Why Catholicism isn't Christianity...
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Z
I don't really have a problem with other Christian denominations. Sure, I may disagree with them in some areas, but we all believe that our salvation comes from Christ. In fact most of my friends are Catholics, and I get along with them fine.
What bothers me is when people start proclaiming that if you're not in the Catholic Church, you're not saved. That's ridiculous, and yet at the same time scares me. Did my God truly trust man to give salvation to us? No, only the perfect man, Jesus Christ.
People will then say "Well, who's the head of your church then? If you don't have the pope, then who do you have to keep your church infallible?"
Jesus Christ.
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
What bothers me is when people start proclaiming that if you're not in the Catholic Church, you're not saved. That's ridiculous, and yet at the same time scares me. Did my God truly trust man to give salvation to us? No, only the perfect man, Jesus Christ.
People will then say "Well, who's the head of your church then? If you don't have the pope, then who do you have to keep your church infallible?"
Jesus Christ.
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
We accept Protestant baptisms in the Trinitarian formulae as valid. If you're baptized in such manner, we consider you a part of the Catholic Church by virtue of said baptism. While we do wish you'd come further into the Church, we don't tell you that you're condemned to hell (unlike many have told us Catholics btw).
Z
Yes, we should talk more about Christ and less about what we disagree on. Amen.
Christ is the only Way, the only Truth, and the only Life, for no one can come to the Father except through Him, the only mediator between God and man, who is the head of the church of which he died for and fills in all, and the only Saviour of the church for which he died on the cross. Amen.
Grace and Love
Christ is the only Way, the only Truth, and the only Life, for no one can come to the Father except through Him, the only mediator between God and man, who is the head of the church of which he died for and fills in all, and the only Saviour of the church for which he died on the cross. Amen.
Grace and Love
Z
What I'm trying to say is, if you accept that our Lord is outside of time, then we have already received a new name.
But then again, maybe I do not understand the significance of the name change. I'm not perfect, and error in many things.
But, there is one who is always True, and that is Jesus Christ, the head of the body of believers.
Grace and Love
But then again, maybe I do not understand the significance of the name change. I'm not perfect, and error in many things.
But, there is one who is always True, and that is Jesus Christ, the head of the body of believers.
Grace and Love
H
I feel bad that people disagree so strongly with me because I am catholic. The LOrd reveals his will to people in different ways and will show them the way they must go depending on their own lives.
It is grace that any of us believe in Jesus so we should focus on Him rather than on fighting with people.
I have just had a long discussion with someone who thinks Catholics have it wrong,
But why focus on differences. For example I said we need to focus more on the Holy Spirit as a person rather than as a force/source of power and we should not focus just on the baptism of the Holy Spirit as if it is power. We should rather see the Holy Spirit as a person who reaches out to us to srengthen us and guide us and baptize us.
Can we not agree on that?
There is as much magic involved in the evangelical view of the Holy Spirit of power as there is in transubstantiation. i.e. none, no magic only grace in both cases.
I hope I am making sense to someone here on CC.
It is grace that any of us believe in Jesus so we should focus on Him rather than on fighting with people.
I have just had a long discussion with someone who thinks Catholics have it wrong,
But why focus on differences. For example I said we need to focus more on the Holy Spirit as a person rather than as a force/source of power and we should not focus just on the baptism of the Holy Spirit as if it is power. We should rather see the Holy Spirit as a person who reaches out to us to srengthen us and guide us and baptize us.
Can we not agree on that?
There is as much magic involved in the evangelical view of the Holy Spirit of power as there is in transubstantiation. i.e. none, no magic only grace in both cases.
I hope I am making sense to someone here on CC.
Z
You're making sense to me 
I may not agree with some of the doctrine in the Catholic Church, but I believe any Catholic who truly worships God and God alone and believes in Him is just as saved as a Baptist or Methodist or Lutheran or Messianic Jew who believes the same.
Grace and Love
(and yes, we need to focus on the Holy Spirit as someone who can be worshiped and worshiped with yet even grieved at the same time)
I may not agree with some of the doctrine in the Catholic Church, but I believe any Catholic who truly worships God and God alone and believes in Him is just as saved as a Baptist or Methodist or Lutheran or Messianic Jew who believes the same.
Grace and Love
(and yes, we need to focus on the Holy Spirit as someone who can be worshiped and worshiped with yet even grieved at the same time)
H
You're making sense to me
I may not agree with some of the doctrine in the Catholic Church, but I believe any Catholic who truly worships God and God alone and believes in Him is just as saved as a Baptist or Methodist or Lutheran or Messianic Jew who believes the same.
Grace and Love
(and yes, we need to focus on the Holy Spirit as someone who can be worshiped and worshiped with yet even grieved at the same time)
I may not agree with some of the doctrine in the Catholic Church, but I believe any Catholic who truly worships God and God alone and believes in Him is just as saved as a Baptist or Methodist or Lutheran or Messianic Jew who believes the same.
Grace and Love
(and yes, we need to focus on the Holy Spirit as someone who can be worshiped and worshiped with yet even grieved at the same time)
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From here: Peter and the Papacy
Whenever Our Lord changed a name in the past, it had great significance, why then would it not have similar connotations for Kephas/Peter?
Whenever Our Lord changed a name in the past, it had great significance, why then would it not have similar connotations for Kephas/Peter?
Z
I never said it didn't have great significance. I believe he was the "leader" of the apostles, and that their spreading of the Gospel, Christ through them (and the rock, Peter), led to an even greater spreading of the Gospel in later times.
And maybe I'm wrong on everything, and Christ actually meant "you, Simeon - your name now means Rock, which in turn means that you are now the leader of the whole future Catholic church, and the Holy Spirit will never let you say any infallible words --- you will deny me three times *ahem* --- but you are now the future and first pope.
Yes, that was probably a bit longwinded, but that's how it plays out in the mind of many, that Rock = first pope.
Say Peter was the "first pope." If he was, then it's quite strange that he didn't write anything about this in any of his letters, nor did anyone else write of him. From Acts we can see that he was probably the leader of the apostles, but even then we can see his shortcomings (remember when he started to leave the table when the Gentiles were coming?). If you compare the doctrines found in modern Roman Catholicism to the early letters of the founders of the churches, you will find vast differences between the two.
For instance, we find that, since Peter and Paul were Jews (just for examples), they still followed things such as the Sabbath and kept other Jewish customs (not saying it "added" to their salvation, of course). One teaching in the Torah by God was not to pray to the dead (Deut. 18:11). Yet, in the Catholic Church (and correct me if I'm wrong) there is praying to saints -- you would say that you're asking them to pray for you. That's inquiring of the dead (and yes, that is praying to the dead. Prayer can just mean talking), which is forbidden in the Torah.
I could go into more (for instance, why do we need Mary as a "mediatrix" or another mediator when Christ is our only mediator between us and God?), but I feel it would be stretching it too much.
Grace and Love
And maybe I'm wrong on everything, and Christ actually meant "you, Simeon - your name now means Rock, which in turn means that you are now the leader of the whole future Catholic church, and the Holy Spirit will never let you say any infallible words --- you will deny me three times *ahem* --- but you are now the future and first pope.
Yes, that was probably a bit longwinded, but that's how it plays out in the mind of many, that Rock = first pope.
Say Peter was the "first pope." If he was, then it's quite strange that he didn't write anything about this in any of his letters, nor did anyone else write of him. From Acts we can see that he was probably the leader of the apostles, but even then we can see his shortcomings (remember when he started to leave the table when the Gentiles were coming?). If you compare the doctrines found in modern Roman Catholicism to the early letters of the founders of the churches, you will find vast differences between the two.
For instance, we find that, since Peter and Paul were Jews (just for examples), they still followed things such as the Sabbath and kept other Jewish customs (not saying it "added" to their salvation, of course). One teaching in the Torah by God was not to pray to the dead (Deut. 18:11). Yet, in the Catholic Church (and correct me if I'm wrong) there is praying to saints -- you would say that you're asking them to pray for you. That's inquiring of the dead (and yes, that is praying to the dead. Prayer can just mean talking), which is forbidden in the Torah.
I could go into more (for instance, why do we need Mary as a "mediatrix" or another mediator when Christ is our only mediator between us and God?), but I feel it would be stretching it too much.
Grace and Love
K
"can of worms opened".
The Catholics will say that the "dead" are not really "dead" but alive in Heaven and that if you pray to THEM, just how much MORE will God listen to them, the "righteous" (because they're ALREADY in Heaven). Yet, Jesus taught us to pray TO God.
When it comes to Mary, research the promises "she" made ("wear my scapular", "pray my rosary"). Catholics will work their way around that, too. Then they'll focus too much time on Mary and how such a perfect Savior could not have come from an imperfect womb. Why not? Wouldn't God, therefore, get ALL the glory and not mankind?
There's other things that Catholics will skate around like forbidding to Mary while Peter, their first "pope" had a wife and about wether or not Jesus had siblings.
All of this takes away the focus from Jesus, Immanuel.