WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

[heavenly_bound]

By the way the reason you have an inheritance with CHRIST..... IN CHRIST Is because through faith in HIM you were transferred out of the kingdom of darknessINTO the the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS AON whom HE LOVES (because it was GOD who brought us into fellowship with HIS SON) and seated us in the heavenly realms in CHRIST JESUS

pls would you carefully analyze these statements that you made?"By the way the reason you have an inheritance with CHRIST..... IN CHRIST Is because through faith in HIM you were transferred out of the kingdom of darkness INTO the the KINGDOM of LIGHT"

Are you in any way saying here that the day i confessed Christ( had faith in him) was the day i was translated from darkness into the kingdom of light? if this is so, then FAITH becomes my savior here.; it is thus my faith in Him that saved me and not Christ Himself.
whether you believe this or not; prior to my Faith in Him, Christ had already saved me at the cross 2000 yrs ago. i can't understand how you don't see it! I repeat, it is not faith in Christ that produces the work of the cross! Faith in Christ produces the EFFECT of a work done 2000 yrs ago. i rest my case here!!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

pls would you carefully analyze these statements that you made?"By the way the reason you have an inheritance with CHRIST..... IN CHRIST Is because through faith in HIM you were transferred out of the kingdom of darkness INTO the the KINGDOM of LIGHT"

Are you in any way saying here that the day i confessed Christ( had faith in him) was the day i was translated from darkness into the kingdom of light? if this is so, then FAITH becomes my savior here.; it is thus my faith in Him that saved me and not Christ Himself.
whether you believe this or not; prior to my Faith in Him, Christ had already saved me at the cross 2000 yrs ago. i can't understand how you don't see it! I repeat, it is not faith in Christ that produces the work of the cross! Faith in Christ produces the EFFECT of a work done 2000 yrs ago. i rest my case here!!!

i forgot to mention that salvation is in stages; we were saved(the spirit) we are being saved(the mind) and we shall be saved (the body). just to clarify what i meant by " i was saved prior to my faith in Him!

 

[heavenly_bound]

After you heard the word of TRUTH and after you had BELIEVED!

you tell me,what is this word of truth that they heard and after which they believed if it wasn't the message about the work of the cross?

 

[miknik5]

so according to u, where is Adam and eve now since they didn't have the Right garments? in hell i presume?

Nope.

Where's the men of Nineveh?

 

[miknik5]

you tell me,what is this word of truth that they heard and after which they believed if it wasn't the message about the work of the cross?

Both. The work at the cross for them and the truth that HE was raised for our justification

please tell me the need for baptism?
are you telling me that all are baptized into Christ
even those who do not believe?

 

[miknik5]

pls would you carefully analyze these statements that you made?"By the way the reason you have an inheritance with CHRIST..... IN CHRIST Is because through faith in HIM you were transferred out of the kingdom of darkness INTO the the KINGDOM of LIGHT"

Are you in any way saying here that the day i confessed Christ( had faith in him) was the day i was translated from darkness into the kingdom of light? if this is so, then FAITH becomes my savior here.; it is thus my faith in Him that saved me and not Christ Himself.
whether you believe this or not; prior to my Faith in Him, Christ had already saved me at the cross 2000 yrs ago. i can't understand how you don't see it! I repeat, it is not faith in Christ that produces the work of the cross! Faith in Christ produces the EFFECT of a work done 2000 yrs ago. i rest my case here!!!

Why?

if those who don't believe and acknowledge HIM as Savior and Lord how are they doing the EFFECT of the cross?

 

[1ofthem]

Both. The work at the cross for them and the truth that HE was raised for our justification

please tell me the need for baptism?
are you telling me that all are baptized into Christ
even those who do not believe?

I agree with you here. Jesus died so that all could be saved. It is a free gift and we all have the opportunity to be saved because of his sacrifice, but not all are saved and not all will be saved. I think the scripture plainly tells us that we have to believe and accept him unto our hearts in order to receive the free gift of salvation.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[1ofthem]

There is something called gospel logic!!!

Yes, I'll agree...but there is also something called spiritual discernment. This Bible is not written in a way that all men will understand. It is spiritual and in order to get the full meaning of the scriptures one must look at it with a spiritual eye and not just a natural or fleshly eye.

 

[garee]

Both. The work at the cross for them and the truth that HE was raised for our justification

please tell me the need for baptism?
are you telling me that all are baptized into Christ
even those who do not believe?

Two kinds of baptisms. The baptism of the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God as that comes from the hearing of the faith of God according to the great commission to go out into the world in a hope of making disciples of Christ, who believe the gospel of Christ. . And the baptism of a believer useing water as a symbol indicating his personal desire to be member of the kingdom of priest sent out into the world to make disciples of men.

It is why Jesus from the tribe of Judah needed John from the tribe of Levi to perform that cerimoinal law that could never make the conscience perfect.Preparing Christ, as a priest so that then he could baptize his disciples so that they could go out in to the world as a kingdom of priests .

 

[friendinpeace]

Considering the second Adam nullified the meaning of what the first one did, I would say the one who consciously undid what the first did accidentally

 

[miknik5]

Considering the second Adam nullified the meaning of what the first one did, I would say the one who consciously undid what the first did accidentally

By coming to us in the flesh
that is the verdict isn't it?

 

[prove-all]

1 John 3:8 (KJV)

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

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Romans 1:4 (KJV)

And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness,

by the resurrection from the dead:​

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[miknik5]

Declared
And is

 

[heavenly_bound]

Why?

if those who don't believe and acknowledge HIM as Savior and Lord how are they doing the EFFECT of the cross?

off course not!!

 

[disciplemike]

You ever have one of those people, whom you think you like, and you are just waiting to hit the "like" button, but so far you don't agree with them?

 

[heavenly_bound]

Considering the second Adam nullified the meaning of what the first one did, I would say the one who consciously undid what the first did accidentally

Adams fall wasn't accidental; it was in Gods plan

 

[heavenly_bound]

Both. The work at the cross for them and the truth that HE was raised for our justification

please tell me the need for baptism?
are you telling me that all are baptized into Christ
even those who do not believe?

if i tell you the need of baptism you will just fall off your chair lol. you will know one day that the passage that speaks of "baptized into Christ", is not talking about water baptism!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

I agree with you here. Jesus died so that all could be saved. It is a free gift and we all have the opportunity to be saved because of his sacrifice, but not all are saved and not all will be saved. I think the scripture plainly tells us that we have to believe and accept him unto our hearts in order to receive the free gift of salvation.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

pls i never said all will be saved. there is a universal and a particular aspect of the gospel. Christ died for all and as all( universal) but each person must accept the gift of grace personally( particular). The sad thing here is that the church has reduced the universal aspect of the work of Christ to the particular aspect only; making it looks as if salvation depends on one's believing!

 

[1ofthem]

pls i never said all will be saved. there is a universal and a particular aspect of the gospel. Christ died for all and as all( universal) but each person must accept the gift of grace personally( particular). The sad thing here is that the church has reduced the universal aspect of the work of Christ to the particular aspect only; making it looks as if salvation depends on one's believing!

I'm not really sure as to your meaning of the statement that I put in bold. I think we both agree on the fact that Jesus died for all and that all may have a chance to be saved. I think that most people would agree with that, as well. However, the only thing that is going to matter to each individual person is their belief in Jesus and being washed in his blood and being born again of his Spirit. So the way I see it, salvation does depend upon one's believing in Jesus, repenting, accepting him into our lives, and being washed in his blood and born again of his Spirit.

 

[miknik5]

if i tell you the need of baptism you will just fall off your chair lol. you will know one day that the passage that speaks of "baptized into Christ", is not talking about water baptism!!

LOlL ...Yes I know.