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Evil manipulative? lol really. Now you can't make a statement about praying for someone? lol I'm sure the lord would be like huh?, but then again there are people who get offended by things said that wasn't intended to be taken that way. I've told people in debates, muslims for example who reject the truth that i'll pray for them it was never intended to be manipulative I actually do pray to the lord for them.
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we totally 'dis-agree' with this statement - quite the contrary, those who are in God's will and are
serving Him only have His Love in their hearts and know where His boundaries are....
yes, sirk, it is 'sometimes', a worldly 'one-ups-man-ship', but, for the 'pure in heart', their prayers
'are sincere'...discerning this is a beautiful gift...there is perfunctory and there 'real'...
we pray that all hearts may be open to know the difference...
we totally 'dis-agree' with this statement - quite the contrary, those who are in God's will and are
serving Him only have His Love in their hearts and know where His boundaries are....
yes, sirk, it is 'sometimes', a worldly 'one-ups-man-ship', but, for the 'pure in heart', their prayers
'are sincere'...discerning this is a beautiful gift...there is perfunctory and there 'real'...
we pray that all hearts may be open to know the difference...
If you pray for someone to see things your way? How is that even mature and healthy in human terms? Why do you need to tell someone that you will pray for them if they're not asking for it? What is your motivation for stating it? Is it a healthy way to communicate with another human being? Hey honey, I know your mad at me...I'll pray for you. Lol.
Maybe if you said you'll pray for yourself.
Maybe if you said you'll pray for yourself.
I pray for people because I don't want them to end up in Hell as God desires for no one to perish. God said to pray for our enemies, our enemies don't ask for our prayers. Are you questioning what the lord said in the scriptures? My motivation? I understand how important each soul is to God & if I can do my best to guide them to him & bring God joy that's all that matters. I'll pray for you to sirk cause i know you are also valuable to God.
Hi respectfully,
One of the things I've learned here is that it's not wrong to disagree. There can be some great discussions about certain topics and the discussions have helped me to see some things more clearly. One of those things are the very thing you're disagreeing with.
When I first came in here I was brutally beat up with some very unkind words and some pretty harsh judgments as well. I at first wanted to use the revolving door at sprint speed. But the Lord helped me to stick around, lick my wounds and forgive.
And then about 3 months later someone mentioned that arguing wasn't wrong and explained why. It made me think of a scripture so I looked it up.
1 Corinthians 11:18,19
For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.
So the disagreeing isn't wrong. But what is wrong is the name calling, jabbing at one another, belittling, the condemnation and etc. And then I realized that the ones who do this may either be young immature believers, or maybe they aren't believers at all. All the more in my response, I need to be Christ-like and be loving and gentle as Paul told Timothy.
2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
So in here we'll find those who are only trying to cause trouble. You'll find those who aren't saved. You'll find baby Christians and you'll find Christians at different stages of maturity.
The warning I'd like to give us all is this: Matthew 18:1-6 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
We need to help one another and not hinder them from entering into the Kingdom of God. If someone has an essential wrong, we need lead them, help them see the truth and then pray for them if they don't see it *and not tell them we'll pray for them* as an arrogant statement. We may be the one that's wrong.
If it's a nonessential, let's discuss it in a brotherly manner........in love. If it's an obvious unbeliever, let's preach the good news to them and love them into the kingdom.
So anyway 1 John 4:7-11 is a great verse to live by.
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
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I can understand both sides of the "i will pray for you" argument. In the manner in which "sirk" is thinking, i think "sirk" is correct. They think they are correct so you praying for them doesnt mean much. If you are announcing that you are praying you can also be seen as "holier than thou" thus having a negative impact upon your argument. I think it better to not announce it and just pray silently to God. There is also the possability that you are actually the one who is wrong.
I think it better to silently pray "Lord if i am correct on this then give me the words to say. If i am incorrect teach me the truth. Not my words but your truth be said". In humility we can learn so much more.
But this is also just my thinking upon this discussion.
I think it better to silently pray "Lord if i am correct on this then give me the words to say. If i am incorrect teach me the truth. Not my words but your truth be said". In humility we can learn so much more.
But this is also just my thinking upon this discussion.
You can do the same in response since it is a war of principality and only God can minister to those that oppose themselves that they may come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Brethren, pray for us.
Ephesians 6:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
So you can respond to those that say they will pray for you by saying that you will pray for them as well in Christ's love.
Scripturally, God have a problem with those who bless others when those they are blessing are in this specific apostasy.
2 John 1:[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Errant believers that are in the apostasy that involves receiving the Holy Ghost apart from their salvation, thus denying Him as in them at their salvation, are speaking of Jesus Christ not presently in their flesh which is our body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That is what it means that those that DO NOT testify that Jesus Christ IS COME in the flesh, meaning He is NOT in them presently but rather testifying presently that the Spirit of Christ is outside of them or in a place of worship or any other place.
Those who abide in Him will not say that so that they can say always that they abide in the Father & the Son.
At any rate, those who are not in that apostasy should not say God speed to them nor receive into your house.
Makes me wonder why I am still here in this forum when this forum welcomes them in. So I am praying if I should be here at all.
Those in apostasy are our brothers & sisters, but we are commanded to admonish them by withdrawing from having company with them as 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15
So maybe I should start praying about that, asking Him if this applies to me coming here any more or not. Am I not welcoming the forum into my computer and having those who have that errant doctrine into my home?
I know the Lord certainly warned them enough, and so it may be time for me to leave.
Anyway... it is a spiritual warfare and the battle is His, so we need not get mad, but pray for those that oppose themselves, and it should be obvious that the truth will win out no matter what, when we all stand before Christ Jesus in truth. So let us have confidence that Jesus will finish His work in us and others, even those unrepentant believers that gets left behind.
1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Brethren, pray for us.
Ephesians 6:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
So you can respond to those that say they will pray for you by saying that you will pray for them as well in Christ's love.
Scripturally, God have a problem with those who bless others when those they are blessing are in this specific apostasy.
2 John 1:[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Errant believers that are in the apostasy that involves receiving the Holy Ghost apart from their salvation, thus denying Him as in them at their salvation, are speaking of Jesus Christ not presently in their flesh which is our body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That is what it means that those that DO NOT testify that Jesus Christ IS COME in the flesh, meaning He is NOT in them presently but rather testifying presently that the Spirit of Christ is outside of them or in a place of worship or any other place.
Those who abide in Him will not say that so that they can say always that they abide in the Father & the Son.
At any rate, those who are not in that apostasy should not say God speed to them nor receive into your house.
Makes me wonder why I am still here in this forum when this forum welcomes them in. So I am praying if I should be here at all.
Those in apostasy are our brothers & sisters, but we are commanded to admonish them by withdrawing from having company with them as 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15
So maybe I should start praying about that, asking Him if this applies to me coming here any more or not. Am I not welcoming the forum into my computer and having those who have that errant doctrine into my home?
I know the Lord certainly warned them enough, and so it may be time for me to leave.
Anyway... it is a spiritual warfare and the battle is His, so we need not get mad, but pray for those that oppose themselves, and it should be obvious that the truth will win out no matter what, when we all stand before Christ Jesus in truth. So let us have confidence that Jesus will finish His work in us and others, even those unrepentant believers that gets left behind.