WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

[Stephen63]

I am glad that there is a fight going on in you right now. That is what happens when grace(truth) come face to face with religion; but don't worry grace always wins! that is how confused i was also when i came face to face with the extravagance grace!! everything in me went wild; All i knew about the person and work of Christ was now being challenged, by the unconditional grace! i reacted just the same way you do now; if not worse if i could remember!

Wow..... it's always about grace, as if that's all it takes. So rarely I hear "without the shedding of blood, there's no remission".
It's by grace through faith..... all the way through until the grave or the rapture. Heb. 6 says we can't please God without faith (6:11).
But you say we're all born again, we just don't know it yet! What a universal crock of bull!

So tell me plainly..... are you a universalist? A simple yes or no, please.

 

[1ofthem]

"" some of them where undoubtedly faithless, but what then? Can you imagine that their faithlessness could disturb the faithfulness of God? of course not( Rom 3:3)""

I'm still not sure about what you are trying to get across here with this scripture. We know that God is God. It doesn't matter who believes or doesn't believe, God will still be God. The thing about it is though, it takes faith in Jesus and his sacrifice for any to be saved.

So yes, unbelief does not affect God, but unless the unbeliever hear the Word of God and be converted unto the faith, they will not be saved.

Romans 10:8-10
8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[miknik5]

Thank you for someone FINALLY posting Romans 10!

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

Originally Posted by Gr8grace

No, read through. She is saying we are born-again at reconciliation. I don't believe that.

But your in a conundrum. If salvation can be lost and it is loss of faith that causes loss of salvation.........your faith is your savior. No ifs,ands or buts about it.




Nonsense .....everyone is in a cult to you if you don't understand what they are saying or if it conflicts with your religious beliefs.

You are obviously not understanding what he is trying to tell you. He is trying to get across to you that it is the faith of Christ that actually saves us and what Christ has already done.

It is the work of Christ that has saved us. - Not "our" faith itself. The faith which is supplied by the hearing of Christ is what brings the experience of the truth of Christ's redemptive work on our behalf.

It's the truth of what Christ has already done that brings salvation to us because when we hear about Him - it brings faith to believe that Christ's completed work is true. It was true before you believed it. That is what he is trying to get across to you.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you w ere sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,


Doesn't it excite you to know that we are sealed forever with the Holy Spirit because of Christ's work, love and grace towards us?

Doesn't this truth make you fall in love with the Lord more and to get to know Him better - to understand such love and grace towards us?

The work of Christ is forever done. But..... I must repent of sin & believe in Christ to be "born again", saved. There's no change until then.
New Living Translation
For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
New American Standard Bible
for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Gee, it's right there on the internet, where you get all your other stuff. Why not read the scriptures instead of somebody's web page?

It is obvious again that you didn't read what was said. Read it again and it should be clear to you that we must receive what has already been done by Christ in order to experience it. Try to get the malice out of your thinking - it'll help you.

Now what about the two questions I asked you at the end? Don't you find the truth of Christ's great love and super-abounding grace for us exciting?

I will give it to you again.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,


Doesn't it excite you to know that we are sealed forever with the Holy Spirit because of Christ's work, love and grace towards us?

Doesn't this truth make you fall in love with the Lord more and to get to know Him better - to understand such love and grace towards us?

 

[Stephen63]

G777X70, you need to take a loooong look at these posts. ALL in her own words.....

No!! All are born again but not all are partakers! The new birth for all humanity took place at the resurrection of Christ from the death! "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again( born again) unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ fro the dead..(1 Pet 1:3)".

Are you in any way saying here that the day i confessed Christ( had faith in him) was the day i was translated from darkness into the kingdom of light? if this is so, then FAITH becomes my savior here.; it is thus my faith in Him that saved me and not Christ Himself.
whether you believe this or not; prior to my Faith in Him, Christ had already saved me at the cross 2000 yrs ago. i can't understand how you don't see it! I repeat, it is not faith in Christ that produces the work of the cross! Faith in Christ produces the EFFECT of a work done 2000 yrs ago. i rest my case here!!!

pls i never said all will be saved. there is a universal and a particular aspect of the gospel. Christ died for all and as all( universal) but each person must accept the gift of grace personally( particular). The sad thing here is that the church has reduced the universal aspect of the work of Christ to the particular aspect only; making it looks as if salvation depends on one's believing!

what does the term born again means, it is not because a word has been misused for long that it becomes normal. born again literally means a rebirth. the rebirth occurred at the Resurrection of Christ from the death( pls read 1 pet 1:3) and not the day when one accepts Christ as lord and savior!!! the gospel is called good news. and we know that news is an actuality. what do you tell someone who does not know Christ! don't u tell him that Christ died for his sins? when he accepts the work of Christ and confesses Him; is it at that moment that Christ died for him? is he not simply acknowledging something that has already been so?
accepting Christ as lord and savior upon hearing the gospel( that Christ died for for humanity 2000 yrs ago), is called conversion. its a conversion experience and not a born again experience!!

1. She says everybody is born again. Born again means SAVED. Then she says they don't know it yet & because of that they're not saved.
2. She says that anyone who believes their faith saves them is living in idolatry.
3. She says she was saved 2,000 years ago.
4. She says the whole church has changed the definition of salvation to mean one's salvation depends on one's believing! Nobody changed it..... it was always that way & it's true!
5. She says being born again & conversion are two different things.

Now, what are we gonna do with this? Say "that's not what she meant"?

heavenly_bound makes erroneous statements like this all the time, & she doesn't even know what she's talking about! It looks as though she's faking it! I've never heard such doctrine anywhere.

I'm not the confused one here..... she is.

 

[miknik5]

Bump so as to clarify many posts

 

[miknik5]

Are all baptized into CHRIST?
Have all passed from death to LIFE?
Do all have THE SON?
Do all hold to the TESTIMONY OF JESUS?
Do all have a part in the First Resurrection?
Do all believe The Gospel?
Is the Gospel preached for that purpose that men might hear the Gospel of their salvation and HAVING BELIEVED, all those who believe are baptized into His death and risen again in HIM reborn a NEW CREATION in Christ if HIS life giving SOIRIT?
Do those who do not believe have The Spirit?

 

[miknik5]

it was put back,( past tense) and not being put being put back. it was done when Christ died on the cross. he nailed the old man then and when he died, the old man( Adam and all that were in him and his fallen nature) died on the cross. And when Christ was rose from the death, the new creation of God was made.

note that Christ the sinless man did not need to die; Since the law states that any soul that sinneth must die, Christ the sinless one, by identifying with our sin nature, by becoming sin in our stead, had to die in other to fulfill sins demand which is death for every man that sins! The reason he died is bc he had picked up all sinful humanity who fell in Adam(the fallen race), and in order to pay for the penalty of sin( which is death) on behalf of the human race, had to died as them!!!

And when he rose from the the death, do you think he rose for himself alone? no!! when he rose from the death, we rose together with him, and when he ascended into heaven, we ascended together with him; and when he sad down at the right hand of majesty on high, we equally sad down together with him!! that is why Ephesians tells us that we are sited in heavenly places in Christ!! Salvation occurred in Christ and not outside of Him!! HE DID NOT DO SOMETHING FOR US, HE DID SOMETHING WITH US!!

HE did something for us. We had no part in it. He did for us what we could not do for ourselves
those who have not first been baptized into HIS DEATH having died with HIM FIRST and FOREMOST can not be raised a NEW CREATION in HIM