Who killed Jesus?

[Bladerunner]

the pharisee types and the roman judicial system, the pharisee types accused and the Romans actually carried it out.

NO...they did not kill Jesus, I did..... My sins killed him.

 

[Hizikyah]

the pharisee types and the roman judicial system, the pharisee types accused and the Romans actually carried it out.

He definilty offered up Himself, however the act still had to be carried out by an outside party that wanted to and was willing to ACTUALLY and literally kill Him.

According to the will of the Heavenly Father
Jesus went willingly
Roman soldiers carried it out
Roman leadership ordered it to satisfy the Jews
Jewish religious leadership plotted it and pushed for it
ALL are guilty because it was for the sins of the whole world

This. This here. Thats it.

If we didnt have sin this would not have had to happen...

NO...they did not kill Jesus, I did..... My sins killed him.

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[oldethennew]

it's a very hard thing to conceive, but no, we really didn't kill Him'
He 'sacrificed Himself for us, long before we even knew what He would do,
or have any idea of what His plans were, or of what we were doing to Him...

but, once He 'enlightens' us to exactly what He has really and actually done
for the likes of us, we have a great 'debt', of Love and Appreciation, Obedience,
that we can't help but to 'repay' in our humble thankfulness and everlasting gratitude,..
it's a 'super-natural-thing'...

 

[Endoscopy]

Jesus and God are the same being.
God knew the end from the begining.
Therefore when God set creation into being He knew the cross was going to happen but He did it anyway.

That makes us have a requirement to be eternally thankful for our existence. Accepting Jesus is an absolute requirement and blessing.

 

[notuptome]

On the cross Jesus bowed His head and gave up the ghost. Jesus by the determinate will of Almighty God commanded His Spirit to leave His body. Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sins.

Hard hearted men facilitated the will of God by placing Jesus on the cross of Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[IamWhoIam]

Jews would kill Jesus even without Romans (and tried it several times).

Romans would not kill Jesus without Jews pushing them, probably.

So even though both groups were involved, the authors of the New Testament are blaming primarily Jews. Their hate was the force behind it.

yes indeed, one account that comes to mind, is when the whole synagogue tried to throw Him off the cliff.

 

[Endoscopy]

yes indeed, one account that comes to mind, is when the whole synagogue tried to throw Him off the cliff.

Keep in mind that Pilate found nothing about Jesus being guilty of deserving any penalty. The Sanhedrin blackmailed him into executing him. He then had a bowl of water brought out and washed his hands saying it was on their heads. The Jews freely accepted that judgment. Pilate then ordered the execution with a plaque posted on the cross that the Jews were greatly upset about. It proclaimed Jesus was King of the Jews.

 

[Endoscopy]

Keep in mind that the sacrificial lamb had to be without blemish. Plilates finding reinforced this issue.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Keep in mind that Pilate found nothing about Jesus being guilty of deserving any penalty. The Sanhedrin blackmailed him into executing him. He then had a bowl of water brought out and washed his hands saying it was on their heads. The Jews freely accepted that judgment. Pilate then ordered the execution with a plaque posted on the cross that the Jews were greatly upset about. It proclaimed Jesus was King of the Jews.

And those written words, would make its way into scripture, so resultantly the first written words of the NT.

 

[jaybird88]

Keep in mind that Pilate found nothing about Jesus being guilty of deserving any penalty. The Sanhedrin blackmailed him into executing him. He then had a bowl of water brought out and washed his hands saying it was on their heads. The Jews freely accepted that judgment. Pilate then ordered the execution with a plaque posted on the cross that the Jews were greatly upset about. It proclaimed Jesus was King of the Jews.

who were those crowds that followed Jesus, that the pharisees feared when plotting the death of Jesus? where they not "the Jews"? those crowds must have been pretty big if the temple leadership feared them as temple leadership was very powerful.

 

[IamWhoIam]

There was two crowds

1.the crowd that followed Jesus,
2.the crowd that chanted crucify him,

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[SUP] 7[/SUP]But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 1 Cor. 2:7-9

The force behind it. . . .

 

[PennEd]

The stench of anti-semitism is overwhelming with the OP. Another back door attack on his hatred of those that take the Bible literally.

 

[jaybird88]

Judas was a disciple, he betrayed Jesus, yet we dont say the disciples betrayed Jesus. so how does a few pharisees turn into the Jewish people?

 

[IamWhoIam]

Judas was a disciple, he betrayed Jesus, yet we dont say the disciples betrayed Jesus. so how does a few pharisees turn into the Jewish people?

I wonder if judas was a Jew, was the crowd chanting crucify were they Jews or Gentiles probably a mixture.

 

[Locutus]

The stench of anti-semitism is overwhelming with the OP. Another back door attack on his hatred of those that take the Bible literally.

Another false claim made by those that oppose any who speak out against dispensational "theology".

 

[jaybird88]

I wonder if judas was a Jew, was the crowd chanting crucify were they Jews or Gentiles probably a mixture.

its always presented to us that Judea was the Jews, Jesus ministry was to the Jews. but we know there were greeks everywhere, most everyone was writing in greek at the time, there were greek cities. the greek influence started 300 years back when they were under the greek rule of Alexander. book of Maccabees explains a lot of this. but many disregard that book.

 

[Zmouth]

The eternal has no beginning nor end therefore if eternal he could not die, but neither does the eternal change in nature or form either which is the reason that the only begotten is referred unto as the King Eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God [See;1 Tim 1:17]

Nothing comes from the eternal but the eternal, For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; [John 5:26] However, once seperated from the eternal the law of truth defines it as having a beginning therefore no longer eternal. Hence the lamb that was slain from the foundation (beginning) of this universe.

While the only begotten did not die in the sense of physically ceasing to exist, yet his physical existence is the beginning of this world. Hence, I and the Father are one, invisible light.

 

[IamWhoIam]

its always presented to us that Judea was the Jews, Jesus ministry was to the Jews. but we know there were greeks everywhere, most everyone was writing in greek at the time, there were greek cities. the greek influence started 300 years back when they were under the greek rule of Alexander. book of Maccabees explains a lot of this. but many disregard that book.

Aramiac was part of the common Jews as well, Jesus and His deciples spoke as the common Jews mostly, most of what was written in the NT was more than likely spoken in Aramaic. this is known by the amount of Aramiac language that is stated in the NT and also some of the language is in the OT as well.

 

[Zmouth]

plotting the death of Jesus?

Can't speak for anyone but myself, yet though many false witnesses came they found none doesn't sound like they were plotting the death of Jesus, Remember one witness can not cause anyone to be put to death under the old covenant.

Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. Matt 26:59-60

* At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. Deut 17:6

At the last came two false witnesses(*),and said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Matt 26:61

So did the witnesses testify regarding John 2:18-21 or Mark 13:1-4?