Who is the Nephilim?

[garee]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

My two cents...

The angel creation is not subject to salvation. They are spirits that have no dna .They cannot multiply by having a sexual union. It is reserved for men, made in the image of God.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The sons God or children of light of are those who follow after the Spirit of God, walking by faith the unseen) . This would include born again men who have been given a new spirit as a new creature as well as the angels that did not leave their first place of habitation.

The son of God would be the believer. The daughters of men those who do not know Christ.

That portion of scripture is simply teaching us to not be unevenly yoked with non-believers.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are “led by the Spirit of God”, they are the sons of God.

 

[oldhermit]

Job 38,
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The sons of God here is a reference to all created beings, angels, cheribums(even Lucifer), etc. at the creation of the universe.

Job 38:4-6 is the one text that might possibly imply angels but not conclusively so. Every other place that I can think of where this term is used it seems to always be linked to man. We have no more right here to assign its definition to angels than we do to assign it to man. The only thing we have to go on is how this term is used elsewhere and scripture where to subject is clearly defined.

 

[Ahwatukee]

They are spirits that have no dna .They cannot multiply by having a sexual union. It is reserved for men, made in the image of God.[/qutoe]

The fact is that scripture supports that "the son's of God" is referring to heavenly beings. Enoch also supports that the angels, the son's of God, took wives from the progeny of men.

 

[oldhermit]

Job 1:6, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

How can man present themselves before God? It's not possible for no one has seen God and lives and this is not some spiritual reference to a sacrifice. I take this literally. Satan literally came up before God to accuse man of turning against God.

The presentation of one's self before God is precisely what those in the Levitical system did who brought their sacrifices to the altar. God told them that when they brought their gifts to the altar he would meet them their and bless them and forgive their sins. This is indicative of an act of worship. There is no reason that this is not simply referring to the worshipers of God - sons of God who lived in the time of Job. It seems rather obvious that Job is one of these and God points him out to Satan and asks have you considered my servant Job? Would this not seem to better fit the context?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The presentation of one's self before God is precisely what those in the Levitical system did who brought their sacrifices to the altar. God told them that when they brought their gifts to the altar he would meet them their and bless them and forgive their sins. This is indicative of an act of worship. There is no reason that this is not simply referring to the worshipers of God - sons of God who lived in the time of Job. It seems rather obvious that Job is one of these and God points him out to Satan and asks have you considered my servant Job? Would this not seem to better fit the context?

Oldhermit,

You're ignoring the context! It states that "Satan came with them" i.e. in God's direct presence.

 

[garee]

They are spirits that have no dna .They cannot multiply by having a sexual union. It is reserved for men, made in the image of God.[/qutoe]

The fact is that scripture supports that "the son's of God" is referring to heavenly beings. Enoch also supports that the angels, the son's of God, took wives from the progeny of men.

Sons of God represent both kinds of creations . (1) The angels (2/3) that did not leave their first place of habitation as those who are led by the Spirit of God with the born again believer as those who are led by the Spirit of God .

(2) Those angels who followed after Satan (1/3) led by the spirit of error . not led by the spirit of God the antichrist,
satan.

Again I suggest it simply teaches us not to be unevenly yoked with those who have no faith coming from Christ the author and perfecter of his faith that works in us to lead us toward himself.

 

[John146]

They are spirits that have no dna .They cannot multiply by having a sexual union. It is reserved for men, made in the image of God.[/qutoe]

The fact is that scripture supports that "the son's of God" is referring to heavenly beings. Enoch also supports that the angels, the son's of God, took wives from the progeny of men.

Yep, and since God created all the angels as male, there would be no multiplying among themselves. But they could pervert the daughters of men by procreating with them. This would eventually cause an entire corruption of the human race except for Noah and his sons. Why did God spare Noah..."9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."

Noah's generations were perfectly kept, away from the corruption of man's seed. Noah's sons were also kept perfect because they were begotten of Noah.

 

[garee]

Oldhermit,

You're ignoring the context! It states that "Satan came with them" i.e. in God's direct presence.

Again what would they who have no dna do with those who do have dna other than deceive them by making the gospel without effect ?

I would think they can create drama, even alien space ships, where none is needed.



Romans 8:14 For as many as are "led by the Spirit of God", they are the sons of God.

 

[garee]

Yep, and since God created all the angels as male, there would be no multiplying among themselves. But they could pervert the daughters of men by procreating with them. This would eventually cause an entire corruption of the human race except for Noah and his sons. Why did God spare Noah..."9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."

Noah's generations were perfectly kept, away from the corruption of man's seed. Noah's sons were also kept perfect because they were begotten of Noah.

Angels cannot procreate.They are not subject to salvation.

Angels are neither male or female . They are likened to the new incorruptible bodies we will receive, no multiplying, no need for gender or race, neither Jew nor Gentile... but a new creation.. Not a rebuilt one.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[John146]

Angels cannot procreate.They are not subject to salvation.

Scripture please stating they cannot procreate...

 

[oldhermit]

Oldhermit, You're ignoring the context! It states that "Satan came with them" i.e. in God's direct presence.

If this is a worship scenario the presence of God is among his worshipers (See the examples of the offering of sacrifices in Exodus 25:22 "There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.") Here, God's presence was among his people at the altar. This is an earth bound experience. Clearly, Satan is also present in Gen 6. This does not necessitate that this is taking place in heaven. That is an unwarranted conjecture.

 

[Adstar]

The Nephilim are also known as Anakim / sons of Anak these are the offspring from the union of Angels who left their first estate in Genesis 6, these angels are called sons of God..

Genesis 6:
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 ¶There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.



These hybrid people are called Giants also.. In the book of Job we read again the reference to the Angels as sons of God..

Job 2:
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


The angels who did this where cast into hell and they are bound and will be judged on the day of Judgement..
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not theirfirst estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

But the Bible also says that this happened a second time: because if you read genesis 6 verse 4 carefully you will see it..

Genesis 6: 4 ¶There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

We read that in the land of Canaan when the Hebrews where freed out of slavery of Egypt and entered into Canaan that there where Giants in the Land. The most famous of which was called Goliath.. This is where the term Anakim comes from as we read..

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

So even after the flood some Angels must have again had relations with the daughters of men.. God used the Hebrews to destroy these giants as he used the great flood to rid the earth of them in Genesis.. As i said earlier there where mot sons of Anak then just Goliath whom David killed..

Joshua 15:14 And Caleb drove thence the three sons of Anak, Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak.

And Goliath had brothers..

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare–oregim, a Beth–lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

 

[John146]

If this is a worship scenario the presence of God is among his worshipers (See the examples of the offering of sacrifices in Exodus 25:22 "There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.") Here, God's presence was among his people at the altar. This is an earth bound experience. Clearly, Satan is also present in Gen 6. This does not necessitate that this is taking place in heaven. That is an unwarranted conjecture.

Can you explain why these offspring in Genesis 6 produced a giant race of people? Goliath and his sons?

 

[oldhermit]

Can you explain why these offspring in Genesis 6 produced a giant race of people? Goliath and his sons?

Sure. It is called physical genetics.

 

[John146]

The Nephilim are also known as Anakim / sons of Anak these are the offspring from the union of Angels who left their first estate in Genesis 6, these angels are called sons of God..

Genesis 6:
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 ¶There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.



These hybrid people are called Giants also.. In the book of Job we read again the reference to the Angels as sons of God..

Job 2:
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


The angels who did this where cast into hell and they are bound and will be judged on the day of Judgement..
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not theirfirst estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

But the Bible also says that this happened a second time: because if you read genesis 6 verse 4 carefully you will see it..

Genesis 6: 4 ¶There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

We read that in the land of Canaan when the Hebrews where freed out of slavery of Egypt and entered into Canaan that there where Giants in the Land. The most famous of which was called Goliath.. This is where the term Anakim comes from as we read..

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

So even after the flood some Angels must have again had relations with the daughters of men.. God used the Hebrews to destroy these giants as he used the great flood to rid the earth of them in Genesis.. As i said earlier there where mot sons of Anak then just Goliath whom David killed..

Joshua 15:14 And Caleb drove thence the three sons of Anak, Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak.

And Goliath had brothers..

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare–oregim, a Beth–lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Yep, and in the end times, these giants will make another appearance as the iron mixes with miry clay.

Daniel 2:43, "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

Interesting that in the last days, Satan will once again pervert man's seed to raise up giants to side with his anti-christ. Notice they are not looking to cleave with man, just pervert him for Satan's purpose. People have been conditioned to love a good super hero, men of renown.

 

[garee]

Scripture please stating they cannot procreate...

Hi, thanks for the reply

I would think there are plenty of verses to support my private interpretation as an opinion.

The commandment to be fruitful and multiply is only in respect to those who he qualified to do so. This shows us alone, not the angels or the animals who were not created in His image.

Marriage was created to multiply, period.

Hard to see that today. Makes me wonder when he does come will he find faith or no gender distinction.... to destroy the faith of Christ which come from hearing God. .

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her .Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Mat 22:28

And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Luke 20:34

Fallen angels are not subject to salvation they cannot commit adultery and put their hope in the gospel to be created anew with new bodies.

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. Hebrews 2:5

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Luke 16:18

Again the passages in respect to those giants used to represent unbelievers like Goliath ( no faith in Christ) is simply informing us not to be unevenly yoked.

Scripture please stating they can procreate?

 

[John146]

Hi, thanks for the reply

I would think there are plenty of verses to support my private interpretation as an opinion.

The commandment to be fruitful and multiply is only in respect to those who he qualified to do so. This shows us alone, not the angels or the animals who were not created in His image.

Genesis 1, 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

 

[Adstar]

Yep, and in the end times, these giants will make another appearance as the iron mixes with miry clay.

Daniel 2:43, "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

Interesting that in the last days, Satan will once again pervert man's seed to raise up giants to side with his anti-christ. Notice they are not looking to cleave with man, just pervert him for Satan's purpose. People have been conditioned to love a good super hero, men of renown.

Yes i was going to put that verse in my post but i thought well maybe it is going a bit far.. But anyway the prophecy of Daniel says that they will in fact fail to successfully interbreed.. Because it says:: """"but they shall not cleave one to another"""" The Iron represents the angels and the Clay is us..

 

[John146]

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her .Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Mat 22:28

And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Luke 20:34

Yes, "as" the angels of God. Since the angels were created male, they cannot multiply on their own. In the resurrection, we will be the same.

 

[John146]

Yes i was going to put that verse in my post but i thought well maybe it is going a bit far.. But anyway the prophecy of Daniel says that they will in fact fail to successfully interbreed.. Because it says:: """"but they shall not cleave one to another"""" The Iron represents the angels and the Clay is us..

That's good stuff brother.