Why was Cain's Offering Rejected?

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eternally-gratefull

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His heart wasn't in it. His offering was a superficial one. But I believe it goes deeper then that. The illustration given, the offering that was accepted was one of blood, which points to Christ and that there is no remission of sins without a blood sacrifice. Why? I guess God wanted to demonstrate His love by dieing for us.

Hebrews 9:22
His heart wasn't in it. His offering was a superficial one. But I believe it goes deeper then that. The illustration given, the offering that was accepted was one of blood, which points to Christ and that there is no remission of sins without a blood sacrifice.
True,

I am sure Saul thought he was doing Gods work when he was out killing the christians, As I am sure Cain was sincere in his offering, that is why he was so upset when God rejected it.


It is not sincerity which matters,, what matters is there is only one way to God, and thats god's way not ours.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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it has nothing to do with cain not offering a blood sacrifice...throughout the old testament nonbloody sacrifices were accepted for various purposes...

the problem was that cain was not acting in faith...righteousness has always been by faith only...even here at the beginning...
 

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Your probly right Abiding....but I still think its bit dodgy to give God something from what He just cursed. Cant imagine wat was going on in Cains heart with that one
Did God only curse the ground so that the effect would be that man had work it with sweat and toil? Not that the ground in it's self was sinful.

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
 

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Although i do respect the typology in the text and you have brought it out very well
And every bit of it is true and the gospel is truly learned in all the depths of the passage.

Above all that tho abel also had alot of work tending to his flock.
And the main issue is then twofold for us to learn.

but cain would NOT have been right sacrificing abels sheep.
he was to sacrifice his fruits so the problem was not in what he sacrificed but how he did it which was not in faith,
Cain could have traded some veggies for a sheep...But ultimately I think you are right, its a heart issue, with typology woven into it.
 

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True,

I am sure Saul thought he was doing Gods work when he was out killing the christians, As I am sure Cain was sincere in his offering, that is why he was so upset when God rejected it.


It is not sincerity which matters,, what matters is there is only one way to God, and thats god's way not ours.
I would argue that both matters. Some may recognized that Jesus existed, die and rose again, but they continue to live a life of carnality leading up to their death with no true repentance. I'm sure you are aware of the HEART related passages through-out scripture.

Romans 10:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

I've love to paste a dozen more...but it's not necessary.
 
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Abiding

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I do see you alls point. And will amen the riches of Gods word.
But to answer the Op i must say

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.[SUP]3 [/SUP]In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord.

They both gave what they had and what was required.
The reason it says "in the course of time" is the seasonal part of a harvest. the firstfruits and the
last harvest. I think you get more out of it hen you see the story and then see the deeper meaning

Cains problem was not in giving of the fruits of the ground. Isreal had offerings fron the fruits
of the ground that also typified redemption.

We are given no info that cain was to trade grain and offer a lamb. But we are told of their different careers.
 
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Abiding

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See actually Israel had an important offering the Golden sheave offering that had implications
of a spiritual harvest from a seed so dont miss out on what cains offering represented. Very profoundly important.
That why i like where it says "in the process of time" which implies the right time of the harvest.

 

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See actually Israel had an important offering the Golden sheave offering that had implications
of a spiritual harvest from a seed so dont miss out on what cains offering represented. Very profoundly important.
That why i like where it says "in the process of time" which implies the right time of the harvest.

I think the grain offerings could be made several different ways. In which this could represent our relationship, our giving back or involvement or better yet, interaction, with God.

"(5) The Grain Offering was distinct from the Burnt Offering in that the Grain Offering allowed and even encouraged man’s contribution to the offering. The Burnt Offering allowed men to participate in the ceremony of the sacrifice, but not to add anything to the sacrifice. This can easily be understood in the light of the purpose of atonement and attaining divine favor. For sinful man to attempt to contribute to an atoning sacrifice would only defile that sacrifice. The Israelite could add nothing to that sacrifice which atoned for his sins, just as we can contribute nothing to the work of Christ, which atones for our sins.

The purpose of the Grain Offering is not atonement, but worship, acknowledgment of God’s divine provision of the needs of the Israelite for life itself. The Grain Offering praised God for His abundant supply of the “daily bread” of the Israelite. But while men do not contribute to their redemption, they do participate in the growing of the crops by which God sustains their life. Thus, the human element is present in the Grain Offering in a way that it is not in the Burnt Offering.


For example, the kind of grain that can be offered to God seems to be a matter of choice (although perhaps this was simply decided on the basis of what was available). The grain could be offered to God cooked or uncooked, and if cooked in a variety of ways. Verses 1-3 of Leviticus 2 prescribe the offering of uncooked grain, while verses 4-10 regulate the offering of that grain which is cooked in an oven (v. 4),[SUP]41[/SUP] on a griddle (v. 5),[SUP]42[/SUP] or in a pan (v. 7).[SUP]43[/SUP] All of these options suggest freedom as to what form the offering can take, within the parameters God has set. Put in today’s terms, the offering could be that of flour, mixed with oil, of bread, of pancakes, of sweet rolls, or of donuts." Bob Deffinbaugh, Leviticus: Sacrifice and Sanctification
 
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I was just thinking about this today. Heb.11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. This made me think what was the hope behind Abel's faithful offering. There is not much scripture to work with given its so early in the story of creation without relying on speculation.But one thing that came to mind was that after the eating of the tree whose fruit was forbidden, and the consequences determined by God that the ground was cursed for Adams sake and with work and sweat he would eat of it and it would bring up thorns and briers. God did something very kindly and loving.... Gen. 3:21..Unto Adam also to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. A lot can be taken from this. I wonder why Abel got the idea to keep sheep. I think this might have some bearing on it. Did Abel see Gods kindness and mercy even in Gods judgement? Was he raising sheep so he could cloth others? Could he, by faith see the unseen, that God would cloth us (in Christ)and that life had to be taken for the survival of others?Was Abel thinking of others in his occupation rather than just his stomach and own needs. Heb. 12:24..And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Of course Abel's own blood was also shed at the hand of a sinner. I think i will stop here, you get the point I think.
 
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Look guys Cain offered the works of his hand. That is to say of the flesh. He tilled the ground. Planted the seed. watered it. Then harvested it. Abel offered that which was created by God and required no cultivation by man.

God will not accept works of the flesh but, only works of the Spirit. Such is the Cross.
 
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nathan3

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Because Cain did not give his best to God.

And Cain was Not, of Adams seed. But a tare . Just Like Christ taught :

Matthew 13:


36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. etc.


John 8:44

King James Version (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it..

Revelation 3:9



9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


So, these are good scriptures.
 
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God knows the heart. Able had faith in his heart, Cain's heart was capable of stooping to murder.
 
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God gave the answer why so many vesions thereof? The answer is in the next verses....
Cain was really upset that his offering was not respected, but HOW did he know his offering was not respected.... Did GOD tell him? What happens when God does not respect an offering, or WHY does God not respect an offering.... LOOK at what God says in the next verses.

Here is the answer.... And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Is this not easy to understand and believe? God says THOU SHALT RULE OVER HIM...... IF THOU DOES WELL, thou shall be accepted.... CAIN DID NOT DO WELL, that is why he was REJECTED...

Cain did not do well and because he did not, SIN LIETH at the door and SIN'S desire was unto Cain... AND HE DID NOT RULE OVER IT, and He stood up and killed his brother.... Do you see how God WARNED Cain NOT to kill his brother?
 
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weakness

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God did tell him he had no respect to his offering , that's why his countenance fell. It says his offering was rejected. And God did not say "if thou do est well thou shalt bear rule over him(SIN)!It was not sins desire that ruled over Cain ,But Cains desire that ruled over Abel,and thou shall rule over him (Able). Else it would read "Unto thee shall be sins desire, and though shalt rule over sin", Which makes absolutely no s
ense!And why do you skip around with verses and incorrectly interpret them? I don't think you should try and teach something you obviously don't understand. Maybe you should study to be quit. and quick to hear and slow to speak!
God gave the answer why so many vesions thereof? The answer is in the next verses....
Cain was really upset that his offering was not respected, but HOW did he know his offering was not respected.... Did GOD tell him? What happens when God does not respect an offering, or WHY does God not respect an offering.... LOOK at what God says in the next verses.

Here is the answer.... And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Is this not easy to understand and believe? God says THOU SHALT RULE OVER HIM...... IF THOU DOES WELL, thou shall be accepted.... CAIN DID NOT DO WELL, that is why he was REJECTED...

Cain did not do well and because he did not, SIN LIETH at the door and SIN'S desire was unto Cain... AND HE DID NOT RULE OVER IT, and He stood up and killed his brother.... Do you see how God WARNED Cain NOT to kill his brother?
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Universal_Man

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I heard once because he prayed false? I am not sure about it so i do not believe it and trust it (Jeremiah 17:5). How can we even know that 1 christian is from the other seed?
 
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psychomom

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Your probly right Abiding....but I still think its bit dodgy to give God something from what He just cursed. Cant imagine wat was going on in Cains heart with that one
pride? :)
 
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It's simple.
Hebrews 9:[SUP]22 [/SUP]- "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
The first sin was covered (bodily) by animal skins. God had to kill them(the animals).
The ultimate propitiation was a human who lived a perfect life and died an obedient death. - (Not an eggplant)
 
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Cain was born from the union of Adam and Eve

[h=3]Genesis 4[/h]4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.”



I've always wondered why Cain's sacrifice was rejected. I'm not sure why Cain's was not respected but I know why Abel's was accepted.

It is because Abel is listed as one of the prophets and he was looking TO Jesus and His sacrifice upon the cross.

I guess Cain didn't understand WHY he was sacrificing. He like many wanted to please God through his own works and not trust in the finished work and the promise of Christ foreshadowed in Genesis 3...

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

[h=3]Hebrews 11[/h]


11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.

1 John 3

[h=3][/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, [SUP]12 [/SUP]not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.


Jude 1
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
The able scriptures reveal that Cain's works were evil, without faith and his heart did not understand spiritual things or the significance of Abel's offering. Instead of learning how to do good, he became jealous and allowed envy to consume him.

what I wonder is why did God place a mark on Cain so he would be avenged if killed?
 
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I think so, if you see what Earl wrote too, he had to work hard to get this where as a sheep is just "there". Maybe he thought he did BETTER than Abel cos of all his hard work with getting rid of the weeds, sewing seeds, toiling the ground. Maybe he felt his "works" deserve recognition?