Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
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Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
I was going to post about how much we recycle topics and how much scripture we have posted in the past and I read it and felt a little convicted to not to post it because it just showed that I have became a pharisee in a sense, and then I read jimmydiggs post after I posted mine And I deleted mine that second...
Fact of the matter is many here (myself included) have become lazy, and believe we don't need to back our opinions by scripture because we are in the word so much (if at all)....
I was going to post about how much we recycle topics and how much scripture we have posted in the past and I read it and felt a little convicted to not to post it because it just showed that I have became a pharisee in a sense, and then I read jimmydiggs post after I posted mine And I deleted mine that second...
Fact of the matter is many here (myself included) have become lazy, and believe we don't need to back our opinions by scripture because we are in the word so much (if at all)....
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
The problem is that Christians with varying beliefs DO INFACT USE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES.
Again, I can start a thread supporting the trinity COMPLETE WITH BIBLE VERSES to uphold this belief, and then do a 180 and post a thread disputing the trinity COMPLETE WITH BIBLE VERSES to make this argument stand.
The same can be done on any subject of the bible.
It is then the heart that determines ones path.
The problem is that Christians with varying beliefs DO INFACT USE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES.
Again, I can start a thread supporting the trinity COMPLETE WITH BIBLE VERSES to uphold this belief, and then do a 180 and post a thread disputing the trinity COMPLETE WITH BIBLE VERSES to make this argument stand.
The same can be done on any subject of the bible.
It is then the heart that determines ones path.
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
I'm sorry to say this, but I've seen the same attitudes in most churches I've explored. The same people I met at the Born Again and non-denominational and other churches are the same kind of people here and other sites.
That being the case, if you go to a typical church of Christendom how does anyone know the true Christians from the wanna-be's?
I'm sorry to say this, but I've seen the same attitudes in most churches I've explored. The same people I met at the Born Again and non-denominational and other churches are the same kind of people here and other sites.
That being the case, if you go to a typical church of Christendom how does anyone know the true Christians from the wanna-be's?
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
There is a problem with using scripture to support a position. We are to choose our position by the scriptures not the scriptures by our position. I can liken that to what D. L. Moody once observed saying that some men use scripture like drunks use a lamp post. Not to lighten their way but to prop them up.
False teacher abound and many heap to themselves such as will tell them what they want to hear.
Continue to demonstrate from the scriptures what you believe. Do not be discouraged if others find different meanings but seek the Holy Spirits guidance and grow.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is a problem with using scripture to support a position. We are to choose our position by the scriptures not the scriptures by our position. I can liken that to what D. L. Moody once observed saying that some men use scripture like drunks use a lamp post. Not to lighten their way but to prop them up.
False teacher abound and many heap to themselves such as will tell them what they want to hear.
Continue to demonstrate from the scriptures what you believe. Do not be discouraged if others find different meanings but seek the Holy Spirits guidance and grow.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
This is my point exactly! I do not believe in a trinity. Am I doomed forever because of it? Are you doomed? How can we be of rhe same mind and judgement?
If I were to follow through with this, I would say the same about your view, but is this important? At the end of the day I see you standing in victory. Do you see the same with me?
This is my point exactly! I do not believe in a trinity. Am I doomed forever because of it? Are you doomed? How can we be of rhe same mind and judgement?
If I were to follow through with this, I would say the same about your view, but is this important? At the end of the day I see you standing in victory. Do you see the same with me?
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
Depends...how do you believe in the Jesus of the bible if you cannot comprehend who Jesus is? Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? If we believe in a different God how can we have a common salvation?
Is God as God able to be Jesus and the Holy Spirit and Himself all at the same time? He is after all God and beside Him there is no other.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Depends...how do you believe in the Jesus of the bible if you cannot comprehend who Jesus is? Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? If we believe in a different God how can we have a common salvation?
Is God as God able to be Jesus and the Holy Spirit and Himself all at the same time? He is after all God and beside Him there is no other.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
There has been times (I'm guilty of) not using bible verses out of laziness. I was talking to someone here about praying to Mary is a form of idolatry, they told me I must back up that claim up. Me at the time didn't feel like posting verses at all, but quoting it in paraphrasing words or explaining. But usually the simplest things I don't feel I have to quote because if you're Christian its obvious. But I better get better at quoting directly from scripture.
There has been times (I'm guilty of) not using bible verses out of laziness. I was talking to someone here about praying to Mary is a form of idolatry, they told me I must back up that claim up. Me at the time didn't feel like posting verses at all, but quoting it in paraphrasing words or explaining. But usually the simplest things I don't feel I have to quote because if you're Christian its obvious. But I better get better at quoting directly from scripture.
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Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
Yes, i can agree with that and sometimes I feel like I'm speaking scripture if they don't know where it is they need to study to show themselves approved. So, much learning makes us mad. and then they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of Christ. All that is scripture by the way.
Yes, i can agree with that and sometimes I feel like I'm speaking scripture if they don't know where it is they need to study to show themselves approved. So, much learning makes us mad. and then they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of Christ. All that is scripture by the way.
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
Leviticus 9:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
This scripture is a good example of why simple scripture is posted and there are two different meanings that could possibly distort the entire meaning of a complete chapter or lesson to be learned. The question would be, were the people scared because God was displeased, or were they worshiping because God approved of their actions? The wrong answer would distort the entire meaning of what was really happening, instead of wanting to believe something else. I personally believe that God was displeased when a person continues to read on to the next chapter. If one reads the entire chapter of Leviticus 9, then you will see that the people were expecting God to show Himself. So which is it? With scripture, majority doesn't rule.
Leviticus 9:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
This scripture is a good example of why simple scripture is posted and there are two different meanings that could possibly distort the entire meaning of a complete chapter or lesson to be learned. The question would be, were the people scared because God was displeased, or were they worshiping because God approved of their actions? The wrong answer would distort the entire meaning of what was really happening, instead of wanting to believe something else. I personally believe that God was displeased when a person continues to read on to the next chapter. If one reads the entire chapter of Leviticus 9, then you will see that the people were expecting God to show Himself. So which is it? With scripture, majority doesn't rule.
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Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
In several posts I have posted nothing but scripture relating to the subject at hand, and then I got a "What's your point posting these scriptures?" insinuating I was trying to start an argument when it wasn't even my words.
In several posts I have posted nothing but scripture relating to the subject at hand, and then I got a "What's your point posting these scriptures?" insinuating I was trying to start an argument when it wasn't even my words.
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
Jesus told us how to reconcile. It is possible in here to do that, if in fact reconciliation can be accomplished with the first step. To get witnesses to be involved in the next step in CC, is next to impossible, because I've tried that twice, and it failed. People don't want to be involved being scared that they may be seen as one that is choosing sides. The third step is out of the question in this site because it's not a church, per se. If the second step were to be accomplished and one of the parties still would not reconcile, I'm sure someone would be banned in the long run.
Matthew 18:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jesus told us how to reconcile. It is possible in here to do that, if in fact reconciliation can be accomplished with the first step. To get witnesses to be involved in the next step in CC, is next to impossible, because I've tried that twice, and it failed. People don't want to be involved being scared that they may be seen as one that is choosing sides. The third step is out of the question in this site because it's not a church, per se. If the second step were to be accomplished and one of the parties still would not reconcile, I'm sure someone would be banned in the long run.
Matthew 18:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Re: Why don't the "Christians" here, use the scriptures to support their statements?
Scriptures should never be twisted to fit a person's view, rather one's view should be changed according to what scriptures say.
When a person aligns themselves with a particular camp or theology it affects the way they view all scriptures. They put on a pair of spectacles and only see the scriptures based on their chosen view. A view influences a person to twist certain scriptures, which then leads to the manipulation of others until the bible becomes one big confusing mess, but the person viewing it with their chosen view still does not see how they have drifted far far away.
It was this site that exposed me to all of the major divisions among believers, especially theologies of men, and it's become more evident that theologies dramatically change the way a person views all the scriptures.
Scriptures should never be twisted to fit a person's view, rather one's view should be changed according to what scriptures say.
When a person aligns themselves with a particular camp or theology it affects the way they view all scriptures. They put on a pair of spectacles and only see the scriptures based on their chosen view. A view influences a person to twist certain scriptures, which then leads to the manipulation of others until the bible becomes one big confusing mess, but the person viewing it with their chosen view still does not see how they have drifted far far away.
It was this site that exposed me to all of the major divisions among believers, especially theologies of men, and it's become more evident that theologies dramatically change the way a person views all the scriptures.
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