Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

[Quickfire]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

Jesus told us how to reconcile. It is possible in here to do that, if in fact reconciliation can be accomplished with the first step. To get witnesses to be involved in the next step in CC, is next to impossible, because I've tried that twice, and it failed. People don't want to be involved being scared that they may be seen as one that is choosing sides. The third step is out of the question in this site because it's not a church, per se. If the second step were to be accomplished and one of the parties still would not reconcile, I'm sure someone would be banned in the long run.

Matthew 18:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

lol do you ever feal like a parrot, back and fourth i know be patient even if it means repeating ya self be patient in that ,if ya want to be, sadly though when it comes to talking i have never bean a good repeater, lol maybe its because i speak in tounges or i just go off my head, just like now im wondering if people cam read this and not look for flaw as im just letting the words flow, and the word is when you in the word you are the word, but your word may be a diffrent set of words ,, for all i know you may be a peacful garden who plants seads of peace where ever you go, all though i doubt it as at the end of the day you are human,,, so sometime or another yur bound to get just fed up or bored, so then your word may not be verry edifing at that time, but hey your only human your bound to say something wrong, so with that said i am not going to look for fault that i know that i may one day may do myself,

but sadly just its another daft statement, the statement being your a christian and you can not behave like that, i mean really my answer is get over it, so what if someone has put you in your place grow up man searioulsy. (you know what im saying just. ??? this statement is not for you just me its what i feel about this thread, it like people think because people call them selve christians they think there better than everyone else, its sad mate,, why not just call yourself a child of god ?

 

[p_rehbein]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

John 11:35) Jesus wept.

 

[Quickfire]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

John 11:35) Jesus wept.

one more statement befor i go, jesus was human too, like the resty of us, remember god made us in his image

god wants you to be happy inside, how do ya like that statement like my post please

 

[Lindasue]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

Every believer needs encouragement from time to time. They need it from other believers but the Bible itself is full of verses that are very encouraging. Here are some of the most encouraging Bible verses I could find.[h=2]What is Encouragement?[/h]Actually, the word encourage means to receive courage. It is an act of giving someone support in hopes of boosting their courage. It can also mean to incite them to action, to serve as a way of supporting them, giving them confidence or inducing someone to endure hardships. That is exactly what the Bible does. Bible verses which encourage us do all of these things. Here are some great examples of encouraging Bible verses and I pray they encourage you.

[h=3]Second Chronicles 16:9 “For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward him. You have done foolishly in this, for from now on you will have wars.”[/h]​

This is a great verse to commit to memory. Picture the Lord scanning the earth. He is looking all around the earth with the intent of giving “strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward him.” Those who are blameless are not only those who have repented and trusted in Christ but they are those who confess their sins daily, keeping a short account with God. They do not go on sinning day after day without confession. The wording “strong support” is powerful indeed for the word strong is an adjective given by God Himself in the strongest sense possible in the Hebrew literature. Who wouldn’t want God’s strongest support?

[h=3]Zechariah 4:10a “For whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice, and shall see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.[/h]​

Many of the most faithful ministries in the world are some of the smallest. God loves to glorify Himself in using the smallest of churches because then the work that these smaller churches do must be from His hand alone and so He is more glorified. The mother who’s powerful ministry at home with her husband and children is unseen and unappreciated by the world but to God, this is no small thing. The world may think so but it’s what God thinks that is important, for what He thinks matters for all eternity. I believe that some of those who will receive the greatest rewards at the BEMA Judgment Seat of Christ will be mothers who quietly have poured their whole lives into their families. They receive little fanfare but I believe that their rewards will be enormous; even greater than some of the great mega churches and their pastors. Of that I am convinced. God tells us to not despise what is small in our eyes because to God they are not. Some of the smallest churches are faithful in small things; they preach biblical sermons, they visit the sick and imprisoned, they feed the poor and they take the gospel to the world. The size of the church’s membership or how full the parking lot is isn’t a reflection on how faithful a church is. Jesus will say “Well done thou good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master” (Matt 25:23). Jesus said that for some who are “faithful in a very little, you shall be in authority over ten cities” in the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 19:17).

 

[Quickfire]

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are beautiful a good sportsman, or sportsgirl encourages to, like when your team mate is not playing to well, you pat him on the back and shout come onnnnnnnnnn you can do it,

when the saints go marching in believe they will save for ye have not to speak, be silent now i hearya, theres no need to speak says the angel, of the the protecter of saints and the saints who protect along the angels, see but they do not speak they are there and you can find encouragement in that, "they hear your thoughts too its like a prayer, a prayer that is of good, and hope for thee to get better

peace be with you in the name of the farther the son the spirit

 

[just-me]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

Scriptures should never be twisted to fit a person's view, rather one's view should be changed according to what scriptures say.

When a person aligns themselves with a particular camp or theology it affects the way they view all scriptures. They put on a pair of spectacles and only see the scriptures based on their chosen view. A view influences a person to twist certain scriptures, which then leads to the manipulation of others until the bible becomes one big confusing mess, but the person viewing it with their chosen view still does not see how they have drifted far far away.

It was this site that exposed me to all of the major divisions among believers, especially theologies of men, and it's become more evident that theologies dramatically change the way a person views all the scriptures.

Sounds exactly like the problem Jesus had with the Pharisees. They had totally distorted the law given to Moses. They didn't really change the Word of God, from what I understand, they just added to it, and subtracted from it, and lost all sense of it's purpose and direction. I offer one statement that Jesus made to clarify my conclusion;
John 5:42-47 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Angela53510]

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I thought I always did!

It is very easy to copy and paste from Biblegateway.com. But context is vital, so sometimes just a verse or two won't do.

The other issue is translations. Which is something that some people argue a lot about. Not me so much.

So here is my bit of encouragement for the day.

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us." 1 John 4:7-12

PS. I always post my verses in red. I think the whole Bible is God's word to us, so I believe the whole Bible should be in red. I also know if I don't see red words in my posts, I am getting off track, and not using the Word of God as my most important source!

 

[2Tim3vs16]

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God's Holy Spirit is what leads the honest hearted ones to join together and they ARE examining the scriptures, coming to the same understandings, not being lead by opinions and independent interpretations of men. Doing their best by making themselves available to doing God's Will and NOT their own. JUST as Jesus did. The heart is treacherous (sound familiar?) That's why we must submit to keeping God's laws close to our hearts and filling our minds with his words/thoughts, instead of the faulty, bad thinking of the world's influential people and leaders.

Just because humans will twist God's Word, Does not mean that God's Word is twisted.

 

[Simona25]

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My beliefs are based on the Scripture and on the Saint Tradition(2 John 1, 12). I am an eastern orthodox christian; the fathers of our church say that the christian teachings were transmitted not only through letters but also orally. The christian orthodox church is the oldest church. In 1054 the Church had split into Catholic Church, or western church, on one hand and into Christian Orthodox Church (or eastern church) on the other hand. After this split, there was another split whithin the catholic church - here comes the protestants (Luther was the starter) and there comes another split whithin the protestants - the neoprotestants. The "sola scriptura" concept occured when the catholic church made abuse of its power and started to act more like a political entity than like a theological one. So, if I don't have any evident Scripture support for my opinions is maybe because they are from the Saint Tradition.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

My beliefs are based on the Scripture and on the Saint Tradition(2 John 1, 12). I am an eastern orthodox christian; the fathers of our church say that the christian teachings were transmitted not only through letters but also orally. The christian orthodox church is the oldest church. In 1054 the Church had split into Catholic Church, or western church, on one hand and into Christian Orthodox Church (or eastern church) on the other hand. After this split, there was another split whithin the catholic church - here comes the protestants (Luther was the starter) and there comes another split whithin the protestants - the neoprotestants. The "sola scriptura" concept occured when the catholic church made abuse of its power and started to act more like a political entity than like a theological one. So, if I don't have any evident Scripture support for my opinions is maybe because they are from the Saint Tradition.

Hi sister Simona25,

I have found the orthodox very interesting, thought about visiting a Greek orthodox in town, but I don't know anything, not even Greek. I found that they adhere to a teaching of keeping traditions from the early church. Does the orthodox still have the five folds ministry that the early church had mentioned in the bible? I know you guys have priests, but what about other administrations? Also I don't like arguing, but the protestant church didn't start just from Martin Luther. You also got Calvinism and Anglican (or Anabaptist) who also took part in the reformation. I'm very curious about eastern orthodox tho.

 

[Simona25]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

Hi sister Simona25,

I have found the orthodox very interesting, thought about visiting a Greek orthodox in town, but I don't know anything, not even Greek. I found that they adhere to a teaching of keeping traditions from the early church. Does the orthodox still have the five folds ministry that the early church had mentioned in the bible? I know you guys have priests, but what about other administrations? Also I don't like arguing, but the protestant church didn't start just from Martin Luther. You also got Calvinism and Anglican (or Anabaptist) who also took part in the reformation. I'm very curious about eastern orthodox tho.

The eastern orthodox church try to keep the truth as it was given from the real apostoles. If suddenly, some Joseph Smith would wake up and contradict the Scripture and the Saint Tradition, than yes, you can say that we no longer keep the five folds ministry. But, in a way, we actually try to keep it by not letting Joseph Smith contradict the original truth. In our credo, we say that our church is One, Universal and Apostolic Church. So, you could understand both: that we don't have the five folds ministry or, on the contrary, that we have it.

 

[Hizikyah]

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Wouldn't the simple application of the Bible scripture (2Tim 2:23, 3:16) be enough to resolve the cross talking and un-Christian behavior?

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; telling them what they want to hear. And they will turn away their ears
from the htruth, and will be turned to fables."

fable is = Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Perhaps from the same as G3453 (through the idea of tuition); a tale, that is, fiction ("myth"):—fable.

Storng's =
muthos: a speech, story, i.e. a fable
Original Word: μῦθος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: muthos
Phonetic Spelling: (moo'-thos)
Short Definition: an idle tale, fable
Definition: an idle tale, fable, fanciful story.

 

[Reformedjason]

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lol do you ever feal like a parrot, back and fourth i know be patient even if it means repeating ya self be patient in that ,if ya want to be, sadly though when it comes to talking i have never bean a good repeater, lol maybe its because i speak in tounges or i just go off my head, just like now im wondering if people cam read this and not look for flaw as im just letting the words flow, and the word is when you in the word you are the word, but your word may be a diffrent set of words ,, for all i know you may be a peacful garden who plants seads of peace where ever you go, all though i doubt it as at the end of the day you are human,,, so sometime or another yur bound to get just fed up or bored, so then your word may not be verry edifing at that time, but hey your only human your bound to say something wrong, so with that said i am not going to look for fault that i know that i may one day may do myself,

but sadly just its another daft statement, the statement being your a christian and you can not behave like that, i mean really my answer is get over it, so what if someone has put you in your place grow up man searioulsy. (you know what im saying just. ??? this statement is not for you just me its what i feel about this thread, it like people think because people call them selve christians they think there better than everyone else, its sad mate,, why not just call yourself a child of god ?

I read most of this jumble of nonsense but I must say , looney toon. Sorry but your post sounds crazy. You have some decent points but mostly just ramble about nothing.

 

[Praus]

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Wouldn't the simple application of the Bible scripture (2Tim 2:23, 3:16) be enough to resolve the cross talking and un-Christian behavior?

Simple application of Bible scripture--the enemy knows perfectly well how to do that --we need the Holy Spirit and scripture.

Matt 4:6-7 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

 

[nathan3]

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Wouldn't the simple application of the Bible scripture (2Tim 2:23, 3:16) be enough to resolve the cross talking and un-Christian behavior?

You would think that would be the case. I really wish people who consider the scriptures posted often. When I post them, they are mostly ignored. But when someone post their assumption or opinion without any scriptural support, people say """ oh yea I HEARD THAT before, that's what I believe""" ... -_- They've been hearing a lie, It's not written. But they wont put in the effort to study to find out what is actually written. To see what they been hearing, if it is the Truth or a lie ?

Even after the home work is done for them. Christians have a hard time alining to what the Bible says. Probably because they were taught wrong most of the time, so now a lie or half truth has become truth to them over the years.

Its hard for some one like that when they read the scriptures, if they read it, to change and aline to whats actually written after being brainwashed so many years. I see it here often, and poor ignorant fools are sucked in, and not even aware of it!

Even when it is posted, people have a hard time with simply reading. I'm not a English professor, but I know how to pick up on a subject and accept it when its shown to me ( with understanding )..

You know, its just really depressing really trying to have a conversation, with a fellow Christian, and they dont care really what the Bible says. Its sad.

 

[p_rehbein]

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What's important to remember is that everyone who comments (ok, maybe NOT everyone, just 99.9%) here believes that their understanding/interpretation of Scripture is the correct one. Thus, any who disagree are misled, having their ears tickled, lack understanding, whatever.............

Problem is; Christians are usually at different stages in their lives concerning their walk with Christ. This also means that they are at different levels of understanding, and this is most often the cause of differences in my opinion. Now, when this occurs, simple truth is - neither of those debating Scripture are wrong, they are simply debating their current level of understanding.

Surely we all understand that a new believer, just having given their lives to Christ, does not have the same understanding of Scripture as an Elder of the Church who has studied the Word for many, many years...........Every day, every study of Scripture causes us all to grow in Christ, and to grow in understanding.......

If more Christians would accept this difference and realize that those who disagree are just as God fearing, God loving as them, and that they are simply stating their level of understanding.......then possibly there would be more of a "spirit of fellowship" then there sometimes appears to be.

(my thoughts)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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My beliefs are based on the Scripture and on the Saint Tradition(2 John 1, 12). I am an eastern orthodox christian; the fathers of our church say that the christian teachings were transmitted not only through letters but also orally. The christian orthodox church is the oldest church.

Simona, I am curious as to which bible you use. I'm assuming a translation into your language of the Greek Septuagint?

 

[nathan3]

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(my thoughts)

I understand where your coming from, but no matter where a Christian is in their walk , we should at any level, be documenting what we say ( that gives at least some direction to these forums ) .

We have to try and talk in a orderly way from whats written. Otherwise its going to be confusion. People will simply say, well this or that is right, and some one looking in, will not know anything for certain, because nothing was documented from the Bible. And it could be that both parties are wrong. But how would anyone know unless the Bible was actually opened up and read.

 

[p_rehbein]

Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?

I understand where your coming from, but no matter where a Christian is in their walk , we should at any level, be documenting what we say ( that gives at least some direction to these forums ) .

We have to try and talk in a orderly way from whats written. Otherwise its going to be confusion. People will simply say, well this or that is right, and some one looking in, will not know anything for certain, because nothing was documented from the Bible. And it could be that both parties are wrong. But how would anyone know unless the Bible was actually opened up and read.

and I agree, however --- even when we do, there will be those who will not acknowledge the Scriptures provided.......

.......and sometimes, just sometimes, all Christians SHOULD be able to grasp a certain point from Scripture without having it quoted Chapter and verse...........just saying.......ie: John 3:16

(edited to add)

I find that most often, both parties aren't really wrong......just at different levels of understanding......which will appear "wrong" to those at a different level than the one posting...........What is right for one at that particular point in their walk with Christ, might not be right for another at a different point in their walk with Christ.......

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

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This is my point exactly! I do not believe in a trinity. Am I doomed forever because of it? Are you doomed? How can we be of rhe same mind and judgement?

It's important, because it means your Jesus isn't the Jesus of scripture, and hence, your faith isn't in the only one who can save you from your sin.

John 14:7 - 9 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?