Christ's followers now. Perhaps you can explain why you want to do this...what purpose does it serve for you?

For me I feel like we're going through John 8 all over again. The Jews were not Abraham's seed in faith, though they were physically his seed. In your Romans verse Paul was talking to Jews and about physical circumcision. He ended that with your v. 29 with a powerful deconstruction of physical "Jew" and "circumcision", but then "Jew" inwardly was spiritual. But he only used "Jew" in the same way that Jesus states that salvation is of the Jews in John 4. The worshipers in Spirit and Truth cannot be reclaimed by man to be "Jews" again. There was a shift to "all one" in Christ, yet you want to proclaim "Jew" on "all one". What is the benefit/purpose to this type of contention?

exactly. it antagonizes jews and leads to a dangerous series of teachings out there about race-based salvation/covenants.
surely we know this.

 

[Abiding]

seems to be a subject few have really studied, or understand.

 

[Laodicea]

What was literal in the OT is spiritual in the NT. Babylon in the OT was literal and in the NT it is spiritual. Israel in the OT was literal and in the NT it is spiritual. Jesus was clear that the kingdom of God was taken from Israel and given to another. Literal Israel will never be God's chosen people again as a nation, only as individuals if they give their life to Christ.

Matthew 21:43-45
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

again i'll ask: if you want to take the name jew to yourself, what should the people in israel (and elsewhere) who reject Jesus call themselves?

I do not believe these people are the descendants of Israel that they claim to be, any more than the rest of us who are scattered among the gentiles. There's history about where they came from, but I can't remember the details. I don't know what they *should* call themselves, but I don't think we should call them Israelites based on their physical location alone.

I think it's interesting to note that "science" for what it's worth, has proven that Adam and Eve were both "black", and that every human on earth contains parts of that original "black" dna. It is my opinion that in Jesus's day, most physically descended from Abraham were either black or obviously mixed in appearance, who were living in Jerusalem, including Jesus. The paintings that hang in most places of him are based on a paintings commissioned by a catholic bishop, Cesare Borgia, who had his own face used as that of Jesus.
I believe this has been hidden as part of the effort to oppress black people on a global basis, because they are the original biblical ethnicity. I also believe the revelation of this has been misused by some black people to make extraordinary claims. Deception from both sides to split brothers and sisters based on color. (I am not black btw, as if it should matter)

Can you imagine what white racist people will feel in their heart if Y'Shua walks out on the stage and is a black or mixed looking man? I believe this, and pray this is so, for His glory, and to restore the dignity of those who have been oppressed. I have seen Him in very vivid dreams, and He looks like the paintings, but I think this is just so that I would have no mistake as to who I was looking at.

Not trying to get off topic, just expanding on "who IS a jew?", physically, spiritually, fully?
Anyone who worships THE true God, IMO. I think 1/3+ of all mankind will be revealed as "spiritual Israel" for reasons too long to elaborate on here.
Peace.

 

[relicsong]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.Gal. 3:28

 

[cenallen]

I do not believe these people are the descendants of Israel that they claim to be, any more than the rest of us who are scattered among the gentiles. There's history about where they came from, but I can't remember the details. I don't know what they *should* call themselves, but I don't think we should call them Israelites based on their physical location alone.

I think it's interesting to note that "science" for what it's worth, has proven that Adam and Eve were both "black", and that every human on earth contains parts of that original "black" dna. It is my opinion that in Jesus's day, most physically descended from Abraham were either black or obviously mixed in appearance, who were living in Jerusalem, including Jesus. The paintings that hang in most places of him are based on a paintings commissioned by a catholic bishop, Cesare Borgia, who had his own face used as that of Jesus.
I believe this has been hidden as part of the effort to oppress black people on a global basis, because they are the original biblical ethnicity. I also believe the revelation of this has been misused by some black people to make extraordinary claims. Deception from both sides to split brothers and sisters based on color. (I am not black btw, as if it should matter)

Can you imagine what white racist people will feel in their heart if Y'Shua walks out on the stage and is a black or mixed looking man? I believe this, and pray this is so, for His glory, and to restore the dignity of those who have been oppressed. I have seen Him in very vivid dreams, and He looks like the paintings, but I think this is just so that I would have no mistake as to who I was looking at.

Not trying to get off topic, just expanding on "who IS a jew?", physically, spiritually, fully?
Anyone who worships THE true God, IMO. I think 1/3+ of all mankind will be revealed as "spiritual Israel" for reasons too long to elaborate on here.
Peace.

i would agree with much of what you have written. though not all.

re: Moses
Exodus 2 19And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.

moses believed to be an egyptian all the years he was raised by Pharaohs daughter..

hmmm

 

[JaumeJ]

If the words I post can be so distorted and twisted out of recognition by so few here, it saddens me to think how many more are out in this dark world doing the same to the Word of Yahweh. Yeshua asked if when He returns will there be faith. He knew the hearts of men, amen

 

[cenallen]

If the words I post can be so distorted and twisted out of recognition by so few here, it saddens me to think how many more are out in this dark world doing the same to the Word of Yahweh. Yeshua asked if when He returns will there be faith. He knew the hearts of men, amen

no, your original post was a distortion of the word jew.
which is helpful neither to people calling themselves jews today, nor for understanding the etymology of the words יְהוּדָה or יהודי

First, where does the word, Jew, originate in relation to a people? When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord." Judah is comprised of two Hebrew words, Yah and yadah, or Yahweh and to praise, give thanks, confess. Together they mean praise or praiser of Yahweh. The word, Jew, is short for the title of any person of the tribe of Judah, as were called all believers of Yahweh at the time of Yeshua.
All who love Yahweh are praisers of Yah, they are all Jews...............

First, where does the word, Jew, originate in relation to a people?

jew is an english noun.
the english language traces back not farther than 600AD, with the most reasonable dating for the noun jew somewhere in the Old English period (between 600 and 1100AD).

so i don't know why we are so careless, if we're going to use some words and give them epic Biblical import when in reality they are not accurate nouns from our Biblical texts, nor are they accurate nouns as applied to people groups today. that's the only reason i replied.

i realize you're well-intentioned, but see here:

it saddens me to think how many more are out in this dark world doing the same to the Word of Yahweh.

you're right about this, and those doing the most harm to the words of the Lord God of the fathers of Moses and the israelites, the God of Abraam, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, as well as the noun yehudi are those applying the english noun jew to themselves.

we needn't add to their confusion.
they need the Gospel.

 

[mdankoski]

Not to argue with wolfinoxhide, but I have also heard that ALL of mankind possesses the DNA of white,black, people with all colors of skin as well as the DNA of all various facial and physical features, and that in the various races one set of DNA is the dominant, in another race, another set of DNA is dominant. Are they sure Adam and Eve were black, or could they have been a mixture, or even native american or oriental? How do they know for sure about Adam and Eve? I don't think they found the exact bones of the original 2 first people.

 

[JaumeJ]

no, your original post was a distortion of the word jew.
which is helpful neither to people calling themselves jews today, nor for understanding the etymology of the words יְהוּדָה or יהודי





jew is an english noun.
the english language traces back not farther than 600AD, with the most reasonable dating for the noun jew somewhere in the Old English period (between 600 and 1100AD).

so i don't know why we are so careless, if we're going to use some words and give them epic Biblical import when in reality they are not accurate nouns from our Biblical texts, nor are they accurate nouns as applied to people groups today. that's the only reason i replied.

i realize you're well-intentioned, but see here:



you're right about this, and those doing the most harm to the words of the Lord God of the fathers of Moses and the israelites, the God of Abraam, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, as well as the noun yehudi are those applying the english noun jew to themselves.

we needn't add to their confusion.
they need the Gospel.

I would not know, having been a language major with a second in linguistics. What I do know is you seem to be getting everything out of kilter. I will give you a hint to your errors in language, Jew is not an English word, it is an English transliteration from Judah or יהודה, as all words have an etymology. Discussing this further does not serve the interest of those who seriously seek to please Yahweh.

 

[greatblue]

If the words I post can be so distorted and twisted out of recognition by so few here, it saddens me to think how many more are out in this dark world doing the same to the Word of Yahweh. Yeshua asked if when He returns will there be faith. He knew the hearts of men, amen

It certainly wasn't my intention to twist or distort what you posted, so I apologize if that is what I did, or if I misunderstood you. I believe you are a firm believer in Jesus Christ, Yeshua as you call Him. I see the love of God in your posts and I am grateful to read what comes out of your heat! Now I know from your posts that you have studied Hebrew, and as evidenced by your use of Yahweh and Yeshua, I see that love of the Hebrew language has taken up residence in your faith. And, I see this very thread as further evidence of that, which no doubt is to the glory of God.

May are hearts be fully resigned to Him alone.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.