Who is the Nephilim?

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garee said:


Yes Strongs defines them as a as an old tribe of giants like the Watussi in Africa today. .
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Sons of God represent those who are led by the spirit of God . Not the spirit of rebellion by the fallen angels . Daughters of men in respect to the seed of men represent unbelievers. When they mingled with believers they produce really tall men .
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In that passage sons of God cannot be interpreted as any man or woman at that time. Man can only be a son of God by being born again through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is not possible for these to be born again.
 
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Here is the issue with Gen 6. Since the text does not specifically tell us that those 'sons of God' are angels we are left with no alternative but to apply an interpretation to the 'sons of God' so, the question is what interpretation do we assign to the meaning of this term? If we assign angelic beings to this term then we must then find where scripture itself assigns such a definition to this term. We see repeated passages where 'sons of God' is used to describe men as the subject but there is not one text that ever defines angels in this way. The only possible passage that may indicate that this refers to angels is Job 38:6-7 but even this is inconclusive. Scripture must ALWAYS be allowed to define its own use of language.
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I'm sorry, but men were not around when the foundations of the earth were created and all the glory of the universe.
 
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Here is the issue with Gen 6. Since the text does not specifically tell us that those 'sons of God' are angels we are left with no alternative but to apply an interpretation to the 'sons of God' so, the question is what interpretation do we assign to the meaning of this term? If we assign angelic beings to this term then we must then find where scripture itself assigns such a definition to this term. We see repeated passages where 'sons of God' is used to describe men as the subject but there is not one text that ever defines angels in this way. The only possible passage that may indicate that this refers to angels is Job 38:6-7 but even this is inconclusive. Scripture must ALWAYS be allowed to define its own use of language.
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where is the bible passage that specificity tells us 'sons of God' are men and not angels?

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God

so the peacemakers who are men, are gonna be blessed and become elevated to the status of men?
 
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where is the bible passage that specificity tells us 'sons of God' are men and not angels?

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God

so the peacemakers who are men, are gonna be blessed and become elevated to the status of men?
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Rom. 8:14, "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
Gal 3:26, "For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith."
Mat. 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
 
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I'm sorry, but men were not around when the foundations of the earth were created and all the glory of the universe.
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As I said, I do think this is a possible reference to angels. I can see not other possibility.
 
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Rom. 8:14, "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
Gal 3:26, "For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith."
Mat. 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
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so being led by the spirit, in Christ and blessed by Christ means we are no different, no better than common men. ok makes sense now.
 
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And some of these offspring had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.

2 Samuel 21:20, "And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant."
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You read the story of Goliath and you will see it is packed with the number 6.. Pointing to the number 666 a foreshadowing of the number of the beast..

 
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""""Angels that left there first place of habitation (not earth) do not have any form. They need a form to seduce man .""""
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I do not see anywhere in the Bible that says this.. Indeed the Bible makes it clear that Angels did and do take on physical form and interact with people..

Hebrews 13: KJV
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

You need to also read Genesis chapter 18 and 19.. The LORD came to visit Abraham and his wife Sarah with two Angels and Sarah prepared them food which they ate.. Also in chapter 19 these two angels went to Sodom to give Lot warning to flee Sodom and during that time they physically pulled Lot back into his house and they closed the door and smote the crowd of sodomites blind who wanted to defile the Angels..
 
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:whistle: thats a nice movie
though killing a flesh is not on our list
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Jeremias: 19. 4. Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

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godbless us all always
 
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You read the story of Goliath and you will see it is packed with the number 6.. Pointing to the number 666 a foreshadowing of the number of the beast..
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Interesting, will do
 
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As I said, I do think this is a possible reference to angels. I can see not other possibility.
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Lk 3:38, ....." was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

These were men who were descended from Adam.

Adam was "perfect" because he was in God's presence in the garden.

After they left the garden, Adam's descendants fell further away from God.

Gen 4:26, ..."then began men to call upon the name of the Lord."

But because Adam was a "human soul" (in a covenant relationship with God) and had been in the presence of God (Ex 34:33), his influence on the surrounding tribes was significant.

Cain, Gen 4:12-18, His insight, knowledge of God, and genetic material, mixed with the "almost human souls" (not in the covenant or had been in God's presence).

So Cain "raised up" the people he lived with, but "diluted" the effects of God's influence on his descendants.

These men were probably bred to be the size that they were.
 
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jaybird88 said:
where is the bible passage that specificity tells us 'sons of God' are men and not angels?

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God

so the peacemakers who are men, are gonna be blessed and become elevated to the status of men?
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Its both converted man and the angels that did not leave their first place of habitation. Sons of God , both the angels who did not leave their first place of habitation with born again believers are those who follow after the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The privilege to call Him Abba Father is reserved for the creation (us ) that are subject to salvation . Angels were not created in his image and likeness and therefore not subject to salvation.



Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
 
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I do not see anywhere in the Bible that says this.. Indeed the Bible makes it clear that Angels did and do take on physical form and interact with people..
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Neither the angels who left their first place of habitation or the ones that remained faithful have no authority to take on form . If that was the case the father of lies would of performed that in the garden .

They put their words as lies in the mouth of whatever is in view as having form(dna) as lying spirits. But angels have no form and no authority to take on the form of any creatures. It why the serpent is called the father of lies having the ability to put his thoughts as words in that which does have form. It is his MO. He is mimicker not a shape shifter.(science fiction)

God showed Satan's MO by putting His words on the lips of Balaam’s Ass, in order to restrain the madness of that false prophet.

Again angels have no DNA.

Hebrews 13: KJV
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
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The angels there is messengers, this would include apostles, as sent ones. It could be anyone he sends. It’s not talking about sitting down with angels and having a conversation with one who have no form in that case.

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ou need to also read Genesis chapter 18 and 19.. The LORD came to visit Abraham and his wife Sarah with two Angels and Sarah prepared them food which they ate..
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The Lord was a theophany as an outward vision. But those with him were described as men. God puts a distinction between men in angels that have no form . Men one creation (dna) cannot be angels(no dna) another creation.

Those men just like men in other places because they are messengers they are referred to as angels. The word itself is left open for the context to what kind, seen or not seen .

Strongs lexicon...32 aggelos {ang'-el-os}from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf 34] (to bring tidings); TDNT - 1:74,12; n m
AV - angel 179, messenger 7; 186
1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God
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Easton's bible dictionary.... It is used of an ordinary messenger (Job1:14: 1 Sam. 11:3; Luke 7:24; 9:52), of prophets (Isa. 42:19;Hag. 1:13), of priests (Mal. 2:7), and ministers of the NewTestament (Rev. 1:20).
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It is also applied to such impersonal agents as the pestilence(2 Sam. 24:16, 17; 2 Kings 19:35), the wind (Ps. 104:4).
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Also in chapter 19 these two angels went to Sodom to give Lot warning to flee Sodom and during that time they physically pulled Lot back into his house and they closed the door and smote the crowd of sodomites blind who wanted to defile the Angels.
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Yes men sent as messengers. Angels have no form they have no hands to work

Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
 
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Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.
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the book of watchers in enoch has the story of the Nephilim. some don't accept it, I find that it fits well and jude says of enoch prophesying quoting from the actual book of enoch manuscript. has a lot of information in it and there is nothing in it to be afraid of, nothing that contradicts anything in the bible......
 
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the book of watchers in enoch has the story of the Nephilim. some don't accept it, I find that it fits well and jude says of enoch prophesying quoting from the actual book of enoch manuscript. has a lot of information in it and there is nothing in it to be afraid of, nothing that contradicts anything in the bible......
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Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch. http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html
 
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Neither the angels who left their first place of habitation or the ones that remained faithful have no authority to take on form . If that was the case the father of lies would of performed that in the garden .
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the angels that visited lot had form.
 
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