Who Is A Jew

cenallen · Aug 23, 2012

nonsense.
do you not know God's eternal plan? see Ephesians.

check your fake love. if you loved jews you'd stop taking their name to yourself, and stop suggesting something that isn't true.
you'd stop puffing up rabbis and tell them the truth.

the term "Judaizing" is antiJUDAISM. not antijew.

but you want it to be so antisemitic so you can appear spiritual with your philosemitism (which is a misnomer - did you visit suffering Gazans christian while kibbutzing?) even though Judaism calls Jesus a sorcerer, sinner, blasphemer and His mother a whore. so do the rabbis you consult. they just do it when you're out of ear-shot.

anti-Judaism. i am anti-judaism, for it is antichristian.

you are anti-jew for you can't be bothered to learn the truth, and tell the church and the jew.

find where i've said that.
you won't.

no, fake, smooth religious language as a cover for judaizing (pro-judaism) is hate. got it?

then check this out. maybe you'll stop mixing Christ and Ba'al.

Talmud - Sanhedrin 107B "Jesus... stood up a brick to symbolize an idol and bowed down to it. Jesus performed magic and incited the people of Israel and led them astray."

did you know this is the unforgivable sin?
the kids on your kibbutz are taught it.

i won't bother with the stuff about Jesus boiling in DUNG in hell according to the "experts".
look it up yourself. play church with the pharisees if you want to.

Ephesians 3 1When I think of all this, I, Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus for the benefit of you Gentilesa . . . 2assuming, by the way, that you know God gave me the special responsibility of extending his grace to you Gentiles. 3As I briefly wrote earlier, God himself revealed his mysterious plan to me. 4As you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ. 5God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by his Spirit he has revealed it to his holy apostles and prophets.

6 And this is God’s plan: Both Gentiles and Jews who believe the Good News share equally in the riches inherited by God’s children. Both are part of the same body, and both enjoy the promise of blessings because they belong to Christ Jesus.b 7By God’s grace and mighty power, I have been given the privilege of serving him by spreading this Good News.

8Though I am the least deserving of all God’s people, he graciously gave me the privilege of telling the Gentiles about the endless treasures available to them in Christ. 9 I was chosen to explain to everyonec this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning.

10God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

ETERNAL PURPOSE - NO DIFFERENCE.

JaumeJ · Aug 23, 2012

greatblue said:

You have no need to ask forgiveness, you are in Yeshua, Jesus. Now, if I were to be perfectly making reference to Jesus, Yeshua or to the Father, Yahweh, I suppose I would have to do my best to translate the names totally, correct? Perhaps it is I who should ask Your forgiveness. At any rate the translations to English follow:

How about if I always call Jesus, Yeshua, Help of I am The Anointed, and I call Yahweh, God, I am that I am! It truly is closest to actually translating the names to English. If this were done it could be said Noah is Dove, Adam is man, Abraham is Honored Father of a Multitude, and so on. The truth is, it would make a lot of things much clearer were all names from the Word translated totally to English in English, and French in French etc, but they never have been, and I honestly believe it is I Am that I Am's plan, somehow. How is not quite certain. Perhaps it is so certain aspects of the Word will not come to the fore until people start recognizing that many words are not totally translated. What do you say about that? I know it is always a great blessing when translating names completely to English while reading the Word. Here is a very good example. Bethlehem is beit lechem which would translate House of Bread. Now, what a most appropriate name for the city where our Savior was born, after all He is the Bread from Heaven. The Word is Salvation and it is fascinating, amen.

JaumeJ · Aug 23, 2012

cenallen said:

nonsense.
do you not know God's eternal plan? see Ephesians.

check your fake love. if you loved jews you'd stop taking their name to yourself, and stop suggesting something that isn't true.
you'd stop puffing up rabbis and tell them the truth.

the term "Judaizing" is antiJUDAISM. not antijew.

but you want it to be so antisemitic so you can appear spiritual with your philosemitism (which is a misnomer - did you visit suffering Gazans christian while kibbutzing?) even though Judaism calls Jesus a sorcerer, sinner, blasphemer and His mother a whore. so do the rabbis you consult. they just do it when you're out of ear-shot.

anti-Judaism. i am anti-judaism, for it is antichristian.

you are anti-jew for you can't be bothered to learn the truth, and tell the church and the jew.

find where i've said that.
you won't.

no, fake, smooth religious language as a cover for judaizing (pro-judaism) is hate. got it?

then check this out. maybe you'll stop mixing Christ and Ba'al.

Talmud - Sanhedrin 107B "Jesus... stood up a brick to symbolize an idol and bowed down to it. Jesus performed magic and incited the people of Israel and led them astray."

did you know this is the unforgivable sin?
the kids on your kibbutz are taught it.

i won't bother with the stuff about Jesus boiling in DUNG in hell according to the "experts".
look it up yourself. play church with the pharisees if you want to.

Ephesians 3 1When I think of all this, I, Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus for the benefit of you Gentilesa . . . 2assuming, by the way, that you know God gave me the special responsibility of extending his grace to you Gentiles. 3As I briefly wrote earlier, God himself revealed his mysterious plan to me. 4As you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ. 5God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by his Spirit he has revealed it to his holy apostles and prophets.

6 And this is God’s plan: Both Gentiles and Jews who believe the Good News share equally in the riches inherited by God’s children. Both are part of the same body, and both enjoy the promise of blessings because they belong to Christ Jesus.b 7By God’s grace and mighty power, I have been given the privilege of serving him by spreading this Good News.

8Though I am the least deserving of all God’s people, he graciously gave me the privilege of telling the Gentiles about the endless treasures available to them in Christ. 9 I was chosen to explain to everyonec this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning.

10God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

ETERNAL PURPOSE - NO DIFFERENCE.

Why do you constantly change around what your are saying in your posts? I cannot interact with confusion in any manner ciao.

greatblue · Aug 23, 2012

JaumeJ said:

He is Yeshua, as you say. He is Boundless Love, He is the Right Hand of God, He is God. I call Him Jesus Christ, but I have also called Him Y'shua in prayer. I believe He is beyond any linguistic name we actually have for Him! I showed you my sinful nature...and I repented to God, and am sorry to you.

I do struggle with a roots movement that sends people back to Judaic observances that were fulfilled in Christ. And this is my faith, that Christ fulfilled all things and united all things under Him. To this point I believe He became the Name of God for the nations, and indeed He is. I don't think that 2000 years have gone by with His Holy Spirit directing us incorrectly; God gave Himself because he wasn't allowing man to get it all wrong again. I do not think you are a Judaiser.

Anyway...your love for the Lord is something I cherish and it encourages me! Peace in Him!

JaumeJ · Aug 23, 2012

greatblue said:

Thank you for the beautiful lesson of just Who our Lord really is. May He always keep you near, amen..... Nothing can go wrong because what you have stated in so few words is absolutely right. He has directed all, and nothing has gone wrong, not a thing.

Laodicea · Sep 4, 2012

According to the Bible Jesus is the true Israel and only those who belong to Christ belong to the true Israel.

Laodicea · Sep 4, 2012

In the OT there is.
Jacob-Israel
12 Sons-tribes
70 elders
Children of Israel

In the NT there is
Jesus-Israel
12 Apostles
70 disciples
Church

The OT church was a type of the church in the NT. It is meant to teach that for salvation we need to belong to Israel (Christ) The whole Bible is about Christ and is to teach Christ. Being a part of literal Israel does not mean anything, we need to be a part of the true Israel that is what matters.

cenallen · Sep 4, 2012

JaumeJ said:

no, its you who is confused. all you have to do is read this:

Ephesians 3 1When I think of all this, I, Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus for the benefit of you Gentiles. . . 2assuming, by the way, that you know God gave me the special responsibility of extending his grace to you Gentiles. 3As I briefly wrote earlier, God himself revealed his mysterious plan to me. 4As you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ. 5God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by his Spirit he has revealed it to his holy apostles and prophets.

6 And this is God’s plan: Both Gentiles and Jews who believe the Good News share equally in the riches inherited by God’s children. Both are part of the same body, and both enjoy the promise of blessings because they belong to Christ Jesus.b 7By God’s grace and mighty power, I have been given the privilege of serving him by spreading this Good News.

8Though I am the least deserving of all God’s people, he graciously gave me the privilege of telling the Gentiles about the endless treasures available to them in Christ. 9 I was chosen to explain to everyonec this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning.

10 God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

do you understand His Eternal Plan?

(anyone can see your double-speak/think by looking at 2 threads on the front page today)

JaumeJ · Sep 5, 2012

cenallen said:

How do you see any contradiction in anything I have ever posted? I do see that when the mention of anything sounding close to loving Jews, whether they believe or do not, causes you to react violently. This should not be. Have you not read from Paul it is his desire, and Yahweh's for that matter, for all the Jews to be saved. Yet, whenever the fact that our faith is of the children of Israel, namely the Jews of the time of Yeshua, is mentioned, you go over the top. Pay attention, listen more, and talk a bit less. Even a burro is taken for intelligent in its silence.

JaumeJ · Sep 5, 2012

cenallen said:

What do you mean by pro-Judaism, and what is Judaism? I share in terms of believing Yeshua, the Jew, and knowing we are adopted as fellow heirs by Yahweh. Yeshua, the great and good Shepherd, brought us, His other flock, together with His own flock to share in all forever. Judaism is simply another denomination, of many denominations, that had already reared their heads before Yeshua. There were already factions, Pharisees and Sadducee's, and other sects. There was never an ism with Yeshua, and there never will be. Being a true Jew is simply praising Yahweh, and being a subject of the King, Yeshua.
Of course our Father is eternal, His commandment is eternal life, and we will be with Him forever in joy and jubilation praising Him and living in love forever.
Why are you so sensitive when the word, Jew, is employed properly? After all they are the chosen people. They are chosen for Yahweh's purpose, never for any righteousness of their own, yet I get the impression many people hate them because of the title "Chosen People." Well, like it or not, they are, and we become chosen also, again, not because of our merit. It is Yahweh's will. Study up, and listen to these children here in the forum. Yes, the ones who call Him Jesus, they know. Listen to the ones who talk of His free salvation and love. Listen to the ones who love Him; they know much more than most give them credit.
You will never find in my posts a place where I say I am a member of anything called Judaism, although by translation, as is anyone who praises Yahweh, I am a Jew, but this is not a religion, it simply places me in the Flock of the Almighty Yeshua, amen. You too if you really believe Him, by Jesus, Yesu, Yeshua, or whatever other translteration of His birth name. Perhaps you call Him, ישעה

Red33 · Sep 5, 2012

JaumeJ said:

You do realize that the Israel that God had chosen as His elect has been set aside for the past 2,000 plus years because they rejected their Messiah in unbelief as a people at His first coming? There is a remnant but the gospel has been primarily focused unto the Gentiles. You can call Christ Yeshua all you want, but the gospel is presented to the Gentiles through the name of Jesus and those that call upon that name shall be saved. The name of Jesus is to be preached to the Gentiles for there is no other name recognized under heaven whereby men can be saved.

Israel is going to have to wait for the time of Jacob's trouble for their eyes to be opened and the blindness they have incurred in part to be taken away with the second coming of the Messiah. The church today is by in large made up of Gentiles and a small remnant of Jews that have called upon the name of Christ for salvation and have recognized His blood as the only way of atonement and acceptance unto the Father. I am a Gentile and not a Jew and will never be a Jew no matter how much you try to convince others in their heart or even outwardly.

I and all Gentiles have been grafted into the vine (in Christ) by grace through faith and the work of the cross. Today, the cross is still a major stumbling block to the Jews. I am as proud of being a Gentile as any are proud of being a Jew. I am just as chosen and just as elect as any of the Jews and I am just as precious as any redeemed sinner in the sight of God. I, as a Gentile, have all the better promises of God with nothing left out concerning the things of God. I have a place in the new Jerusalem prepared for me and will reign with Christ in that place. The tree of life is made available to all believers who have trusted Christ and have not added to or taken away from the prophecy of this book.

I am glad to be born a Gentile and to be called by God's grace as a Gentile and to have the Lord indwell me through his Spirit and the incorruptible seed of His word. My inheritance falls short of nothing less then the inheritance of our Lord Jesus Christ for we are heirs with Christ and as He is so are we in this present world.

cenallen · Sep 5, 2012

JaumeJ said:

you'll have to pray about it i suppose.
you don't listen. and you don't reconsider what you've already said.

JaumeJ said:

well, here's a case where i will once again point out your double-speak to you.
whether you see it or not is your own concern.
let's adjust your backpeddaling a little (though i know you think it works to smooth over your errors, it doesn't):

JaumeJ said:

have you retracted your mega-error of claiming jews (even unbelieving jews) are the Root of Jesse?

have you prayed and sought the truth concerning the fact that Judaism is a blasphemous, obscene religion filled with hatred and distain toward moses and all the prophets, Jesus and His disciples, and christians and all non-jews?

if not, you should, for by declaring people in the Judaic religion should be esteemed and learned from as guardians of the Holy Scriptures, you are a partaker of their evil deeds.

and claiming ignorance doesn't hold water.
did you worship at the wailing wall?
do you know what that wall is, and what that religion is?
do you know who the g-d of Judaism is?

since you hold it all in such high regard while claiming the Name of Christ, do you think you ought to invest some time in making sure you're not betraying the Lord?

JaumeJ said:

ugh.

"Yet, whenever the fact that our faith is of the children of Israel, namely the Jews of the time of Yeshua, is mentioned, you go over the top."

you could go get any post where this is the case - but make sure it matches your accusation.
you won't find them. anywhere.
i read ALL the names and cases of the israelites in scripture who believe and REJOICE! it is their faith i identify with.
as for you - who can say?

my faith is the faith of ABRAHAM. do you get what that is?
faith in the promise? and it was given to me as a gift.

were all the "children of israel" faithful? or did a tiny remnant survive?
you can be of israel of old if you want to - most of them died in unbelief.

do you think i don't know that the Christian Church (assembly of the redeemed) is the ever-growing House of the Lord made up of jews and gentiles? you clearly see what you want to see in my posts - but you're misrepresenting them so you can be a good jew and so spiritual. its unfortunate you haven't yet bothered to read why paul wrote what he did, and that it WAS THE ETERNAL PURPOSE for God to draw to Himself peoples out of every kindred tongue and nation from before the foundation of the world.

what's that got to do with your worship of jews today?
still haven't determined what they believe and when they converted to Judaism?
why do you puff them up as the chosen people when they were never israelites?

JaumeJ said:

have you repented of declaring (as though you learned it from Yahweh) that jews are the Root of Jesse?
you didn't learn that from The Lord.
you learned it from your rabbis.

Beware the leaven of the Pharisees.

do you know Who said this?

cenallen · Sep 5, 2012

JaumeJ said:

who do you think you're fooling JaumeJ?

JaumeJ said:

i'm not.

in your case, you're reckless and selfish and insensitive to jews. you do not 'employ' the word properly.
but hey! you sound so spiritual.

JaumeJ said:

who are the chosen people JaumeJ? gentile converts to the antichrist religion of Judaism?
or people who are in Christ?

Rabbinic Judaism or Rabbinism (Hebrew: "Yahadut Rabanit" - יהדות רבני&#1514

has been the mainstream form of Judaism since the 6th century CE, after the codification of the Babylonian Talmud. Growing out of Pharisaic Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism became the predominant stream within the Jewish diaspora between the 2nd to 6th centuries, with the redaction of the oral law and the Talmud as the authoritative interpretation of Jewish scripture and to encourage the practice of Judaism in the absence of Temple sacrifice and other practices no longer possible. Rabbinic Judaism is based on the belief that at Mount Sinai, Moses received directly from God the Torah (Pentateuch) as well as additional oral explanation of the revelation, the "oral law," that was transmitted by Moses to the people in oral form.

Rabbinic Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 Peter 2
The Living Stone and a Chosen People
4As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”a

7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone,b”c
8and,

“A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”d

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

who are the Builders, JaumeJ? are they around today? are they holding jews captive?

help them all you want. its the wrong foundation.
but it feels so spiritual, doesn't it?

Acts 4 1And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, 2Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead. 3And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide. 4Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

5And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes, 6And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem. 7And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this? 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, 9If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. 14And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. 15But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, 16Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it. 17But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name. 18And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. 19But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. 20For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. 21So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done. 22For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was shewed.

now if those builders were destined to disobey the message and bring destruction upon themselves, what do you think the codified religion which took all jewry into bondage after Christ will do to them?

which is why i asked you - do you really love the jews?
do you tell them the truth? or do you puff them up and call them the chosen people?
you are the antisemite. of the worst kind - you have been given the Light of the Truth yet you mix it with darkness and continue to deceive the jewish people (not to mention christian who read your posts).

did you know that poor jews today are in iron-clad bondage not to Moses but to Rabbis - the true g-ds of Judaism?

did you know the ordinary jews can never find Jesus in that religion anywhere, since The Talmud confesses within itself to be the BURIAL GROUND OF MOSES? and it crows about killing the prophets?

so what excuse do you have for not knowing this JaumeJ?
none, that i can see.

and i won't even bother with the definition of who is a jew according to Judaism.

JaumeJ · Sep 5, 2012

Red33 said:

You do realize that the Israel that God had chosen as His elect has been set aside for the past 2,000 plus years because they rejected their Messiah in unbelief as a people at His first coming? There is a remnant but the gospel has been primarily focused unto the Gentiles. You can call Christ Yeshua all you want, but the gospel is presented to the Gentiles through the name of Jesus and those that call upon that name shall be saved. The name of Jesus is to be preached to the Gentiles for there is no other name recognized under heaven whereby men can be saved.

Israel began being disobedient to Yahweh in the wilderness, then in the promised land, and so the blessing and the curse were in effect. They even went so far as to offer their own children up in fire to the evil Moloch. This is no secret. As for the prophecies concerning the rejection of Yeshua, it is written He would be rejected not only by His own people but His own Tribe, Judah. Interesting the traitor who did the actual turning in was Judah, from the same name. Beware of judging anyone because Yahweh will justify the ungodly, and that is, at least for me, a warning to not judge to condemnation, no matter how evil we see someone being in our humble esteem. Now, we would be hypocrites not to judge for ourselves what is right.

Israel is going to have to wait for the time of Jacob's trouble for their eyes to be opened and the blindness they have incurred in part to be taken away with the second coming of the Messiah. The church today is by in large made up of Gentiles and a small remnant of Jews that have called upon the name of Christ for salvation and have recognized His blood as the only way of atonement and acceptance unto the Father. I am a Gentile and not a Jew and will never be a Jew no matter how much you try to convince others in their heart or even outwardly.

My own understanding is there will be very few with faith when our Savior returns, however only Yeshua knows the hearts of men. My heart's desire is to be filled with the Love He has for each of us, and I am painfully aware I have a ways to go, but I can truthfully say I do not want anyone to suffer eternal torment. At the same time, I do also know those who go that horrid way will have chosen evil over goodness long before sentences are passed. I choose the Love that is our Father, as do all who call upon the name, Yeshua, in Spirit and Truth. Continually I have to remind people here that when I say I am Jew, I refer to the meaning of the root, Praiser of Yahweh (God). In this regard, whether people call themselves by whatever denomination, if they love Yahweh, they certainly are the definition of Judah, a praiser of Yah, and there is no sin in this, nor can there be any error in this understanding. It is simply the full translation of Jew, from its root Judah. Actually Judah is not the root but it stems from the same root word group.

I and all Gentiles have been grafted into the vine (in Christ) by grace through faith and the work of the cross. Today, the cross is still a major stumbling block to the Jews. I am as proud of being a Gentile as any are proud of being a Jew. I am just as chosen and just as elect as any of the Jews and I am just as precious as any redeemed sinner in the sight of God. I, as a Gentile, have all the better promises of God with nothing left out concerning the things of God. I have a place in the new Jerusalem prepared for me and will reign with Christ in that place. The tree of life is made available to all believers who have trusted Christ and have not added to or taken away from the prophecy of this book.

I am not proud of being anything other than being saved by Yeshua, God Almighty. How can I be proud of something I have no control over other than my having repented and received Yeshua into my heart and soul? If there is any pride here it is pride of my God, Yahweh, for creating you and me and all who love His Only Begotten Son, Yeshua, in spirit and truth. When it seems I have accomplished something I know, it is Yahweh working through me, and I well up with pride of Him. He is so good, so very good to us all, amen.

I am glad to be born a Gentile and to be called by God's grace as a Gentile and to have the Lord indwell me through his Spirit and the incorruptible seed of His word. My inheritance falls short of nothing less then the inheritance of our Lord Jesus Christ for we are heirs with Christ and as He is so are we in this present world.

And I wonder why the good Lord bothered to create something as meaningless as I, and I realize He created all things in Love, and that it is that He loves even me, and I am so proud of my Maker I could burst. It is incumbent on all of us to share this love with all. I really do not care what people call Yeshua, as long as they love Him. I love Him so much, and if calling Him Yeshua truly bothers others, it is not of the Holy Spirit nor is it of love, because that is simply my way, which He has given me, to relate to Him. I could never be Jewish because that too is a bundle of denominations, but I do belong to the gathered flocks of the Good Shepherd. I know His voice, and this is why when I heard it, I came to Him. He is truly wonderful, amen.

Red33 · Sep 6, 2012

JaumeJ said:

If you only spoke the Hebrew tongue and you were testifying of the gospel to an English speaking Gentile, and you used the name YHWH and Yeshua, how would your interpretor translate those two names to this English speaking Gentile? Wouldn't your interpretor use the name of 'God' and 'Jesus' to do so? I think he would and it would be the right way to translate it. When you are speaking to another Jew of your own tongue then YHWH and Yeshua is fine. But you can honor God and communicate to the Gentiles the gospel and never see the name or power of God diminished in any way. You can do the same on this site, because most here are Gentiles, and if any that come here are not saved, they will need to hear the name of Jesus and call upon that name for salvation.

Using the name Jesus is understood both by Jews and by Gentiles for salvation, for the shed blood, for baptism and for our Lord and Saviour. Why not humble yourself for Christ's sake and for the sake of the gospel and use the name of Jesus (the Son) and the name of the Father and the name of the Holy Spirit to communicate with the Gentiles. I believe that God would honor what you communicate even more if you made that transition. You have made a thorough explanation of your background in coming to use the name of YHWH and Yeshua, so you don't have to go there again. I am asking you in the grace of God to use the name of 'Jesus' on this site when you are speaking English to communicate with others, who are mostly Gentiles and speak only English as their primary language. and how you speak with your fellow Jews is up to you. Become a Gentile when speaking to the Gentiles and use the name that they understand and refer to when speaking of the cross, the gospel and the Lamb who took away the sins of the world. Mary may have called Him Yeshua but the gentiles call Him JESUS. (Mt 1:21).

JaumeJ · Sep 6, 2012

Red33 said:

If you only spoke the Hebrew tongue and you were testifying of the gospel to an English speaking Gentile, and you used the name YHWH and Yeshua, how would your interpretor translate those two names to this English speaking Gentile? Wouldn't your interpretor use the name of 'God' and 'Jesus' to do so? I think he would and it would be the right way to translate it. When you are speaking to another Jew of your own tongue then YHWH and Yeshua is fine. But you can honor God and communicate to the Gentiles the gospel and never see the name or power of God diminished in any way. You can do the same on this site, because most here are Gentiles, and if any that come here are not saved, they will need to hear the name of Jesus and call upon that name for salvation.
The appellation, Yahweh, is a temporary appellation. It means "I am," but not as we use it, it means "I actively cause myself to be, to exist," and nothing but the Maker of all that is can make this claim. So, to keep it simple, we could call Him, I Am. The word, god, is simply a generic term that has come to mean I Am when capitalized. As for Yeshua, It would be, as close as possible from my studies, Help From I Am, or Salvation from I Am. The two appellations, Jesus and Yeshua have actually come to mean very little in that they are both simply "names" but not translations. Jesus is from the Greek translateration from the Hebrew, while Yeshua is directly transliterated from the Hebrew. Both are simply sounding out the sounds from a second language with a second alphabet. I have asked before if those who do not like my using Yeshua would prefer my calling Him, Salvation from I am. No response. I like Yeshua simply because this is the name He would hear others calling Him when He walked on His creation. There is no more wrong calling Him Yeshua as there is Jesus, as long as the calling is with the reverence we all know He merits.
Keep in mind there was a time when people FIRST heard of Yeshua, and it is only traditions, harmless usually, that have changed the custom to calling Yeshua, Jesus. After all Jesus is not English, it is from the Greek.
As for anyone being upset because a person uses Yeshua is kind of silly. I mean, I love to think I am repeating the name the apostles and first believers and family of Yeshua used; it makes me feel close. Now, I feel just as close to family in Yeshua who call Him Jesus, but sometimes they get me a little mystified when they think this preference is some kind of blasphemy. It is the name He went by. That is it.
Using the name Jesus is understood both by Jews and by Gentiles for salvation, for the shed blood, for baptism and for our Lord and Saviour. Why not humble yourself for Christ's sake and for the sake of the gospel and use the name of Jesus (the Son) and the name of the Father and the name of the Holy Spirit to communicate with the Gentiles. I believe that God would honor what you communicate even more if you made that transition. You have made a thorough explanation of your background in coming to use the name of YHWH and Yeshua, so you don't have to go there again. I am asking you in the grace of God to use the name of 'Jesus' on this site when you are speaking English to communicate with others, who are mostly Gentiles and speak only English as their primary language. and how you speak with your fellow Jews is up to you. Become a Gentile when speaking to the Gentiles and use the name that they understand and refer to when speaking of the cross, the gospel and the Lamb who took away the sins of the world. Mary may have called Him Yeshua but the gentiles call Him JESUS. (Mt 1:21).

If it will stimulate others to study all of the Word by calling Yeshua by this name, I will. I know the Greek name does not. People do not realize that Yeshua, Jesus, permeates the Word from Genesis to Malachi, in the laws, in the so-called writings, and in the prophets. The more people see Him in the Torah(teachings) and in the rest of what is called the Old Testament, the more intimate they become with Yeshua, Jesus, in the New Testament, after all they are one Book, they are not two books. People have been satisfied with denominational tangents for too many centuries now, it is time they read for themselves, and come to agreement in the Holy Spirit. The Book is there for all, and there are mysteries just for each individual to be revealed. It is lazy to depend on the rants of religious leaders purporting to know the only way when God, Yahweh, is there to teach each of us. No, this would not lead to chaos, it leads to one spirit and one God, Yahweh, also known and the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, amen.

Red33 · Sep 6, 2012

JaumeJ said:

How many of your Jewish friends or acquaintances who are unbelievers would be offended if you used the name of Jesus in reference to the Messiah that has already come but was rejected by the Jews? If you used the name 'Yeshua' would they understand that that name is making the one called by that name equal with God and reject it likewise? Can you be truthful and tell me that Jewish believers have the same respect for the name of Jesus the Christ as they do for Yeshua? They don't because the name of Jesus the Christ has a stigma attached to it that they do not want to associate with just like the name 'Christian' or 'Christianity'. For any Jewish believer not wanting to be associated with or even being called a Christian is a lack of royal love and the result is that they refuse the conviction of the Spirit and to identify with Christ and His redeemed people that were first called 'Christians' in (Acts 11;26, 26:28, 1Pt 4:6) as a follower of Christ. I know that you have Jewish friends who are believers and are ashamed and even insulted to be called a 'Christian'. Don't you deny it because it is true. Is it true with you as well?

JaumeJ · Sep 6, 2012

Red33 said:

At present I have no one, but this was to be expected, since I was told there would be no trees on the dark mountain road I was to have and, I suppose, have taken (1968). I do not mind. It is better to please Yahweh, God, than to please man. However the Jews I have known never minded at all, not at the University, not in Israel, not in the Rockies, no where. The only people who seem to get upset if I call Jesus by His Hebrew name are certain who claim to love Him by the name Jesus. I find this insurmountably confusing since Jesus walked the earth as a Jew. Go figure.

Perhaps much of this stems from my prayer when I was heart-broken and desperate, and I did not know Yahweh at all. Locking myself in a room I shook my puny fist in the air and cried, "You are who you are, and prayed from there, though I thought I was simply talking. I Am answered me, and the following day, though I knew nothing of it, the Holy Spirit entered into me. I told a Jewish friend when he asked me what was wrong, "God's Spirit came into me, your God, Yahweh." I called Yeshua, Jesus, for decades after this event, but there is not a thing wrong with my calling Him by Yeshua, not a thing. No, I have no present Jewish friends who are in contact with me.

Red33 · Sep 6, 2012

JaumeJ said:

You have associated with some Jewish believers on this site that you considered to be your brothers and sisters in Yeshua and have had contact with them on this site. The term Christian means a follower of Christ, if you are a follower of Christ then you are a Christian. Do you take offense to being called a Christian and if persecution came to Christians, would you identify with other believers who are and consider themselves Christians?

JaumeJ · Sep 6, 2012

Red33 said:

I have never intimated I am offended by being called a Christian, but I am not affiliated with anything other than the Kingdom of Yahweh, with Yeshua, Jesus, as my King. Yes, I associate with all and any in this forum who truly are of Jesus, Yeshua, because He is the Savior of all who come to Him repenting of the creation in favor of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. How else could we fellowship if we still have vestiges of adhering to the creation (creature)? I wonder just how many of the millions who claim to believe our Savior will remain when the true persecution begins. I do not think there will be any difference in one who calls Him Jesus and one who calls Him Yeshua. The falling away has already occurred, however the perception will not be keen until that persecution begins. All who love the Messiah are one in spirit, whether they know it or not. Many individuals in many denominations look about and wonder why there are so many members of their affiliation who do not seem to share the joy and intimacy with the Lord as they, and one day, probably come the persecution, all of them will come out of the Great Whore, and out of her daughters. Jesus is not a member of any denomination, but many are members of His Holy Body on earth. All has been being placed into position, mostly by man himself, since Yeshua, Jesus, ascended. He is so good always, amen. (As is our Maker, we must be all things to all people without compromising our faith, hope and love of Yeshua, Jesus.)

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