Why has the mainstream church become a powerless church?

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GaryA

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You can't go around laying claim to things in the Bible that are not talking about you... ;)
If you do, you just might find yourself in a situation somewhat similar to that described in Acts 19:15. :eek:
 

wolfwint

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am on my weird computer that doesn't work as well as my ipad.

If that link doesn't work...search for Frank Hanks Ministries.
I do not believe somebody who takes just verses out of context too proof his teachings. He might heal, but I doubt that Jesus is behind Him. In my eyes he is a false teacher! Where are the empty hospitals worldwide? I saw not in any news!
If you read the Bible you will find that healings and miracles where did in first line to show that Jesus is the son of God!!
All healed people died later, because of their weak ore sick body! If Jesus really wantet that people will be healed they would never again sick ore die! This he has for us in heaven, not on earth.
 
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What church are you talking about not having power? Is this a Christian church?

I think that your source of information is tainted because Christianity has so much power that a new religious doctrine has started in order to take that power for their own that would be extremist Islam.

They see the power that the Christian church has over the world and they want that power for themselves.
 

wolfwint

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My opinion is no power.
I would say the people live their selfish life and not obeying God. This is the main reason. Power is what we can not produce, but WHAT the Lord gives. We are planting and watering the plant, but the grow is God duty. And I want add Power has nothing to do with heal and miracles. It has,m to do with acting according Gods will. Healing and miracles we can find also in sources which came from Satan!
 
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Mainstream churches and churches period are powerless because they do not have the word of God. If they did then the number one growing religion wouldn't be atheism (if you count it as a religion, if not then Islam)
 

tanakh

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Symbols not words tell the story. RCC? It should've been abandoned not reformed. It's bathed in Babylon.
Questions Do you know any Catholics? Have you worked with any? Have you ever actually studied what they believe from literature written by a Catholic? Or is your reply a knee jerk reaction or the result of reading Hislops two Babylons
I am not a Catholic and I dont agree with everything they believe in, but then I dont agree with everything believed on CC either.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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There is only one God.

Not us and our agendas and legalism and pride.
 

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Lol well he wasn't always called Peter. Seems the name means something.
yes, try Joh 1v42....and a stone is not a 'rock.
There is only one Rock and He is not moved - though ignorant/ungodly people do their best to replace Him with a counterfeit from Rome.
 

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Questions Do you know any Catholics? Have you worked with any? Have you ever actually studied what they believe from literature written by a Catholic? Or is your reply a knee jerk reaction or the result of reading Hislops two Babylons
I am not a Catholic and I dont agree with everything they believe in, but then I dont agree with everything believed on CC either.
All people are a bit like that....not agreeing much with each other....a classic example of DISunity presenting a broken splintered religion !!!
 
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Revelation Chapter 2 and 3 Jesus himself tells us what to look for in a Church. Two out of seven not that good of odds. He's speaking of these Churches of today. As we know John was taken to the Lords day the 1,000 years day.
 

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Just exactly what do you think the 'power' is that the Bible says we should have?

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It is the 'power of the Holy Spirit to first convert the person in whom He dwells' before we can show sinners the way. Too many Christians think they can convert others before being changed themselves. Afraid we must all start at the bottom - not very popular.
 
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I have nothing more to add..lol
But, am sure this isn't all?
If you want the true answer to the question is you believed both G7 and Sirk.

The power of the Kingdom of Heaven is love expressed in righteousness.

As soon as this becomes judgementalism or a numbers game it is all lost.
And this is the picture painted by two cynics, and you bought it.

The gospel has always been about real need of love and how we express it from
an open heart.

When wealth and security were not so guaranteed, people saw through this world
and wanted to know Christ giving them true security in Him.

But now these realities are being replaced by entertainment, distraction and a cushy
life, why should anyone care? There are no real sins or issues to resolve out there,
the church is the same as the world, just the self righteous hyprocrites are denying
this.

The sad thing is people are believing this and living it.

This happened to Israel and Jeremiah prophesied against the nation.
 

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Yes it means to diminish. But you're gonna tell me it means stone.
pretty much the same meaning...a stone is a much lesser/diminished rock.
 

John146

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Mainstream churches and churches period are powerless because they do not have the word of God. If they did then the number one growing religion wouldn't be atheism (if you count it as a religion, if not then Islam)
I agree, and preachers have abandoned doctrine for messages that itch people's ears making them feel satisfied and accepted no matter what lifestyle they are living. Sin is not preached against but come as you are. The church of America is seeking to be like the world in all aspects of it's assembly trying to attract the world it's services. That's not biblical. Believers are to go out into the world and preach the gospel, save the lost, and then invite them to church to be fed and grow on the word of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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thats the point. To get the mindless to latch onto thier cause by appealing to emotion and then counting on the mindless to make the "right" choice based on that emotion. Classic brainwashing and pretty easy to do really when you control the medium with which the message is delivered. Never has there been a time In history where it is achievable with such substantial numbers of the mindless. And in every walk of life.
sounds like socialism, and the media is involved as it spreads its propoganda.. And people take it as gospel truth. Only difference is, our media is not state run (at least not yet)
 

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I agree, and preachers have abandoned doctrine for messages that itch people's ears making them feel satisfied and accepted no matter what lifestyle they are living. Sin is not preached against but come as you are. The church of America is seeking to be like the world in all aspects of it's assembly trying to attract the world it's services. That's not biblical. Believers are to go out into the world and preach the gospel, save the lost, and then invite them to church to be fed and grow on the word of God.
If preachers and churches are not doing the right thing why would we invite others into it ? Should not the inside of the cup be washed first - then the outside will be clean too ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus said said he would build His church on a profession of faith by each individual.
I agree,

We see by the NT the church was splintered back then. Even the 7 churches of revelation were not on the same page. The only reason the roman church was united as the only church for years is because it was run by the state, and anyone who did not follow it would be punished severely, up to and including death.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ha! I'm impressed you got that! Lol. Anyway....yes I know what it means. It still doesn't change the fact that Jesus was referring to Peter's profession of faith in the previous sentence.
The greek shows what is said.

And Jesus said, Your name is Peter (petros = a small rock, or a stone) and on this rock (Petra = boulder, ledge, bedrock (as apposed to smaller pieces of rock or petros) I will build my church. and the Gates of hell will not prevail over it.

to interpret.

Peter. YOU are this small stone, and on that bedrock (peters profession that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God ) I will build my church. and the gates of hell (A gate is a barrier, meant to keep the enemy out, and only allow in our allies) will not prevail, in other words, you will go into the world. and you will win souls for me and build my church.

As someone said earlier, History shows Christianity had a massive affect on the world.
 
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Peter, the rock, the apostles had a profound effect on the world because Jesus changed
their hearts so they walked in love and righteousness.

It is this change, from people who participated in orgies, sexual immorality, murder, theft,
and every other vice into people who lived clean lives and abounded in love and care, was
a light in a dark room.

This has always been the witness of the Holy Spirit in a believers heart.
When this goes out, the church disappears.
 

valiant

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Simply because it lacks the living presence of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit.