Who killed Jesus?
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A valid question,my belief is that "All" who were there at Jesus's crucifixion and said nothing or even had part in his death are guilty of his death,the jews are primarily known for their part but every single person that was there at his crucifixion and did nothing t o stop his crucifixion were guilty and consenting to his death,for remember Jesus even told the young ruler to pick up a cross and follow him for he wanted to know how he could do right and be saved,but Jesus's words stung him for he had many great things and Jesus said for him to sell to the poor and follow him unto the cross,so all who would not speak for him were consenting and followed not him even peter who declared that he would follow Jesus unto death yet he did not,so the bigger picture is that all who did not speak up during Jesus's trial and all who did not try to stop his crucifixion were guilty of his death even pilate whom acted as if he was blameless actually washing his hands as if he had no part in his death but he too was guilty,whether Jew,Gentile or otherwise all who watched and did nothing are guilty of his death,so thus through those blood lines his blood is upon us and we can either accept him as saviour and accept that his blood is upon us or deny him and have no hope of salvation.
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Jesus answers this question.....no man takes my life but I lay it down. Do you really think that man can kill God?
In truth his love for the father and for us placed him on that cross. He endured the most horrible beating in history. No one could survive what he went through before the cross let alone be sent to the cross.
Repeating over and over the plea for the father to forgive them. Yes our king (as the Greek language suggest) asked forgiveness throughout the torment. Not just the one time on the cross. But then in a moment of stillness having accomplished all things the father sent him to do he dismissed his spirit. ..... Father into your hands I commend my spirit.
Jesus being the way the truth and the life. Had power to lay it down and to pick it up again. Remember pilate was amazed that he was dead already. Personally I'm amazed he made it to the cross but then again love endures all things.
In truth his love for the father and for us placed him on that cross. He endured the most horrible beating in history. No one could survive what he went through before the cross let alone be sent to the cross.
Repeating over and over the plea for the father to forgive them. Yes our king (as the Greek language suggest) asked forgiveness throughout the torment. Not just the one time on the cross. But then in a moment of stillness having accomplished all things the father sent him to do he dismissed his spirit. ..... Father into your hands I commend my spirit.
Jesus being the way the truth and the life. Had power to lay it down and to pick it up again. Remember pilate was amazed that he was dead already. Personally I'm amazed he made it to the cross but then again love endures all things.
It is obvious that you don't understand what happened to those who defied the Roman soldiers. They would have been killed outright by the soldiers. They were the finest fighting men of that era. When Jesus was buried they placed a double guard on the tomb. A guard consisted of 8 men. 4 on duty while the other 4 rested but were available if needed. There was probably one or more guards on duty at the crucifixion. 8 or 16 Roman soldiers would have wiped out any interference with the crucifixion.
There is a mistranslantion of the sentence you are quoting. A messianic Jew who understands the Biblical languages stated that quote came from the Psalms. In Hebrew the proper word is deposit my soul. Commit is one direction but deposit implies getting it back later. Like you deposit money in a bank and later get a it out. Christ 3 days later retrieved back his deposit.
Maybe the guard consisted of the Roman soldiers who were at the baptism of John beyond Jordan?
14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luke 3
14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luke 3
Whatever it means, and Hebrew words are not as exact as that, while His body went into the grave, He in His spirit was taken up alive into Heaven, for on that very day He would meet the dying thief in Paradise. Then on the third day His body would be resurrected, and be joined with His spirit which was alive in the Father's presence.
John 10:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Yes, the Jews crucified Him but not without Him allowing that to happen so in truth, no one really did take away His life.
They tried several times before to end His life...
John 8:[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?[SUP] 58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 10:[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?[SUP] 33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[SUP] 35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
There was another incident where the people were of one consent to throw Jesus down a steep hill or cliff or ravine, or something that would have killed Him, but He walked through them untouched and escaped.
Anyway, there are 2 examples to see how Jesus actually gave His life as a ransom for many and that no one really took it away from Him. He just allowed the Jews to crucify Him, but it was our sins He took on the cross; not just theirs. Indeed, He prayed to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do.
Luke 23:[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
So they may be to be blamed but Jesus would have us forgive them too, and so we are to acknowledge what they have done, but that does not mean we are not to forgive them since Jesus did as He was allowing that to happen to give His life as a ransom for many.
Yes, the Jews crucified Him but not without Him allowing that to happen so in truth, no one really did take away His life.
They tried several times before to end His life...
John 8:[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?[SUP] 58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 10:[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?[SUP] 33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[SUP] 35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
There was another incident where the people were of one consent to throw Jesus down a steep hill or cliff or ravine, or something that would have killed Him, but He walked through them untouched and escaped.
Anyway, there are 2 examples to see how Jesus actually gave His life as a ransom for many and that no one really took it away from Him. He just allowed the Jews to crucify Him, but it was our sins He took on the cross; not just theirs. Indeed, He prayed to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do.
Luke 23:[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
So they may be to be blamed but Jesus would have us forgive them too, and so we are to acknowledge what they have done, but that does not mean we are not to forgive them since Jesus did as He was allowing that to happen to give His life as a ransom for many.
But there were only eight. If the Jews had united to oppose them they would have been overwhelmed. Instead they watched Him die,
However the Jews who had asked for Him to be crucified were those who accompanied Him. By the time the Palestinian Jews knew what had happened He was already crucified.
It must be recognised that He was tried early in the morning. The only Jews present would be Jerusalem Jews and those who had come to plead for Barabbas, who had reason to be there. The Palestinian Jews and others were in their camps outside the city walls, having breakfast and unaware of what had happened during the night. The men who shouted for His crucifixion were the former. They were a very different crowd from the one who had hailed Him.
So the guilt for His crucifixion lay on Jerusalem and the Zealots. The fact was that they were glad to see Him die. By the time the city gates were opened and news filtered outside He was already on the way to the cross.
The guards at the tomb were temple guards and not Roman soldiers, which was why they escaped punishment for sleeping. Roman soldiers wold instantly have been put to death,
However the Jews who had asked for Him to be crucified were those who accompanied Him. By the time the Palestinian Jews knew what had happened He was already crucified.
It must be recognised that He was tried early in the morning. The only Jews present would be Jerusalem Jews and those who had come to plead for Barabbas, who had reason to be there. The Palestinian Jews and others were in their camps outside the city walls, having breakfast and unaware of what had happened during the night. The men who shouted for His crucifixion were the former. They were a very different crowd from the one who had hailed Him.
So the guilt for His crucifixion lay on Jerusalem and the Zealots. The fact was that they were glad to see Him die. By the time the city gates were opened and news filtered outside He was already on the way to the cross.
The guards at the tomb were temple guards and not Roman soldiers, which was why they escaped punishment for sleeping. Roman soldiers wold instantly have been put to death,
I take it you are claiming to be an expert on Biblical Hebrew to make that claim. Compare your credentials to the person who I received this information from.
https://israelbiblicalstudies.com/teacher/eli-lizorkin-eyzenberg/
https://israelbiblicalstudies.com/teacher/eli-lizorkin-eyzenberg/
Incorrect. The Sanhedren requested from Pilate that a seal be placed on the stone sealing the tomb and Roman guards be placed there to protect that seal.
Who killed Jesus. The Roman soldiers under orders from Pilate who was blackmailed into it by the Sanhedren. This ignores the fact that Jesus came for the purpose of the crucifixion as the Lamb of God. He had the power to not be crucified if He chose. He is God incarnate. When the disciples asked to see the Father he replied "If you have seen me you have seen the Father. The Father and I are one."
Who killed Jesus. The Roman soldiers under orders from Pilate who was blackmailed into it by the Sanhedren. This ignores the fact that Jesus came for the purpose of the crucifixion as the Lamb of God. He had the power to not be crucified if He chose. He is God incarnate. When the disciples asked to see the Father he replied "If you have seen me you have seen the Father. The Father and I are one."
First there were Roman soldiers at the cross and crucified him under orders from Pilate who was blackmailed into it by the Sanhedren.
Second Roman soldiers were the fiercist warriors of the day and these were battle hardened soldiers. They would have cut through the civilians there like a knife through soft butter. The Zealots would only have slowed them down a bit.
Third you ignore that the Sanhedren asked Pilate to seal the tomb and place a double guard to protect the seal for several days.
Fourth the soldiers were not sleeping. They hey always had half on duty while the others rested but were available if needed. You need to study more about how things worked in Biblical times. There is a ton of information about how the Romans operated. A Roman Guard consisted if 8 men. Half on duty with the other half resting but ready if needed.
Nobody in their right mind would go against battle hardened Roman soldiers. That would be suicide. Zealots included as they found out later. They initially overwhelmed the soldiers but then the army came and anhilated them. Even if you win a victory you lost the war with that era Rome.
Spartacus found out the hard way. He and his men died on the cross when they chose to stay and fight after defeating one Roman army. They then had two armies to fight. One fought him directly and let him retire from the field. Then the other army would attack him in his camp. They wore his army down and forced them to surrender. The Romans only wanted to crucify Spartacus but all claimed to be him. The Romans accommodated them by crucifying all of them.
Second Roman soldiers were the fiercist warriors of the day and these were battle hardened soldiers. They would have cut through the civilians there like a knife through soft butter. The Zealots would only have slowed them down a bit.
Third you ignore that the Sanhedren asked Pilate to seal the tomb and place a double guard to protect the seal for several days.
Fourth the soldiers were not sleeping. They hey always had half on duty while the others rested but were available if needed. You need to study more about how things worked in Biblical times. There is a ton of information about how the Romans operated. A Roman Guard consisted if 8 men. Half on duty with the other half resting but ready if needed.
Nobody in their right mind would go against battle hardened Roman soldiers. That would be suicide. Zealots included as they found out later. They initially overwhelmed the soldiers but then the army came and anhilated them. Even if you win a victory you lost the war with that era Rome.
Spartacus found out the hard way. He and his men died on the cross when they chose to stay and fight after defeating one Roman army. They then had two armies to fight. One fought him directly and let him retire from the field. Then the other army would attack him in his camp. They wore his army down and forced them to surrender. The Romans only wanted to crucify Spartacus but all claimed to be him. The Romans accommodated them by crucifying all of them.
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